Charmin Marvin Harrison Jr Thread

[kerouac9]

Move on to what???? Kyler is making great decisions based on the issues facing this offense (OL playing poorly, no WR1, no RB1). Murray’s stat line last week against the Niners in a road game should have read 4 touchdowns 0 interceptions, 0 turnovers. No one can argue that. And last night, it was also obvious that BOTH picks were on MHJ. They even stated last night that MHJ has been responsible for multiple picks that Murray has had to take arrows for over the last 2 years. This is not meant to be a dig against MHJ. I think he’s a great kid & I pray he turns things around asap.

Bad OL, no WR1, no RB1, really no WR2 or WR3. He has a GREAT TE, but any average DC can figure out how to minimize a great TE when everything else I mentioned is missing. And yet, he still rallied us back late. For the time being, we can only hope that bodies come back on the D & they can keep us in games until MHJ develops into what we can only hope and pray he may be.

How are you enjoying the sustained success of the MOJG regime rn?

 

[Dayman]

Sorry not buying this. Some great receivers have played with mid QBs and didn’t do what we’re seeing from MHJ.

Fitz had terrible QBs for a lot of his career. Same with boldin. Who were Julio’s QBs? Nabers? Megatron? Andre Johnson? Deandre Hopkins? Steve smith? Brandon Marshall?

Also, Trey McBride isn't out there dropping a bunch of passes from the same QB.

 

[AsUpRoDiGy]

But he didn't work back?

I have no idea who this guy is but the video is overhead so it's a good angle to watch. Marv does NOT work back, he stops, period he just quits on the play. The best angle to see it is about 53 seconds into the video, Kyler is throwing the ball and as he does that, Marv just flat stops, but he's not trying to sit down in a hole(it's not zone), and he's not coming back to Kyler, he's not even trying to block if he thinks Kyler is running, he just decides the ball is not coming to me, so he quits.

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MHJ does this constantly, which is probably why KM doesn't throw to him very much. He's slow as molasses coming out of his breaks, and usually looks like he's just jogging. On comeback routes, especially, he doesn't even try to sprint back to give KM a throwing window. He just stops at the top of his breaks and let's the defender get in front of him. His lack of aggression is extremely concerning.

 

[PACardsFan]

How are you enjoying the sustained success of the MOJG regime rn?

We’re 2-2, and 2 plays from 4-0. So, I’m just fine with their sustained success. We have a far deeper roster today than we ever have been in my lifetime. We have a ton of young talent too. So, I’m not sure what your point is??

 

[BooksOrangePlanet]

Move on to what???? Kyler is making great decisions based on the issues facing this offense

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[PACardsFan]

MHJ does this constantly, which is probably why KM doesn't throw to him very much. He's slow as molasses coming out of his breaks, and usually looks like he's just jogging. On comeback routes, especially, he doesn't even try to sprint back to give KM a throwing window. He just stops at the top of his breaks and lets the defender get in front of him. His lack of aggression is extremely concerning.

Even when JG talks about where MHJ has to improve, he consistently says that he tells MHJ to PLAY FAST. Your points are not wrong, but they are fixable. The kid is not lazy & will work hard. My guess is that MHJ hasn’t brought what he does on the practice field to real games. Otherwise, the FO would have brought in a WR during free agency. I’m sure that JG & DP are working to figure that out as we speak. Time for a little tough love.

 

[SoonerLou]

That’s also very much a chicken and eggs scenario. Decent receivers would get Kyle or another 75 to 100 yards per game.

Harrison alone, if he would actually run routes and catch balls would get most of that additional yardage for Kyler

It’s very clear that Kyler does not trust his wide receivers and he has an absolute reason to feel that way.

Some of these routes that Harrison can’t run McBride has no problem getting open and getting completions

There is a level of aggression/attack mode McBride has.

I think Wilson has it to, but he's just not that great of an athlete. There's no urgency with how MHJ run routes. The weight gain is just another reason for him to not run hard.

 

[TJ]

I only credit him with 1. The first int was a pick regardless. I agree with Kurt when he states MHJ seemed to see Kyler scrambling and stopped to work back to that side of the field.

Yeah Kyler kinda sailed that pass

 

[Cheesebeef]

Move on to what???? Kyler is making great decisions based on the issues facing this offense (OL playing poorly, no WR1, no RB1). Murray’s stat line last week against the Niners in a road game should have read 4 touchdowns 0 interceptions, 0 turnovers. No one can argue that. And last night, it was also obvious that BOTH picks were on MHJ. They even stated last night that MHJ has been responsible for multiple picks that Murray has had to take arrows for over the last 2 years. This is not meant to be a dig against MHJ. I think he’s a great kid & I pray he turns things around asap.

Bad OL, no WR1, no RB1, really no WR2 or WR3. He has a GREAT TE, but any average DC can figure out how to minimize a great TE when everything else I mentioned is missing. And yet, he still rallied us back late. For the time being, we can only hope that bodies come back on the D & they can keep us in games until MHJ develops into what we can only hope and pray he may be.

Okay… with all of the above, in year THREE of a rebuild, staring at what you acknowledge as a bad OL, no WR 1, 2 or 3, care to tell me why you continually bash people who dare criticize Monti, PA?

 

[FB94]

There is a level of aggression/attack mode McBride has.

I think Wilson has it to, but he's just not that great of an athlete. There's no urgency with how MHJ run routes. The weight gain is just another reason for him to not run hard.

Just at first glance MH is soft spoken and just doesn’t seem to have that inner dog in him. Now plenty of players are soft spoken and rip your head off game day, but still would like to see some aggression / attitude come out

 

[imaCafan]

I would like to see Brissett for a couple games and see how things play out. Just can’t do that (I guess) unless K1 gets injured, which nobody wants…

 

[DaHilg]

We’re 2-2, and 2 plays from 4-0. So, I’m just fine with their sustained success. We have a far deeper roster today than we ever have been in my lifetime. We have a ton of young talent too. So, I’m not sure what your point is??

I agree w a lot of your posts but I can’t defend this one. We should be the talk of the league in positive way after a 3 year rebuild. We aren’t, at least in a good way.

 

[jf-08]

But if he does it on run plays he's tipping the plays. Ages ago but the Cards were playing the Cowboys and Cowboys RB Ron Springs was doing that the whole game, mouthpiece in on runs, out on passes. The Cards never figured it out but the rest of the NFL watched film of that game and figured out Springs was tipping the pass or run with his mouthpiece

Saquan tips off runs or pass by looking around at who he needs to block on passes vs just straight ahead on runs.

 

[jf-08]

His drops get talked about because he has been opened on a majority of them.

He can't get separation or run routes but he gets open.

 

[eastcoastDave]

I think in the 4th quarter of the Seattle game, we saw the impact Harrison can have on the game. He was fantastic in that quarter. I think one of the issues the Cards have is that Murray has trouble finding receivers downfield. He’s simply too short the see over advancing 6-4 to 6-7 defensive linemen. He’s much more comfortable making short, quick passes to tight ends or running backs. His trouble arises when he has to stand in the pocket and wait for receivers to create separation down field. Sometimes the coverage is tight or separation doesn’t develop. That’s when the trouble arises for Murray, Harrison and the team. Hope all that changes.

 

[Cheesebeef]

We’re 2-2, and 2 plays from 4-0. So, I’m just fine with their sustained success. We have a far deeper roster today than we ever have been in my lifetime. We have a ton of young talent too. So, I’m not sure what your point is??

You literally just said we have a bad o-line and no 1, 2 or 3 WR. How does having a bad O-line and NO WRs set a team up for sustained success?

 

[PACardsFan]

Okay… with all of the above, in year THREE of a rebuild, staring at what you acknowledge as a bad OL, no WR 1, 2 or 3, care to tell me why you continually bash people who dare criticize Monti, PA?

We’re 4 games into a 17 game schedule. We’re 2-2 & 2 plays from being 4-0. Way too soon to say that we won’t see massive improvements from that OL, WR1, WR2, or WR3. We have a new OL coach, a new RB1, and a WR1 that needs continued development.

 

[BritCard]

So did he stop to block or not? You said you thought he stopped to block but clearly he didn't.

People keep complaining Kyler won't lead someone on passes that play was a perfect example why. Looks like an absolutely horrible pick until you notice that the guy he was throwing it to JUST STOPPED, as the video says.

Marv HAS to get better for the current offense to succeed. If you play 3 TE's you only have 1 WR on the field that guy HAS to be able to beat his man and get big plays. Look at Seattle last night when they needed it, JSN beat Max and got key plays. Marv finally did on the last 2 drives and hopefully that continues but he's been a huge part of our offense being so bad, he's just not good enough yet.

His drops were a primary reason we lost to SF, he outright caused one and played a huge role in the other pick last night which again contributed greatly to us losing.

Really hope that was the breaking point for him and he's gotten it out of his head, we need him

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[PACardsFan]

I agree w a lot of your posts but I can’t defend this one. We should be the talk of the league in positive way after a 3 year rebuild. We aren’t, at least in a good way.

And with all the injuries we’ve already seen, why exactly should we be the talk of the league? Even without the injuries, I didn’t see many people picking the Cardinals to win the NFCW this offseason. And very few people picked the Cardinals to even be a wildcard. I was hoping we’d be 3-1 at this point, and we’re 2-2. Since when does a 3 year rebuild guarantee championships? If you’re doing it right, and I believe we’re doing just that, it’s an ongoing PROCESS.

 

[daves]

It’s a well known fact that young WR’s do not like going over the middle. Fitz flat out refused to do so his first 2-3 years in the league. Warner has told that story a bunch of times.

I've never heard Warner say Fitz didn't want to run routes over the middle. That's just cowardly.

What he has said, e.g. just yesterday, is that Fitz didn't want to line up in the slot, that he was more comfortable outside.

 

[SoonerLou]

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[SoonerLou]

I would like to see Brissett for a couple games and see how things play out. Just can’t do that (I guess) unless K1 gets injured, which nobody wants…

I have no desire to see Brissett. If it were a big potential QB that flamed out elsewhere like Anthony Richardson, Will Levis, Zach Wilson or Justin Fields. Sure.

However, I watched quite a few Patriots games last year. And Brissett was unbearable to watch running the same kinda offense.

 

[DaHilg]

And with all the injuries we’ve already seen, why exactly should we be the talk of the league? Even without the injuries, I didn’t see many people picking the Cardinals to win the NFCW this offseason. And very few people picked the Cardinals to even be a wildcard. I was hoping we’d be 3-1 at this point, and we’re 2-2. Since when does a 3 year rebuild guarantee championships? If you’re doing it right, and I believe we’re doing just that, it’s an ongoing PROCESS.

And that’s the problem right there..”even without”… on year 3 of the rebuild which is longer than anyone but maybe the panthers? No one was taking about us bc our rebuild wasn’t impressive. It was mediocre at best and from an entertainment perspective (which does matter to any old heads that just say just win), we’ve been the most boring team with perhaps the most electric talent at QB.

I’m sick of it all…. Including kyler! If he doesn’t have the balls to speak out or go off script to being coached to dink and dunk (as it seems to be by his off season interviews of being patient, take what they give you etc) then f him. He lost the only thing that made him attractive as a QB.

 

[PACardsFan]

I've never heard Warner say Fitz didn't want to run routes over the middle. That's just cowardly.

What he has said, e.g. just yesterday, is that Fitz didn't want to line up in the slot, that he was more comfortable outside.

Warner has said more than once that Fitz not only wasn’t comfortable in the middle of the field, he outright refused to play in the slot. By definition, slot receivers catch the ball over the middle of the field. Had nothing to do with being cowardly, he just felt he was better on the outside. It wasn’t until BA was here that he forced Fitz inside. And initially he didn’t like that BA forced his hand. BA extended Fitz’s career by forcing that change. Todd Haley once called Fitz a one trick pony. The Cardinals are trying to “fully” develop MHJ, so he’s a weapon anywhere on the field. It’s obvious he’s not there yet.

 

[unseenaz]

I have no desire to see Brissett. If it were a big potential QB that flamed out elsewhere like Anthony Richardson, Will Levis, Zach Wilson or Justin Fields. Sure.

However, I watched quite a few Patriots games last year. And Brissett was unbearable to watch running the same kinda offense.

you never know.. Geno Smith looked unplayable before breaking out with the Seahawks at age 32