Chandler Jones Extension Market

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The argument against franchising Jones is that it screws up the teams contract timelines a bit. You want the last year of his contract (or an easy out the following year) to be 2024 to account for contracts for Marco Wilson, Isaiah Simmons, Zaven Collins, and Rondale Moore. I know this is projecting a lot, but that is what long term cap planning is about. Are the big dollar cap years coinciding with initial low cap contract extension years. The other this is that I still want to maximize the talent around Kyler as long as possible due to his size.

Ultimately, the Calais Campbell comp is very appropriate and as of now, Jones and Von Miller are both the top FA pass rush options next year. You don't want him to test the market and you don't want more negative PR for a guy who seems to be exactly what you want in a vet player and leader on your team.
 

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The argument against franchising Jones is that it screws up the teams contract timelines a bit. You want the last year of his contract (or an easy out the following year) to be 2024 to account for contracts for Marco Wilson, Isaiah Simmons, Zaven Collins, and Rondale Moore. I know this is projecting a lot, but that is what long term cap planning is about. Are the big dollar cap years coinciding with initial low cap contract extension years. The other this is that I still want to maximize the talent around Kyler as long as possible due to his size.

Ultimately, the Calais Campbell comp is very appropriate and as of now, Jones and Von Miller are both the top FA pass rush options next year. You don't want him to test the market and you don't want more negative PR for a guy who seems to be exactly what you want in a vet player and leader on your team.

Sure, but the flip side of that is that Keim isn't going to pay $23m a year when he can get what are likely the last 2 good years out of CJ for about $38 combined with consecutive tags. It's going to play a much bigger part in negotiations than it would with a 26 year old.
 

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Sure, but the flip side of that is that Keim isn't going to pay $23m a year when he can get what are likely the last 2 good years out of CJ for about $38 combined with consecutive tags. It's going to play a much bigger part in negotiations than it would with a 26 year old.
Franchise tag for DE is projected at 20 mil. For LB nearly 18 mil. Is the difference between a happy and productive captain of your franchise and a hold-out disgruntled captain at one of the most important positions on your team worth 3 to 5 mil? It sure as hell should be if you priorities are in the right place.

EDIT: The only thing Keim is going to do with that extra 3 to 5 mil per season is pay 7.8 mil to get 30% snaps from Devon Kennard and/or 12 mil for Jordan Phillips.
 

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Franchise tag for DE is projected at 20 mil. For LB nearly 18 mil. Is the difference between a happy and productive captain of your franchise and a hold-out disgruntled captain at one of the most important positions on your team worth 3 to 5 mil? It sure as hell should be if you priorities are in the right place.

He's a LB. The projected tag next year is $17.8m so would be $22.2m the year after. $40m total.

It's not about the AYP as much as the length of the deal and the guarantees. The drop off is going to come sooner rather than later. You don;t want to be left holding a $20m bag when that happens.

Tagging him wouldn't be my preferred option. But it is an option and it will play heavily in negotiations.
 

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There were some legitimate concerns about his play last year - I don't know how you quell those concerns more effectively than a 5 sack/2 forced fumble game.

Pay him for 3 years, and eliminate the distraction.
 

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Cheaper to tag him twice
He's already been tagged once, so that tag goes up the second time around, and a third time pays him top-5 total in the league (hi 30s at the moment). Not sure what the value is, but it doesnt help negotiations much except to ensure he's on the team next year.

I’m sure this will be a very unpopular opinion but I believe talking contract after his career game is a mistake. Give it some time. He is under contract this year and we could tag him next year (not a fan of that). If he stays healthy and produces during the year, then pay him.

This is a message board, so much of the discussion is for sheer entertainment. But Jones is a known commodity. This is not like trying to forecast what Reddick will do. Jones is an all-pro pass rusher who has flirted with the single sack record in his career. IF he's not the best pure pass rusher in the league, he's no worse than Top-3. If I'm Keim, I put down the Cuervo and get this thing done
 

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Not all of course but most of the people clamoring to just bite the bullet and give CJ what he wants at almost 32 is the same group of folks that wanted Fitz back last year and again this year and willing to pay “whatever” “his leadership is worth it” blah blah….

We’re getting in the age range regardless of his performance Sunday that players fall off a cliff. It happens fast. It has to be considered in negotiations. Length of contract etc needs to be carefully thought out.

I absolutely want to sign him but jmo anything longer then 3 years is a mistake.
 
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Not all of course but most of the people clamoring to just bite the bullet and give CJ what he wants at almost 32 is the same group of folks that wanted Fitz back last year and again this year and willing to pay “whatever” “his leadership is worth it” blah blah….

We’re getting in the age range regardless of his performance Sunday that players fall off a cliff. It happens fast. It has to be considered in negotiations. Length of contract etc needs to be carefully thought out.

I absolutely want to sign him but jmo anything longer then 3 years is a mistake.
Jones' game has never been predicated on speed rushes. Look at every one of his sacks, and none of them were pure speed rushes.

I loved that sack he had were got Lewan to punch at him off balanced and he grabbed and pulled him forward while running by him. He's a technician. Just like that Colts DE that we signed during the Arians era (name escapes me right now), he should be pretty productive even at year 35.
 

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Not all of course but most of the people clamoring to just bite the bullet and give CJ what he wants at almost 32 is the same group of folks that wanted Fitz back last year and again this year and willing to pay “whatever” “his leadership is worth it” blah blah….

We’re getting in the age range regardless of his performance Sunday that players fall off a cliff. It happens fast. It has to be considered in negotiations. Length of contract etc needs to be carefully thought out.

I absolutely want to sign him but jmo anything longer then 3 years is a mistake.
Massive difference between Fitz and Jones. Fitz had no chance of being tops at his position ages 36 and up. He was a bit player at best after that time. Jones is 31 and by all accounts, takes excellent care of his body. Rarely have I seen a player who can put on 30 lbs of good weight in an offseaon to play 4-3 DE and then lose it the following offseason to play 3-4 OLB.

A four-year extension puts his next contract year at age 35, which is not horrible, to be honest. If you can somehow get him to sign a three-year deal, cool, but if that fourth year ends up being the difference between keeping him and losing him, it's not worth penny-pinching
 

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He's already been tagged once, so that tag goes up the second time around, and a third time pays him top-5 total in the league (hi 30s at the moment). Not sure what the value is, but it doesnt help negotiations much except to ensure he's on the team next year.



This is a message board, so much of the discussion is for sheer entertainment. But Jones is a known commodity. This is not like trying to forecast what Reddick will do. Jones is an all-pro pass rusher who has flirted with the single sack record in his career. IF he's not the best pure pass rusher in the league, he's no worse than Top-3. If I'm Keim, I put down the Cuervo and get this thing done

It was a none exclusive tag before so doesn't count. I also believe they have to be consecutive.
 

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