Dont sign Marcus Robinson right now!

[LVCARDFREAK]

I am not sure where the Cards stand with signing Marcus Robinson right now, but they should not try to sign him if they want any trade down leverage in the draft.

Picture this scenario: The Jets have made no bones about the fact they would like to grab a WR in this draft and they like A. Johnson a lot. Johnson could be (depending on what Houston does) there at #6. However, the Jets wont try to trade up at #6 if they know the Cards have just signed Robinson-The Jets know that the Cards wont be interested in a WR this early if they have just signed one.

I know this is a little far-fetched considering Johnson probably wont make it past Houston, but if he does this could give the Cards lots of leverage to be able to trade down for the Jets #1 and say a second-third rounder.

 

[Shane]

Sorry BRO but I dont want to go into the draft waiting for what ifs. We need to offer this guy a contract and get him in here in any way possible.

He is a talented WR and if we let him walk we are foolish!

 

[LVCARDFREAK]

I am with you on the fact that this team needs a WR almost desperatly, but the possibilites having Johnson there at #6 and the Jets chomping at the bit to trade up is very enticing. Of course in true Cardinals fashion if they were to do this, Johnson would be gone, the Cardinals would draft ANOTHER DT, and Robinson, feeling used, would sign with someone else

 

[RedStorm]

Do you think we can talk to M.R. agent and let him know we will sign him after the 1st rd. I mean have all the papers drawn up and agreed to just waiting for the ink?

Is that possible or is that violating some rule somewhere?

 

[Jetstream Green]

No to that train of thought

What about the way the Cardinals feel right now! We need a #1 veteran WR and if healthy then Robinson is exactly IT!!! Sign him NOW, not tomorrow and the Cardinals will feel better going into the draft and to hell with what the Jets and their wacked out draft booing fans think. SIGN MARCUS ROBINSON P L E A S E!!!

 

[Dback Jon]

Sign Robinson - don't take a chance he will sign elsewhere.

Hopefully, the Cards have no intention of drafting a WR at 6 anyway

 

[Tangodnzr]

Bad, Bad, idea!

Why start jerking Robinson around? That's about the last thing the Cards need to do right now, whether they sign him or not.

As has been pointed out he would be a nice addition, fitting team needs and you don't gamble that away for increased number of college draftees or possibly piss him off playing games with him.
You either want him or don't.

I don't agree that the Cards are necessarily desperate. But having a decent veteran WR would be a big boost to this club.
That's what the team is short of.

 

[AZCB34]

Originally posted by Tangodnzr
Bad, Bad, idea!

Why start jerking Robinson around? That's about the last thing the Cards need to do right now, whether they sign him or not.

As has been pointed out he would be a nice addition, fitting team needs and you don't gamble that away for increased number of college draftees or possibly piss him off playing games with him.
You either want him or don't.

I don't agree that the Cards are necessarily desperate. But having a decent veteran WR would be a big boost to this club.
That's what the team is short of.

I agree. There is already seemingly a stigma attached to the Cards in the eyes of FA players. Playing silly little games like this will only continue to reinforce the bumbling nature of the teams front office but will also turn off future FAs who have heard all the stories about this team...true or not.

If they want him, make him an offer. The assumption everyone is making is he will sign today. Sorry, but the Cards don't operate like that...Graves himself mentioned about a 24-48 hr period to assess the player before they make an offer. And you can bet Robinson isn't going to sign the very first offer that hits the table from the Cards. There will be negotiating...unless the Cards completely astound him with cash.

He may not be signed by Saturday...not because the Cards don;t want him but simply due to the timing of all this.

 

[JeffGollin]

I am not sure where the Cards stand with signing Marcus Robinson right now, but they should not try to sign him if they want any trade down leverage in the draft.
Ironically, a team doesn't gain or maintain trade "leverage" because IT wants a particular player. It has more to do with whether a another team between them and a team wanting to trade up wants that player.

To illustrate - If the Cards were targeting Andre Johnson and a team lower down wanted to trade up to land Andre Johnson, they wouldn't look to trade with the Cardinals (because why would the Cards want to trade out of their hole since they already are getting the player they want?)

The lower down team would try to leapfrog the Cardinals and cut a deal with Dallas or Chicago.

In fact, by signing Robinson (assuming he's healthy), the Cards increase their over all draft leverage, because they no longer need to be forced to use any other of their picks on a tall wideout.

 

[Tangodnzr]

I think this whole Robinson thing is going to be very interesting to watch.

He has gone public saying he would like to be signed before the draft and that the Cards are his top priority.
So the ball appears to be in the Cards court.

Going on what little precedent has been established so far this season....and given that the Cards do want him.....
I would expect them to make a nice offer right away. They have a good "ballpark" idea of what he should pull on the market.
The clock is starting to tick a little faster now, options are diminishing by the day.
I'm going to pull an Ed and say, again given they want him, that he will be signed by the end of the week.
Actually if I were the Cards, my first preference would be to get him officially signed Friday afternoon. Delay any announcement until Saturday morning, thus keeping everyone else that much more in the dark of exactly what they are planning to do.

They wouldn't have to necessarily lie to anyone Friday, just everyone say: "Things are going well and we hope to have a couple of minor points cleared up within the next 24 hours or so."
Meanwhile Robinson's happy....he knows what going down, and its in black and white.
Or they just do it and get it done the next day or two and be done with it......
or......
or maybe the pre -draft heebie jeebies is getting to me too.

 

[LVCARDFREAK]

Originally posted by JeffGollin
I am not sure where the Cards stand with signing Marcus Robinson right now, but they should not try to sign him if they want any trade down leverage in the draft.
Ironically, a team doesn't gain or maintain trade "leverage" because IT wants a particular player. It has more to do with whether a another team between them and a team wanting to trade up wants that player.

To illustrate - If the Cards were targeting Andre Johnson and a team lower down wanted to trade up to land Andre Johnson, they wouldn't look to trade with the Cardinals (because why would the Cards want to trade out of their hole since they already are getting the player they want?)

The lower down team would try to leapfrog the Cardinals and cut a deal with Dallas or Chicago.

In fact, by signing Robinson (assuming he's healthy), the Cards increase their over all draft leverage, because they no longer need to be forced to use any other of their picks on a tall wideout.

True-Teams do want to leapfrog the team they think is going to draft the player they want, but if Johnson is there (which i am sure Houston will grab him anyway so its a moot point-yet an intriguing topic) and the Jets REALLY want him they may be willing to part with additional picks.

Houston already offered the Jets their #3 and a 5th rounder for the Jets #13 and Lamont Jordan and the Jets declined stating they wanted to keep Jordan. (before Houston signed Mack) They obviously did not have to part with both first rounders to move up to #3 but my question is, what would they be willing to give up for a solid wr (although I dont belive Johnson is that guy) knowing the Cardinals are there about to jump on him??

It is a highly unlikely scenario with AZ, but it could very well be a possible scenario with Dallas if Houston somehow passes on Johnson. (And with Detroit trying to get additional draft picks by trying to trade Shaun Rodgers away, them taking a WR with the #2 pick is no longer a lock either)

Lots of scenarios, but if AZ, for some reason doesnt sign Robinson prior to the draft it could certainly open a lot of possibilities for teasm wanting to trade into their spot.

 

[Reddog]

Frankly I don't think signing Robinson precludes us from needing or appearing to need a Bluechip WR at #6. We should lock Robinson up and if some of the scenarios stated above happen and a team is willing to leap frog us for the WR then we have a better chance to nab one of the other players that a Dallas or Chicago would have if they stayed at 4 & 5. It also opens up the possibility of another team who thought a player would be selected at 4 or 5 is still available at 6 and they trade up.

 

[Goldfield]

The thought about Signing him changeing our "leverage" is dorky!


This team could EASILY use 2 top WR's...


Dont even think about screwing around with this guy, SIGN him up today!

 

[LVCARDFREAK]

They could use two WR's but not signing him has nothing to with getting another wr. I doubt the Cards would take one until rnd 2-3 anyway.

 

[Goldfield]

I dont want them to get another WR in the first round either, but I do want them to get an solid guy in here via Free agency...