CFB & Prospect Discussion Thread:

[Krangodnzr]

Like I said, late riser. A postseason riser. He was nothing more than a 1st-round guy when the college season ended.

You do realize that the rankings you read early in the draft season are made by media pundits, not NFL people, riiiight?

Once the media starts hearing from actual scouts, then we start seeing adjustments.

Now he's OMG can't miss best edge prospect in the draft with some folks.

LOL I think you're confusing Wilson for Anderson.

He was a first rounder after the season, not a top 5 guy.

According to the media, yes.

Like I said, he's a late riser. See them every draft, my guy.

Riiiight.

 

[WisconsinCard]

It all depends. Anderson is about as can't miss as it comes in this draft. If you trade down and get more than one player that has long-term success and aren't just role players, the trade can be a big win. If Anderson becomes an all-pro and our extra picks are just average role players or busts, it's disastrous. I'm with the bird-in-hand camp, but it's impossible to say which will work out.

Don't get me wrong I'm all about Anderson.

But just because he becomes an all pro in an odd man front doesn't mean he would be that if we go to an even man front.

I also hope we draft Anderson and stay in a 3-4, but we'll see what the coaches do

 

[BritCard]

He's not knocked just for one game.

Last year he played a ton of snaps at more traditional 4-3 defensive end. His pressure percentage halved. His pass rush win rate halved. He wasn't nearly as effective.

What he showed is that he WILL struggle as a 4-3 defensive end (4 tech and 5 tech). He's much better suited to playing as a 7 tech or 9 tech.

If you are looking for a player who can offer the versatility to play all the way from 4 tech to 9 tech, Anderson is not that guy.

This is why A LOT of smart football people are saying Wilson will go before Anderson. Wilson is more scheme versatile. He can line up 3 to 9. He's more like how Chandler Jones was in his prime.

This is the true knock on Anderson. And he's not so good that you fully overlook this issue. If we were running Vance's defense, Anderson would be 100% a slam dunk pick, but if the Cardinals are looking to move to a more traditional even front, Wilson or Van Ness make a lot of sense.

I don't believe that.

In the NFL Anderson can easily add 10-15lbs to be a more natural 4/5. It's something Chandler Jones would easily do in an offseason depending on scheme.

He's not going to do that in college due to the roles he's asked to play and not having the time and program in college to do it.

I have no concerns about Anderson being good in that role. Both Micah Parsons and Reddick play in 4 man fronts at sub 250lbs. You're overthinking it.

I can't believe we are doubting Anderson due to size but completely ignoring that Wilson has the worst get off ever of a draft eligible edge. If there is anything to worry about it's Wilson's complete like of fundamentals in regards to get off and hand usage.

 

[BritCard]

Not true at all my guy. He's been at the top of the first round for all while.

It's hilarious to call a 1st team All American a late riser. Even at the combine, the talk was about Wilson going high.

Wilson didn't enter top 10 talk until late January. At the turn of the year he was a late 1st.

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[Stout]

Wilson didn't enter top 10 talk until late January. At the turn of the year he was a late 1st.

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Ding ding ding.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Wilson didn't enter top 10 talk until late January. At the turn of the year he was a late 1st.

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You completely ignored my comment.

Talk is media driven. Talk is refined when talking to NFL teams.

Its nonsense to call him a riser.

 

[Krangodnzr]

I don't believe that.

In the NFL Anderson can easily add 10-15lbs to be a more natural 4/5. It's something Chandler Jones would easily do in an offseason depending on scheme.

He can also get slower at that weight. He wasn't nearly as effective when used at natural 4 and 5 tech.

Don't you remember me saying this two months ago about how he was used out of position all the time by Alabama?

He's a natural wide edge guy. It would dumb AF to draft him to play positions he struggled more at in college

He's not going to do that in college due to the roles he's asked to play and not having the time and program in college to do it.

I have no concerns about Anderson being good in that role. Both Micah Parsons and Reddick play in 4 man fronts at sub 250lbs. You're overthinking it.

I'm not. It's called analysis. It's called not being a sycophantic, fan boy. Reddick isn't used this way either. It's a bad move to try and play players at positions they aren't good at.

I can't believe we are doubting Anderson due to size but completely ignoring that Wilson has the worst get off ever of a draft eligible edge.

Naw man you are very guilty of focusing on just what Wilson isn't great at. He's not the "worst ever". It's hard to take your argument seriously when you employ such hyperbole.

And if he is the "worst ever" then that means that even incremental improvement could lead to massive results since he already had double Anderson's pass rush win rate last season

If there is anything to worry about it's Wilson's complete like of fundamentals in regards to get off and hand usage.

Still a 1st Team All-American. Still had double the pass rush win rate of Anderson.

And I even prefer Anderson over Wilson, I've said this like a dozen times, it's just crazy to down a guy who is a great prospect because of his warts.

Imagine if the Cowboys had listened to the Micah Parsons doubters and instead drafted someone else?

 

[BritCard]

He can also get slower at that weight. He wasn't nearly as effective when used at natural 4 and 5 tech.

Don't you remember me saying this two months ago about how he was used out of position all the time by Alabama?

He's a natural wide edge guy. It would dumb AF to draft him to play positions he struggled more at in college

I'm not. It's called analysis. It's called not being a sycophantic, fan boy. Reddick isn't used this way either. It's a bad move to try and play players at positions they aren't good at.

Naw man you are very guilty of focusing on just what Wilson isn't great at. He's not the "worst ever". It's hard to take your argument seriously when you employ such hyperbole.

And if he is the "worst ever" then that means that even incremental improvement could lead to massive results since he already had double Anderson's pass rush win rate last season

Still a 1st Team All-American. Still had double the pass rush win rate of Anderson.

And I even prefer Anderson over Wilson, I've said this like a dozen times, it's just crazy to down a guy who is a great prospect because of his warts.

Imagine if the Cowboys had listened to the Micah Parsons doubters and instead drafted someone else?

Wilson absolutely has the worst get off I've ever seen for a draft eligible Edge. Certainly one with 1st round hype.

I don't think it's even debatable. There are double digit snaps per game where he is the last man off the line. Often half a second behind anyone else.

I've never seen a prospect even remotely close to that.

Micah Parsons had character doubts. Nothing about his play was a concern.

 

[PACardsFan]

I’m still hoping that MOJG have done all their homework in regards to Carter. How nice would it be to trade down, grab an ADDITIONAL 4-5 players, and then draft the best player in the draft? And those 4-5 extra picks mitigate the risk involved in taking a guy with questionable character. AND he plays the one position that this coaching staff and roster covets the most. Do I think this will happen? Hell no. It does fly in the face of everything that MOJG have preached about what types of players they want to pursue, but maybe, just maybe, a high character coaching staff can turn a young questionable kid around & motivate him to take a better path? As a great former Cardinal HC once said, “No risk it, no biscuit” lol.

 

[TRW]

I’m still hoping that MOJG have done all their homework in regards to Carter. How nice would it be to trade down, grab an ADDITIONAL 4-5 players, and then draft the best player in the draft? And those 4-5 extra picks mitigate the risk involved in taking a guy with questionable character. AND he plays the one position that this coaching staff and roster covets the most. Do I think this will happen? Hell no. It does fly in the face of everything that MOJG have preached about what types of players they want to pursue, but maybe, just maybe, a high character coaching staff can turn a young questionable kid around & motivate him to take a better path? As a great former Cardinal HC once said, “No risk it, no biscuit” lol.

Apparently there are no more biscuits because he ate them all.

 

[Zalixar]

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[RON_IN_OC]

Wilson didn't enter top 10 talk until late January. At the turn of the year he was a late 1st.

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Are you looking at the different colors of those dots? Because I see three blue dots in about June or July of 2022 clearly showing Wilson picked by experts to be right on the top 10. And then as the season goes the expert dots collectively seemed to ramp up from low first to mid to high first.. it seems that the fan mocks are the ones that took a while to catch up in my opinion.

 

[PDXChris]

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[juza76]

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They know there are cb prospects over 5'11''?

 

[BritCard]

Have heard very little Calijah Kancey hype since the combine.

I still see mocks that have him late round 1. I'd be stunned at that.

In a weak DT class you have a guy that tested #64 out of 1600 DT's tested since 1987 with 14.5 sacks the last 2 years.

I think Kancey is a top 15 player in this class. Would not be suprised if the Eagles took him at #10.

 

[PDXChris]

They know there are cb prospects over 5'11''?

He does seem short, bit that vertical is legit!

 

[juza76]

Have heard very little Calijah Kancey hype since the combine.

I still see mocks that have him late round 1. I'd be stunned at that.

In a weak DT class you have a guy that tested #64 out of 1600 DT's tested since 1987 with 14.5 sacks the last 2 years.

I think Kancey is a top 15 player in this class. Would not be suprised if the Eagles took him at #10.

Sincerely i hope we can take him in a trade down scenario
Cardinals first three picks

Kancey
Cyrus Torrence
Julius Brents

 

[juza76]

He does seem short, bit that vertical is legit!

What about brents with his 6'3 height 34 inch arms and 41.5 vertical

 

[BritCard]

Sincerely i hope we can take him in a trade down scenario
Cardinals first three picks

Kancey
Cyrus Torrence
Julius Brents

I like Brents, I brought him up here yonks ago as a 3rd/4th round guy. I think he's being over hyped at the moment. There's still a lot of raw aspects in his game. He gets lost a bunch in coverage.

He's a longer Marco Wilson. Super athlete that needs development. I think the round 2 talk is a bit rich but would be a ok in the 3rd.

 

[DVontel]

Sincerely i hope we can take him in a trade down scenario
Cardinals first three picks

Kancey
Cyrus Torrence
Julius Brents

No thanks.

 

[BritCard]

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[PACardsFan]

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I’m a Syracuse fan. This kid is a stud, and I think he’ll be a very good NFL RB. Great hands out of the backfield too.

 

[CardNots]

I will say this, based on the observations, opinions and research I have seen here this draft is deep in talented players.

This draft, accumulate picks early and use them to move up in subsequent rounds to grab those we want.

I am not sold on any one player. A stud CB, two studs on the OL(guard, center), good blocking TE and a strong RB. While we are at it don’t forget about special teams. Kickers and punters win games as well.

Next year KMs replacement if needed

 

[BritCard]

I really hope the FO puts no stock in this

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[RON_IN_OC]

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