Finishing the Roster

[az jam]

Source: Bills are signing former Browns WR Elijah Moore to a one-year deal worth up to $5 million.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Source: Bills are signing former Browns WR Elijah Moore to a one-year deal worth up to $5 million.

Would much rather have Moore than Zay Jones, who remains the most mystifying signing of the FA period.

 

[BullheadCardFan]

Would much rather have Moore than Zay Jones, who remains the most mystifying signing of the FA period.

It's an enigma for sure

 

[Krangodnzr]

I don't disagree with the above. My stance is that, with Fro providing good play in the middle, we don't want two players that aren't as good as he is surrounding him. That will leave our C with too much help needed to both sides and weaken our IOL, to Kyler's and the team's detriment. Evan Brown on one side? Fine. Adams on the other? Well, if he hasn't improved significantly--and I do mean significantly--over the offseason, the IOL will struggle. And that doesn't even address lack of depth at the position.

Where I differ is that I don't think the Cardinals should have thrown much more than a serviceable veteran at the RG position. They used a 2024 3rd round pick on RG and that guy needs to play.

 

[BACH]

Biggest issue with Adams is he was a 24 year old rookie. They really need to coach him up because Seattles defensive line destroyed him and dude is not getting much stronger...so the technique needs to improve

I keep seeing the age argument. What is the problem with that exactly?

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I keep seeing the age argument. What is the problem with that exactly?

I think it’s that his body doesn’t have much more maturing to do, so unless he just never maxed out its capabilities there’s not much physical upside to expect.

 

[Harry]

I think Ossenfort made a significant error by not securing Moore at WR. One main injury and this group will be extremely week. Next year’s draft is not deep in good & fast WRs either.

 

[BirdGangThing]

I think Ossenfort made a significant error by not securing Moore at WR. One main injury and this group will be extremely week. Next year’s draft is not deep in good & fast WRs either.

why did they re-sign zae jones so damn early

 

[oaken1]

I keep seeing the age argument. What is the problem with that exactly?

due to human physiology the male reaches full physical maturity at approximately 25 years old. its give or take a year but basically after 25 a guy will not get much stronger or faster.
This is why if the production is even close you are better off drafting underclassmen. Because a 21 year old is going to show higher natural gains over the first few years of his career than a 23 year old will....and a 21 year old that produces as well as a 23 year old has a higher probability of becoming an above average player

 

[Zeem_Freeze]

Elijah Moore is 5'10 and 180 pounds.... He is not what this offense wants. The receivers HAVE TO BLOCK.

To start at receiver in this offense you have to be 6'1+ and 200+ pounds. That is why Dortch doesn't get much run even though he is the obvious solution for a speedster to take the top off the defense.

Our staff is consistent with actions and words about the types of players they want at each position. I'm not confused at all by them passing on Moore.... That being said, we still do need a speedster to take the top off. Not many 6'1+ and 200+ pound guys that can do that.

 

[kerouac9]

I think Ossenfort made a significant error by not securing Moore at WR. One main injury and this group will be extremely week. Next year’s draft is not deep in good & fast WRs either.

Let's not get crazy. Petzing worked with Moore in the past, knows who he is. For two straight seasons we've passed on him at an extremely reasonable price. At a time when part-time slot WRs were getting $10 mil a year, Moore got half that.

Tyler Boyd, D.J. Chark, Keenan Allen, and Amari Cooper are all dudes out there who could be brought in as training camp approaches if they want to keep playing.

 

[BACH]

due to human physiology the male reaches full physical maturity at approximately 25 years old. its give or take a year but basically after 25 a guy will not get much stronger or faster.
This is why if the production is even close you are better off drafting underclassmen. Because a 21 year old is going to show higher natural gains over the first few years of his career than a 23 year old will....and a 21 year old that produces as well as a 23 year old has a higher probability of becoming an above average player

Yeah, but it’s older when you want to build muscle mass. It’s late 20’s because you build from 25 and forward

 

[oaken1]

Yeah, but it’s older when you want to build muscle mass. It’s late 20’s because you build from 25 and forward

...you misunderstand. with enough work a man can get stronger at any age.

But the purely natural increase in strength stops around 25.
one assumes most guys in the NFL draft have maximized their physical potential in college...but their potential will increase to age 25

This however may not be the case if a kid went to a smaller school with lesser staff and facilities, he may not be maximized...in which case he could show greater increases once he has access to pro trainers and facilities.

 

[Harry]

why did they re-sign zae jones so damn early

Jones will likely be better than last year. I wii be surprised if he’s better than Moore. Of Murray’s been throwing to him for a year. Considering Murray’s problem of adjusting to new receivers it might be a “devil you know” thing.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Jones will likely be better than last year.

It would be hard to be worse!

 

[BirdGangThing]

It would be hard to be worse!

im hoping harry's right - im hoping zay's mind and body are right - we signed him early af but the contract is performance based af - he better have something to prove this year or the camera goes on fade

 

[Gandhi]

Petzing worked with Moore in the past, knows who he is.

No, he did not.

 

[Garthshort]

Gandhi, you could have said, "You couldn't be Moore wrong".

 

[oaken1]

It would be hard to be worse!

Nah, I could be worse than Zay Jones was last year...easy!

 

[Krangodnzr]

I think it’s that his body doesn’t have much more maturing to do, so unless he just never maxed out its capabilities there’s not much physical upside to expect.

I think, as we've seen with the NBA, it's an overblown argument. Men continue physically developed into their late 20s. It's not like he's a 32 year old rookie.

I do care about WRs and RBs being older especially if they played a lot college snaps.

 

[football karma]

Tyler Boyd, D.J. Chark, Keenan Allen, and Amari Cooper are all dudes out there who could be brought in as training camp approaches if they want to keep playing.

DJ Chark is interesting -- a big, down the field guy. He did have a 1,000 yard season in 2019 but then its been pretty meh since then --

 

[BACH]

...you misunderstand. with enough work a man can get stronger at any age.

But the purely natural increase in strength stops around 25.
one assumes most guys in the NFL draft have maximized their physical potential in college...but their potential will increase to age 25

This however may not be the case if a kid went to a smaller school with lesser staff and facilities, he may not be maximized...in which case he could show greater increases once he has access to pro trainers and facilities.

Yeah, but building strength has nothing to do with that 25 age.

25 years old means that muscles are optimized at that age. You can continue that optimized state for 10-12 years. Most powerlifters peak around 30.

I get the point, but I see it as a 0 issue

 

[oaken1]

Yeah, but building strength has nothing to do with that 25 age.

25 years old means that muscles are optimized at that age. You can continue that optimized state for 10-12 years. Most powerlifters peak around 30.

I get the point, but I see it as a 0 issue

riiiight,...and those guys would be OVER 25 .....yes?

 

[BACH]

riiiight,...and those guys would be OVER 25 .....yes?

Which guys?

 

[BACH]

DJ Chark is interesting -- a big, down the field guy. He did have a 1,000 yard season in 2019 but then its been pretty meh since then --

But we already have 3 of those