ESPN.com 2003 Overview

[gnomepete]

Originally posted by kerouac9
1 - I'm saying, that this can't be argued with, that Blake and Plummer are two very different TYPES of QBs.

2 - Blake is a safe QB, who will either put the ball where only the WR can catch it or toss it out of bounds.

3 - He's not going to win a game for you, but he's not going to lose it, either.

4 - Plummer is a riskier QB who tries to make plays.

5 - Favre, Elway, Montana, Young, Vick.

1. AGREED!

2. Agreed and COOL!

3. DISAGREE. Add (as has been said) stretching the defense, helping the running game and then hitting a bomb or few and he WILL win some games for you.

4. Agreed.

5. All but Montana had MUCH better arms than Jake and Joe was MUCH, MUCH smarter than Jake. Jake is missing at least one key plus that these guys have, so he's not in their league.

Pete

 

[kerouac9]

Originally posted by gnomepete
1. How OLD is that quote? And how old was Blake when he said it? If memory serves, he was much younger and in Cincy.

2. If not an All-Pro, he WAS a Pro-Bowler.

3. A caretaker INFERS that the guy can't win games for you, but a QB that can throw a good bomb WILL win games for you.

4. I just think he's a DIFFERENT type of competitor now. When he was younger, I think he had a "personal" chip on his shoulder. I think he's grown up enough to have it translate into something good for the team. I HOPE so anyway. Come th eseason, we'll all know.

5. Jeff George? COME ON! He was SO AFRAID to get hit that he has ZERO relevance to a discussion of Blake.

Pete

Then I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on this. If you think that Blake, based on seven games at the end of the season in B-More, is an upper-echleon NFL QB with an NFL competitor's fire in the belly and the ability to take a team on his shoulders and singlehandedly win a game, that's your right. I disagree, and use as proof that he signed with the Cards, who are further away from championship contention than the length of his contract, for an equivalent amount to what he might have made in B-more, who should contend for their division in 2003.

George has one of the best pure arms that the NFL has ever seen. That's indisputable.

 

[Sandan]

Originally posted by kerouac9
What I'm saying is that the article was correct in stating that we lost our two best offensive weapons in the offseason.

I agree with you, sort of, as well.

It's just that when you say "were" our two best offensive weapons, you are speaking of 2001. Last year they were both a disaster.

In his first interview on KDUS RG said that they had planned to resign both Jake and DB during the season last year but their play sucked so bad that the Cardinals decided to wait.

He didn't actually say "sucked", he was far more polite but the meaning was the same. I think he said something like "Their play was not up tho the level we were hoping for".

Last year they were non-existant, except I'm sure Jake will never forgive DB for trashing his DB rating with all the drops.

Last year our best offensive weapons were Shipp, Anderson (for 1 game), ......, wait a minute I'm thinking ....

....
....

Mcaddley
Freddie (When Jake remembered he was on the field)
Justin Lucus (oops he is D)

Point being was that overall we had no "best" offensive weapons last year. DB should have been but either due to choice, injuries, lack of real ability or Coke he wasn't.

 

[BuckeyeCardinal]

What

"the ability to take a team on his shoulders and singlehandedly win a game, that's your right."

WHO THE HELL EVER SAID THAT!!!

We're just saying Blakes better than Plummer and you're saying he's not.

 

[JeffGollin]

George has one of the best pure arms that the NFL has ever seen.
All Pro from the neck down.

 

[kerouac9]

Re: What

Originally posted by BuckeyeCardinal
"the ability to take a team on his shoulders and singlehandedly win a game, that's your right."

WHO THE HELL EVER SAID THAT!!!

We're just saying Blakes better than Plummer and you're saying he's not.

What are you talking about? I said, three posts ago, that Blake is better for this team that Jake was. Pete seemed to be trying to say that Blake was a game-breaker, and I disagree. I don't have a quarrel with you about "physical abilities." I think that Jake has better intangibles, and that's the point that I'm trying to make, and that's what I mean with I said that I think that Jake is a sexier, more exciting QB that Jeff is.

Yes, Blake's ablility to throw the deep ball and use the play action will help you win a game over 4 quarters, but I would rather have the ball in Jake's hand if it's the 4th quarter and you're down by 10. That's the point I'm trying to make.

Nidan: If I have a QB rating of 7, you have one of 4, and Buckeye has one of 2, I'm still the "Best QB Weapon" on the depth chart. Was Jake in 2002 a better weapon than McCown? I'd say yes. Was Boston a better weapon than McAddley, Sanders, Mar Tay, and anyone else? Yes. Just because they weren't the best in comparison to the rest of the league doesn't mean they weren't the best weapon on THIS TEAM. That's what I'm trying to say.

 

[gnomepete]

Originally posted by kerouac9
If you think that Blake, based on seven games at the end of the season in B-More, is an upper-echleon NFL QB with an NFL competitor's fire in the belly and the ability to take a team on his shoulders and singlehandedly win a game, that's your right.

I disagree, and use as proof that he signed with the Cards, who are further away from championship contention than the length of his contract, for an equivalent amount to what he might have made in B-more, who should contend for their division in 2003.

George has one of the best pure arms that the NFL has ever seen. That's indisputable.

You're putting A LOT of words in my mouth. I didn't post them.

I base Blake on his career - 3 teams: Cincy, NO, and Ravens.

Never said he was upper-echelon. I think "underrated" is closer.

Single-handedly? No, but I think he can contribute things more than a Dilfer-type.

I tend to believe his recent quotes that he has been written of (at least partly) because of his race, height, etc.

NOT arguing about George's arm. Just saying his lack of heart puts Blake FAR ahead of him and takes him out of any comparison with almost anyone.

Pete

 

[kerouac9]

Originally posted by gnomepete
NOT arguing about George's arm. Just saying his lack of heart puts Blake FAR ahead of him and takes him out of any comparison with almost anyone.

Pete

I guess. I haven't seen a whole lot of "heart" from Blake over his career. Looks like he kind of laid over and died in at least two cities, and look out for himself, especially leaving B-more when they said they wanted him back, but he wanted to be #1 and left. He laid down and died in New Orleans, and didn't seem to want to compete against Redman in B-More.

We'll see how Blake deals with adversity in AZ this year. Again, my expectations are low, but if he's completing 40% of his passes to WRs halfway through the season, he's going to be saying something to the Republic. He had something to say when he was completing little to wideouts in minicamp. You don't think he'll be a little outspoken about guys "not stepping up" once the games start to count?

 

[Goldfield]

Originally posted by ajcardfan
Sesame Street music:

"One of these things is not like the others, one of these things doesn't belong....."

OMFG, I was like, YOU DID NOT JUST PUT PLUMMER IN THE SAME SENTANCE WITH THOSE GUYS!


But you cleared it up for me thx!

 

[gnomepete]

Originally posted by kerouac9
I guess. I haven't seen a whole lot of "heart" from Blake over his career. Looks like he kind of laid over and died in at least two cities, and look out for himself, especially leaving B-more when they said they wanted him back, but he wanted to be #1 and left. He laid down and died in New Orleans, and didn't seem to want to compete against Redman in B-More.

We'll see how Blake deals with adversity in AZ this year. Again, my expectations are low, but if he's completing 40% of his passes to WRs halfway through the season, he's going to be saying something to the Republic. He had something to say when he was completing little to wideouts in minicamp. You don't think he'll be a little outspoken about guys "not stepping up" once the games start to count?

I don't think he died in NO. He was injured, they found a younger guy and so he got demoted by injury. I don't think they gave him the chance to compete again. I tend to think he wanted to have a REAL chance to be "the man" and had been burned before. Are you SURE the Ravens were going to pay him what the Cards did?

I'm HOPING he will be the "right" amount of outspoken while being "sensitive" enough to know how and when to speak up. Guarantees? Nope.

Pete

 

[ajcardfan]

Originally posted by kerouac9
That's indisputable.

That's not true for anything, especially football. Even Newton's laws were shown to be flawed, under certain circumstances, by Einstein.

 

[Goldfield]

Originally posted by kerouac9
Looks like he kind of laid over and died in at least two cities, and look out for himself, especially leaving B-more when they said they wanted him back, but he wanted to be #1 and left. He laid down and died in New Orleans, and didn't seem to want to compete against Redman in B-More.

OMG, thats about as retarted a statment as you can make...

Probowl in Cincy... He played great till he broke his leg in NO's, and he saved the season in Baltimore. They wanted him back but WE offered more money!

Low expectation? Thats more like making up stories that sound good to you...

 

[kerouac9]

Originally posted by BEERZ
OMG, thats about as retarted a statment as you can make...

Probowl in Cincy... He played great till he broke his leg in NO's, and he saved the season in Baltimore. They wanted him back but WE offered more money!

Low expectation? Thats more like making up stories that sound good to you...

No, I'm saying that when he faced some adversity, being pressured by Brooks in New Orleans, negotiations with B-More, he took his ball and left. I never heard anything about Blake wanting to compete for his starting job as a Saint, and I heard that Blake got his feelings hurt in B-More, so he started shopping himself. He started off the off-season saying he wanted to remain a Raven. Bledsoe didn't act that way in New England when he got benched for a younger player with a hot hand. He basically demanded a trade.

If you think that Blake is a player with competitive fire and a will to win, more power to you. I'm just saying that I haven't seen it. Yet.