for Jones just shifted a bit towards the Cardinals. One of my main points has been that the Chiefs had other options. It appears that Olandis Gary has signed with the Bills. This gives the Cardinals a little more leverage in the negotiations.
Chiefs/Cardinals trade leverage....
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Krangodnzr
Captain of Team Conner
I think we always had the leverage to be honest. Jones, even though he hasn't always shown it, would be a much better back for the Chiefs than Gary. Gary is done, as far as being a good player with the injuries he has had.
Heck I don't even understand why the Bills signed him. Sammy Morris is a pretty good player, and better than Gary imo.
I still think that the Cards should shoot for a 5th-6th, and not take a 7th. You watch, if the Chiefs pick up Jones that might look like a steal. Jones is pretty quick, decently strong, and has pretty good (not great) hands. He also is very good at picking up the blitz.
az643dp
"The Tugboat"
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The problem is that Jones has no balance and no vision. If someone sneezes, he falls to the turf. I sometimes wondered if somebody tied his shoelaces together.
The Seattle game was a fluke. The fact that he lost his starting job three times in his young career is no fluke.
The problem is that Jones has no balance and no vision. If someone sneezes, he falls to the turf. I sometimes wondered if somebody tied his shoelaces together.
The Seattle game was a fluke. The fact that he lost his starting job three times in his young career is no fluke.
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Sorry az643dp but you are exagerating just a tad bit!
Jones was actually having the makings of a solid season until his severe ankle injury which he even played through for most of the San Diego game. The guy showed some true heart and gutted out a very good but tough game!
He was not being knocked down either he was actually getting some YAC.
I agree it was only a very short period of time but he definately showed some promise and I personally think will still be a very goo RB in the NFL. Albeit with another team!
Sorry az643dp but you are exagerating just a tad bit!
Jones was actually having the makings of a solid season until his severe ankle injury which he even played through for most of the San Diego game. The guy showed some true heart and gutted out a very good but tough game!
He was not being knocked down either he was actually getting some YAC.
I agree it was only a very short period of time but he definately showed some promise and I personally think will still be a very goo RB in the NFL. Albeit with another team!
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I am in the "Trade Jones or sit him the entire year" camp. But, I must think that part of Jone's problem was the fact that, and I will keep him anonyomous for fear his followers will rise up, a certain QB would make bone head plays and put us behind. A RB needs reps and lots of them. So, I think most of our skilled players on O was at somewhat of a disadvantage.
However, I do think Jones needs to be traded due to his attitude and feelings towards the team. But not because he has little or no talent.
Sounds like we do have a shot at trading him. I hope it is to a team in the AFC.
I am in the "Trade Jones or sit him the entire year" camp. But, I must think that part of Jone's problem was the fact that, and I will keep him anonyomous for fear his followers will rise up, a certain QB would make bone head plays and put us behind. A RB needs reps and lots of them. So, I think most of our skilled players on O was at somewhat of a disadvantage.
However, I do think Jones needs to be traded due to his attitude and feelings towards the team. But not because he has little or no talent.
Sounds like we do have a shot at trading him. I hope it is to a team in the AFC.
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That is really a ridiculous post. I can understand not liking a guy but take the blinders off dude. I mean I want him to be traded as much as the next guy but I am not going to sit here and claim the guy is terrible.
That is really a ridiculous post. I can understand not liking a guy but take the blinders off dude. I mean I want him to be traded as much as the next guy but I am not going to sit here and claim the guy is terrible.
Pariah
H.S.
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Why not? What has he done to prove he's any good? Don't give me the "he was a top-5 pick" baloney, either. Plenty of top-5 picks have busted.
Why not? What has he done to prove he's any good? Don't give me the "he was a top-5 pick" baloney, either. Plenty of top-5 picks have busted.
blindseyed
I'm saying you ARE stuck in Wichita
What?
Pariah
I agree there's no consistent stats that say otherwise. No production except for here and there. In the NFL you have to look at a RB that can produce more than a few games a year and Jones hasn't done that. He's just not a good back at this point. If his stats are terrible then he's a terrible back right now.
Pariah
I agree there's no consistent stats that say otherwise. No production except for here and there. In the NFL you have to look at a RB that can produce more than a few games a year and Jones hasn't done that. He's just not a good back at this point. If his stats are terrible then he's a terrible back right now.
JeffGollin
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In case any KC fans or members of the Chiefs' staff are cruising this board -
Thomas Jones was picked high because of his football skills - he has great straight ahead speed, home run ability and can run low through the hole.
He was sidetracked due to injuries and a traffic jam in front of him in Pittman and Shipp. He's a gamer who comes to play.
And lets not forget "quick twitch" while we're at it.
We're very depressed that we may have to lose a player with so much talent and potential.
(heh heh)
Thomas Jones was picked high because of his football skills - he has great straight ahead speed, home run ability and can run low through the hole.
He was sidetracked due to injuries and a traffic jam in front of him in Pittman and Shipp. He's a gamer who comes to play.
And lets not forget "quick twitch" while we're at it.
We're very depressed that we may have to lose a player with so much talent and potential.
(heh heh)
Krangodnzr
Captain of Team Conner
Exactly Jeff! Thomas Jones has excellent run vision, and he never gets tackled for a loss
rolleyes: ). He also is powerful to hole and never goes down easily, always getting extra yardage
rolleyes: ). He is a great character guy, who is a vocal leader and he unites the team, and he would never lie
rolleyes: ).Re: What?
Lets see 3.7 ypc and 5.7 ypr. Yes those are TERRIBLE stats so he must be a terrible back! Oh hold on lets see what other backs were around 3.7 last year....hmmm. Stephen Davis, Jerome Bettis, TJ Duckett, Duce Staley....yes he must suck! Only thing is they had 200 300+ carries and he had 138.
Jones was in the to 10 in the league before he got hurt...oh yes but he sucks, Jones out-perfomed Pittman the year before Pittman was the starting tailback for the Superbowl champions...oh yes but Jones sucks.
There you go he sucks.
Lets see 3.7 ypc and 5.7 ypr. Yes those are TERRIBLE stats so he must be a terrible back! Oh hold on lets see what other backs were around 3.7 last year....hmmm. Stephen Davis, Jerome Bettis, TJ Duckett, Duce Staley....yes he must suck! Only thing is they had 200 300+ carries and he had 138.
Jones was in the to 10 in the league before he got hurt...oh yes but he sucks, Jones out-perfomed Pittman the year before Pittman was the starting tailback for the Superbowl champions...oh yes but Jones sucks.
There you go he sucks.
azdad1978
Championship!!!!
I'll be happy if we trade him for a case Of Brewski and nuts! just trade the guy.
Resident Chiefs fan here. Thanks for clearing that up for me. I think I'm interested now....
Seriously, I hope a deal can be struck between the Chiefs and the Cardinals. It seems clear he needs to be out AZ (for himself and the team) and we need a backup RB. Seems like the right partners.
Krangodnzr
Captain of Team Conner
Re: Re: What?
But the one thing is: the more he played, the more his average dropped. That one game (Seattle) inflated his average for the entire season (and by the way 5.7 per reception does suck).
Jones is a huge flop, and imo doesn't have what it takes to be a good NFL back. He lacks run vision and natural instincts, which are crucial to being a great NFL back.
But the one thing is: the more he played, the more his average dropped. That one game (Seattle) inflated his average for the entire season (and by the way 5.7 per reception does suck).
Jones is a huge flop, and imo doesn't have what it takes to be a good NFL back. He lacks run vision and natural instincts, which are crucial to being a great NFL back.
Krangodnzr
Captain of Team Conner
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But injuries always are a part of the equation.
Receiving
Date Opp Att Yds Avg TD Rec Yds Avg TD
9/8 @ Washington 17 54 54 0 3 7 7 0
9/15 @ Seattle 24 173 173 1 2 18 18 0
9/22 San Diego 17 73 73 0 1 6 6 0
9/29 NY Giants 11 10 10 0 0 0 0 0
10/20 Dallas 22 68 68 0 3 17 17 0
10/27 @ San Francisco 15 54 54 1 2 24 24 0
11/3 St. Louis 12 25 25 0 4 31 31 0
11/10 Seattle 11 24 24 0 3 8 8 0
11/17 @ Philadelphia 9 30 30 0 2 2 2 0
Other than that one game where he averaged 7.2 yards per carry, he basically average 3 yards per carry behind an offensive line that I think is pretty good. Shipp average over a yard and a half more.
But injuries always are a part of the equation.
Receiving
Date Opp Att Yds Avg TD Rec Yds Avg TD
9/8 @ Washington 17 54 54 0 3 7 7 0
9/15 @ Seattle 24 173 173 1 2 18 18 0
9/22 San Diego 17 73 73 0 1 6 6 0
9/29 NY Giants 11 10 10 0 0 0 0 0
10/20 Dallas 22 68 68 0 3 17 17 0
10/27 @ San Francisco 15 54 54 1 2 24 24 0
11/3 St. Louis 12 25 25 0 4 31 31 0
11/10 Seattle 11 24 24 0 3 8 8 0
11/17 @ Philadelphia 9 30 30 0 2 2 2 0
Other than that one game where he averaged 7.2 yards per carry, he basically average 3 yards per carry behind an offensive line that I think is pretty good. Shipp average over a yard and a half more.
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Yes Jones could be a bust just like Garrison Hearst. If we eliminate every guy who plays or has played for Airizona and does not like all the losing we could not put a team on the field. Let us face the fact that we have been one of the armpits of the NFL so if a guy does like it here he is suspect. It is going to take some years to change this image.
Yes Jones could be a bust just like Garrison Hearst. If we eliminate every guy who plays or has played for Airizona and does not like all the losing we could not put a team on the field. Let us face the fact that we have been one of the armpits of the NFL so if a guy does like it here he is suspect. It is going to take some years to change this image.
Krangodnzr
Captain of Team Conner
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You keep comparing Jones with Hearst and that is just a very bad comparison. Hearst gained over 1,000 yards behind probably the most pitiful offensive line the Cards have had in 20 years.
Hearst was blossoming into a pretty good runner when we erroneously cut him for Leeland McElroy.
You keep comparing Jones with Hearst and that is just a very bad comparison. Hearst gained over 1,000 yards behind probably the most pitiful offensive line the Cards have had in 20 years.
Hearst was blossoming into a pretty good runner when we erroneously cut him for Leeland McElroy.
Joe Mama
Moderator
Thomas Jones has amazing ability to break tackles... just like Adrian Murrell did.
Jones could not stay on his feet. If a defender touched him he would start falling down. He had a fantastic game against a pitiful run defense in Seattle, but otherwise it was another forgettable season.
Joe
Jones could not stay on his feet. If a defender touched him he would start falling down. He had a fantastic game against a pitiful run defense in Seattle, but otherwise it was another forgettable season.
Joe
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I know this is likely a typo but a cool spelling of the state name if the Cards actually do open up the offense.
Instead of West Coast Offense, a new term could be coined.
The Airizona Offense
Better trademark it or copyright it or whatever so it is your property.
I know this is likely a typo but a cool spelling of the state name if the Cards actually do open up the offense.
Instead of West Coast Offense, a new term could be coined.
The Airizona Offense
Better trademark it or copyright it or whatever so it is your property.
This is my first time posting on a board, but here goes my take on TJ. After the first two weeks of the season everyone who posted on this board were tickled pink over TJ's production but what everyone seems to forget is that he suffered a high ankle sprain at the end of that game and he was never the same after that. I blame that on the coaching staff for not having him sit out until he was somewhat recovered. He was never able to practice but they expected him to be able to perform on sunday's. Unlike the Rams who when Marshall Faulk suffered the same injury gave him time to heal by sitting him out several games. So i guess what I'm saying is that I'm convinced that TJ, if he remains healthy, is a very good RB and is better than anyone currently on the roster, including Shipp.
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Krangodnzr
Captain of Team Conner
It's nice that you are convinced, but I would say 99% of everyone else isn't.
Jones, over a three year span, proved to be mediocre to below average, save one game.
Yeah and just think.... hes 24 years old. He's done, its over. He might as well hang it up.
I hope he is working his butt off this offseason. I hope he is traded to KC. He starts the season as the backup, Holmes gets hurt again. What do they do, give the ball to Jones? He has a bad game. Now they give the ball to Jones? He has a couple of average games. They give the ball to Jones, he has a couple of good games. They give the ball to Jones, he has some great games.
They give the ball to Jones.
I hope he is working his butt off this offseason. I hope he is traded to KC. He starts the season as the backup, Holmes gets hurt again. What do they do, give the ball to Jones? He has a bad game. Now they give the ball to Jones? He has a couple of average games. They give the ball to Jones, he has a couple of good games. They give the ball to Jones, he has some great games.
They give the ball to Jones.
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