Crazy Draft Idea

[dreamcastrocks]

Man, I remember thinking they fleeced Houston.

If you only had foresight...

 

[Carolinacacti]

A good offensive line makes mediocre skill players look much better.

Good skilled players make a bad OL look good

 

[Mulli]

If you only had foresight...

Only Stout has that

 

[Stout]

Yeah I don't see us winning a ton next year so it's not a bad idea @Stout

Having extra bullets in the gun next year for any trades I think is wise.

True, but this would be all or nothing for me. I don't want a trade down just to trade down, like Monti getting an extra 2026 for moving down five slots or anything.

 

[Stout]

It's quite weird, especially considering our stances on the Anderson trade. The Cards then and now are about the same spot.

The Cards need more than a few players to be competitve... but now the players in this upcoming draft pool aren't as good as they were then, making a trade down even more appealing...

I clarified my stance above in that I don't want a trade down, but if we absolutely have to (I can't control Monti, sadly), then the only way I'd really be happy is with this balls to the wall approach.

 

[Stout]

If the Rams fell in love with Simpson and offered both firsts to trade up for him would you do that trade or efff those guys? Lol

Eff those guys. I don't want to pull a Suggs, especially to help the Lambs. Also, I'd want all 2027 picks.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Eff those guys. I don't want to pull a Suggs, especially to help the Lambs. Also, I'd want all 2027 picks.

For the record, I wasn't a fan of the Suggs trade back in the day.

 

[gmabel830]

Unless something changes dramatically, there's definitely not a player the caliber of Julio Jones coming out this year, but if the Cards could get anything in the stratosphere of what the Browns got from the Falcons that year (pick #27, 2nd round pick, 4th round pick plus next year's 1st and 4th for the #6 pick to take Jones) you'd take that in a heartbeat. Obviously a team trading from that low is a contender and you'd expect the next year's pick to be in the 20s again, but I could see a trade way back in the first round if we could get an extra 2027 #1 out of it. I guess the compensation isn't that far off from what we got when Houston traded up for Will Anderson, but that included #12 overall (which when then traded back up to get PJJ at #6) and the next year's 1st was theoretically looking like a high first rounder.

FWIW - the Browns picked turned out to be DT Phil Taylor, WR Greg Little, FB Owen Maracic, and QB Brandon Weeden (I'm guessing they used the 5th pick as part of a separate draft trade up). So yeah, didn't work out for the Browns, but it's not like we are as inept as the Browns. Right? Right.....

 

[Dan H]

Apologies to @Stout, but I had a potentially nutty thought of my own and didn't want to start a new thread.

Why not Beck?

Pick the best edge or OT at 3, or move down a few slots if you feel comfortable you can get a guy you like. Then, in the second round (or, if need be, move up to late 1st if there's a concern he won't be available) tab Carson Beck. He's had ton of college starts (one of the better predictors of QB success) has prototypical size, and has a strong, accurate arm.

Roll with Brissett to start the season, develop Beck. If we suck again next year, it's a better QB draft and we have a potential asset to flip, as well.

 

[DVontel]

and has a strong, accurate arm.

Neither of these are true.

 

[Cheesebeef]

It's quite weird, especially considering our stances on the Anderson trade. The Cards then and now are about the same spot.

The Cards need more than a few players to be competitve... but now the players in this upcoming draft pool aren't as good as they were then, making a trade down even more appealing...

there are even less high impact players... so let's trade down and move even further away from what high impact players there are in the draft?

I swear, I will never understand how some of y'all think.

 

[Dan H]

Neither of these are true.

Well, he throws a better-looking deep ball than Kyler. Sigh.

 

[DVontel]

Well, he throws a better-looking deep ball than Kyler. Sigh.

Beck has a very inconsistent deep ball against actual college players.

 

[AZ Native]

Well, he throws a better-looking deep ball than Kyler. Sigh.

The Kyler we drafted threw the deep ball the first few years here. Did you forget?

 

[Garthshort]

Beck has a very inconsistent deep ball against actual college players.

I have no idea if this correct, but hope to have some idea after Monday's game.

 

[Dan H]

The Kyler we drafted threw the deep ball the first few years here. Did you forget?

Unfortunately that player no longer seems to exist.

 

[Sparky16]

The Kyler we drafted threw the deep ball the first few years here. Did you forget?

Pretty sure that Beck is not scared to play football like Kyler is

 

[oaken1]

Okay, I'm going off the wall with this one today. You know me; my CV on trading back for "moar picks" is well known. Assuming we can't/won't trade up for Mendoza, what should we do at #3? My suggestion, if we don't stick and pick, is to go all in on 2027. I don't mean stockpile some picks for a move up, I mean stockpile ALL the picks we get for 2027. If possible, do multiple trade downs, demanding all the picks in return be for 2027. This has an added benefit of getting higher picks (usually if it would be this year's 2 it would be next year's 1, etc). Then, are you ready for the kicker...drum roll please...wherever we land in the 1st round after trading down, trade THAT pick for 2027 picks. Essentially, don't draft in the 1st round of the 2026 draft.

Why do this when we need immedi8ate talent infusions? #1, if we don't get Mendoza or radically hit on the next Darnold, we ain't winning jack in 2026 anyway. There's no use loading the roster for a QB in 2027 if we cannot with 100 percent surety guarantee we can get a good one where or near where we draft next year. If Monti and Co are going to force me into enduring the magic beans strategy, then freaking go all out with the magic beans strategy and have like 10 1st-3rd round picks next year.

I'm not against that plan...

On first take I'm thinking it leaves us a gap of an entire class that's not being developed....but since our staff wasn't developing players, the new staff can spend the first year working with our last three draft classes...gives them time to smooth out the system before they get actual rookies to coach.

Still wouldn't mind grabbing a nussmeyer , Beck, or chambliss or something... get the guy on the field by week 6...if he doesn't blow our doors off then in 27 we trade what picks we have to and get into the top 2 or something...get the guy we want.... then keep the guy we drafted this year as the backup to the better youngster and let Brisket walk.

I think our most important task this year is identifying and retaining a group of coaches that actually coach.... I still can't get over the differences just from the loss of Adams.... we need a few guys on each side of the ball that coach like Klayton Adams...
We can't get legit coaches it just doesn't matter much what players we draft

 

[BritCard]

The problem is everyone knows 2027 is a better class and wants their picks for that class.

I don't see this as a year many teams will want to move up, or at least won't want to pay much for it.

 

[Mulli]

Pretty sure that Beck is not scared to play football like Kyler is

The Power of Yet is real

 

[dreamcastrocks]

there are even less high impact players... so let's trade down and move even further away from what high impact players there are in the draft?

I swear, I will never understand how some of y'all think.

Two 8s and a 6 on this team would be better than a 9 or a 9.5. That's how we think.

Our best hope isn't to strike gold once, it's to strike it 2 or 3 times in a single draft a la 2004 with Fitz, Dansby, and Dockett.

 

[602 Native]

MO has been a terrible GM.

I don’t trust him with a potato gun let alone more picks.

 

[Mulli]

Two 8s and a 6 on this team would be better than a 9 or a 9.5. That's how we think.

Our best hope isn't to strike gold once, it's to strike it 2 or 3 times in a single draft a la 2004 with Fitz, Dansby, and Dockett.

if they have a chance for a 9, they need to take the 9.

 

[Mulli]

Don’t take a 9?

Bold strategy

Edit why not take a shot at a 9. Find a 6 later

 

[Stout]

Don’t take a 9?

Bold strategy

Edit why not take a shot at a 9. Find a 6 later

Gotta draft some Big Johns. We haven't found one yet.