Dbacks farm system rating

[gimpy]

I just read the article over on Arizona Sports.com about the Dbacks farm system. It's a shame what the former GM did to it (at least according to the article).

http://arizonasports.com/story/996780/espn-insider-d-backs-have-the-worst-farm-system-in-baseball/

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[overseascardfan]

Quite honestly the trend of gutting the farm didn't start with Stewart even though he was a very crappy GM who should have never gotten the job but Byrnes & Towers also didn't see the value of developing the farm. If they get a overwhelming package offer for Goldy or Pollock they really need deal them.

 

[BC867]

Quite honestly the trend of gutting the farm didn't start with Stewart even though he was a very crappy GM who should have never gotten the job but Byrnes & Towers also didn't see the value of developing the farm. If they get a overwhelming package offer for Goldy or Pollock they really need deal them.

Pollock, perhaps but Goldy, no. Every team needs a heart and soul and on the Diamondbacks that's Paul Goldschmidt.

I personally think that his apparently reaching his peak at the plate reflects eye problems. He himself said that he hasn't been seeing the ball as well. I hope he has checked it out.

And I hope that our new GM can fill the greatest need in our batting order. A bopper at the cleanup spot to give Goldy protection, versus the lightweights who have tried to no avail.

 

[overseascardfan]

Pollock, perhaps but Goldy, no. Every team needs a heart and soul and on the Diamondbacks that's Paul Goldschmidt.

I personally think that his apparently reaching his peak at the plate reflects eye problems. He himself said that he hasn't been seeing the ball as well. I hope he has checked it out.

And I hope that our new GM can fill the greatest need in our batting order. A bopper at the cleanup spot to give Goldy protection, versus the lightweights who have tried to no avail.

I get what your saying BC, but Goldy has / is /will be toiling on a team that will be bad for quite a while. Chances are he will be gone before ARZ gets this turned around if ever, so why not help out all parties by trading him to a better team and make our team better long term by rebuilding the farm with the haul he would bring in. Plus his long term future is in jeopardy unless ARZ can unload Greinke's deal and that is impossible unless they are willing to include a huge chunk of cash which ARZ is unwilling to do. ARZ will really have to have phenomenal drafts the next 2 or 3 years, meaning 2 or 3 guys a year that fast track to the majors (mainly SP's & relievers) and make an immediate impact if ARZ is going to turn it around before Goldy starts to decline or is looking for a way out of ARZ.

 

[PDXChris]

I get what your saying BC, but Goldy has / is /will be toiling on a team that will be bad for quite a while. Chances are he will be gone before ARZ gets this turned around if ever, so why not help out all parties by trading him to a better team and make our team better long term by rebuilding the farm with the haul he would bring in. Plus his long term future is in jeopardy unless ARZ can unload Greinke's deal and that is impossible unless they are willing to include a huge chunk of cash which ARZ is unwilling to do. ARZ will really have to have phenomenal drafts the next 2 or 3 years, meaning 2 or 3 guys a year that fast track to the majors (mainly SP's & relievers) and make an immediate impact if ARZ is going to turn it around before Goldy starts to decline or is looking for a way out of ARZ.

Agreed! Look at how the Cubs traded all tradable players to rebuild their system. Their entire starting infield next year were either drafted or acquired while in the minors and could be one of the best infields ever. Heck, 7 of their primary starting 8 next year could be the same with Zorbrist being the only one not.

Tear it down and rebuild!

 

[DWKB]

People don't come to the ballpark to see Goldy play, they come to see the team win.

 

[BC867]

I get your points. I guess I'm a combination of nostalgic and afraid that the Front Office will ever make the right moves as long as Ken Kendrick is holding the purse strings.

Ironically, same with the Suns as long as Robert Sarver owns the team. And the Cardinals have not followed a steady path to relevance as long as a Bidwill (Senior or Junior) has been at the top.

Phoenix has gone from a 1-team town to a 4 Major League sports city to a stagnant, unskilled 4 Major League sports city.

The worst part is that if Kendrick and Sarver sell the D-backs and Suns, there is a chance that either or both teams would relocate.

 

[WildBB]

And I hope that our new GM can fill the greatest need in our batting order. A bopper at the cleanup spot to give Goldy protection, versus the lightweights who have tried to no avail.

They tried with Trumbo but he failed miserably. He finally found some success again last season. Lamb might be the guy. But they def. need another righty RBI guy.

 

[Matt L]

They tried with Trumbo but he failed miserably. He finally found some success again last season. Lamb might be the guy. But they def. need another righty RBI guy.

Why not lefty?

 

[overseascardfan]

Why not lefty?

To balance out the lineup. To me I could care less if its a lefty or righty as long as they can drive in runs consistently, that is the most important thing.

 

[Matt L]

To balance out the lineup. To me I could care less if its a lefty or righty as long as they can drive in runs consistently, that is the most important thing.

Who else bats lefty besides Peralta and Lamb?

I would much rather see Tomas moved and get a better outfield defender.

 

[overseascardfan]

Who else bats lefty besides Peralta and Lamb?

I would much rather see Tomas moved and get a better outfield defender.

I don't know, I figured we were a left hand dominant batting lineup thus the need for a right handed bat. But I thought I read Hazen is looking for another right handed bat.

 

[Dback Jon]

Who else bats lefty besides Peralta and Lamb?

I would much rather see Tomas moved and get a better outfield defender.

I'd rather keep Tomas and his 30/100

 

[Matt L]

I'd rather keep Tomas and his 30/100

I don't hate Tomas and if we were an AL team he would have a perfect spot in the lineup as a DH. However, the Chase Field outfield is so large and he is so bad in the outfield that his strengths at the bat do not outweigh his deficiencies on defense and it really hurts the team.

I doubt he gets moved before the season but maybe an AL team will be desperate for some power at the trade deadline and be willing to give up a prospect (or just take on his ridiculous contract). This is probably a pipe dream as there are free agents who hit 30 homeruns last year who are currently available and nobody is giving them a lot of money.

 

[Dback Jon]

There were a number of 30/100 FA signed in the off-season. All of them will be making more money than Tomas, some double or more.

Only two players that hit 30 or more HR last year are still FA - Chris Carter, and 35 YO Mike Napoli

 

[DWKB]

There were a number of 30/100 FA signed in the off-season. All of them will be making more money than Tomas, some double or more.

Only two players that hit 30 or more HR last year are still FA - Chris Carter, and 35 YO Mike Napoli

Who are all these 30/100 FAs?

 

[Dback Jon]

Who are all these 30/100 FAs?

Yes, several are much better players than Tomas (at least now)
Edwin Encarncion
Cespedes
Trumbo
Kendrick Morales

A couple more than slip my mind.

 

[DWKB]

Yes, several are much better players than Tomas (at least now)
Edwin Encarncion
Cespedes
Trumbo
Kendrick Morales

A couple more than slip my mind.

It's not an issue so much that they are better players than Tomas, it's that outside of Cespedes, they are DHs, where Tomas should be playing as well.

 

[gimpy]

What kind of defensive statistics do you have for him, good or bad?

 

[DWKB]

What kind of defensive statistics do you have for him, good or bad?

Very poor 2016. Worse than Jose Bautista and Mark Trumbo numbers for RF.

 

[BC867]

I don't know, I figured we were a left hand dominant batting lineup thus the need for a right handed bat. But I thought I read Hazen is looking for another right handed bat.

I like Peralta's line drive bat (if he can stay healthy) and Lamb put up some good numbers last season (though inconsistent). But neither at cleanup is strong enough to get Goldy pitched to. We need a bopper. Who hits from the same side as Goldy. And, unlike a lefty batting against a lefty, righties are accustomed to hitting primarily vs. righties.

Until Lamb put up the good numbers, the D-backs were completely a right hand dominant batting lineup. That's where their power came from. But, thus far, none powerful enough to protect Goldy.

Actually, I would like to see Goldy batting cleanup permanently, especially as his career progresses. I posted that even before they gave a brief try there last season. It would be interesting to see stats showing how often a #3 hitter comes up with runners on base (and in scoring position) vs. a #4 hitter. And how many times a #4 hitter leads off an inning vs. a #3 hitter.

 

[DWKB]

I like Peralta's line drive bat (if he can stay healthy) and Lamb put up some good numbers last season (though inconsistent). But neither at cleanup is strong enough to get Goldy pitched to. We need a bopper. Who hits from the same side as Goldy. And, unlike a lefty batting against a lefty, righties are accustomed to hitting primarily vs. righties.

Until Lamb put up the good numbers, the D-backs were completely a right hand dominant batting lineup. That's where their power came from. But, thus far, none powerful enough to protect Goldy.

Actually, I would like to see Goldy batting cleanup permanently, especially as his career progresses. I posted that even before they gave a brief try there last season. It would be interesting to see stats showing how often a #3 hitter comes up with runners on base (and in scoring position) vs. a #4 hitter. And how many times a #4 hitter leads off an inning vs. a #3 hitter.

This team is in much more need than simply "Goldy protection" and even if it weren't, where would you find the money?

If anything, Goldy should be moved up to #2 and not down to #3, why would you take our supposed best hitter and give him less PAs over the course of the year? That's crazy IMO.

 

[BC867]

If anything, Goldy should be moved up to #2 and not down to #3, why would you take our supposed best hitter and give him less PAs over the course of the year? That's crazy IMO.

Move Goldy to #2, with the Shortstop, Catcher and Pitcher four, three and two spots ahead of him? With Ahmed's .221 lifetime batting average and all three of our Catchers very weak hitters? Do you really mean that?

Goldy's value is as a line drive RBI hitter. Which is why I proposed moving him to cleanup. As the name cleanup implies, he'd be following the 1-2-3 hitters vs. your 7-8-9-1 suggestion. I am more concerned with quality plate appearances than quantity of appearances. If you think that point of view is "crazy"(???), so be it.

 

[DWKB]

Move Goldy to #2, with the Shortstop, Catcher and Pitcher four, three and two spots ahead of him? With Ahmed's .221 lifetime batting average and all three of our Catchers very weak hitters? Do you really mean that?

Goldy's value is as a line drive RBI hitter. Which is why I proposed moving him to cleanup. As the name cleanup implies, he'd be following the 1-2-3 hitters vs. your 7-8-9-1 suggestion. I am more concerned with quality plate appearances than quantity of appearances. If you think that point of view is "crazy"(???), so be it.

Who do you envision hitting 1-2-3 in the DBacks lineup?

The #2 hitter got 751 TPA for the DBacks last year, #3 got 734 and #4 got 721. So we are talking 30 more TPA over the year you're taking away from our best hitter

Goldschmidt had the highest % of TPA with 2 outs and no men vs total TPA on than any other DBack at over 20% (1 out of 5 TPA) yet he only had the 4th most % of TPA with men on base vs total TPA. Obviously his talent wasn't fully utilized in last years lineup at #3.

The ideal lineup should have a high OBP, speed, low power hitting 1st, your best hitter hitting 2nd, an avg hitting bopper hitting 3rd, your second best hitter hitting 4th, and your third best hitting 5th, your best SB threat left hitting 6th, you should hit your pitcher 8th and put your best OBP hitter left 9th. The 7th spot is a default at this point.

 

[Matt L]

Who do you envision hitting 1-2-3 in the DBacks lineup?

The #2 hitter got 751 TPA for the DBacks last year, #3 got 734 and #4 got 721. So we are talking 30 more TPA over the year you're taking away from our best hitter

Goldschmidt had the highest % of TPA with 2 outs and no men vs total TPA on than any other DBack at over 20% (1 out of 5 TPA) yet he only had the 4th most % of TPA with men on base vs total TPA. Obviously his talent wasn't fully utilized in last years lineup at #3.

The ideal lineup should have a high OBP, speed, low power hitting 1st, your best hitter hitting 2nd, an avg hitting bopper hitting 3rd, your second best hitter hitting 4th, and your third best hitting 5th, your best SB threat left hitting 6th, you should hit your pitcher 8th and put your best OBP hitter left 9th. The 7th spot is a default at this point.

So you're thinking the lineup could be

1. Pollock
2. Goldshmidt
3. Tomas
4. Lamb
5. Peralta
6. Marte
7. Iannetta (Catcher)
8. Pitcher
9. Dury/Owings (2B)