Carson Palmer is Carson Palmer

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

It's pretty simple, Carson is Carson. Carson was never a great QB in the past. He was an average QB who became a journeyman. We were spoiled by warner thinking lightning could strike twice. But there's a big difference. Warner was a stud at one point and he resurrected his career with us. Palmer was never a stud. And a little bit of sunshine made us all believe we had warner again. Even when he was undefeated last year it was against the weak Marys of the league. He's soft. Charmin Palmer.

 

[82CardsGrad]

It's pretty simple, Carson is Carson. Carson was never a great QB in the past. He was an average QB who became a journeyman. We were spoiled by warner thinking lightning could strike twice. But there's a big difference. Warner was a stud at one point and he resurrected his career with us. Palmer was never a stud. And a little bit of sunshine made us all believe we had warner again. Even when he was undefeated last year it was against the weak Marys of the league. He's soft. Charmin Palmer.

He's not Warner... And he is most definitely NOT soft. He's as tough as they come and frankly, I believe he's tougher than Warner.
But, he's just not at talented as Kurt. Kurt had the "it" factor. Carson has the "almost"...

 

[GatorAZ]

Quarterbacks don't often change. Palmer will always put up numbers but display highly questionable judgment at the same time. It could be worse though, a lot worse.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

He's not Warner... And he is most definitely NOT soft. He's as tough as they come and frankly, I believe he's tougher than Warner.
But, he's just not at talented as Kurt. Kurt had the "it" factor. Carson has the "almost"...

Not mentally toughis what I meant. He gets soft in the head when chips are on the line. Throwing the int into double coverage isn't a talent thing, it's not being mentally tough.

 

[82CardsGrad]

Not mentally toughis what I meant. He gets soft in the head when chips are on the line. Throwing the int into double coverage isn't a talent thing, it's not being mentally tough.

Hard to argue with that... Can't wait t hear what he has to say about that play. I mean, Mitchell never moved. He was there pre-snap and stayed there! WTH did Palmer see???

 

[Shaggy]

It's all mental for Palmer. When something gets him spooked or he just makes several mistakes, he can never recover.

 

[eastcoastSUN]

Palmer can look good in stretches but if it ever came down to a potential game winning drive in the playoffs, I have absolutely no faith that he could convincingly lead us down the field without making a boneheaded decision. He gets rattled easily if the opposing team has any semblance of a pass rush. The Rams and Steelers games are proof of that.

 

[Cheesebeef]

He's a good QB, but he ain't close to
Elite and never has been. That's the reality of what we're seeing. He's got to make a play in ONE of the two close games we've played so far and when the chips were down both times, he folded twice.

 

[187]

Stupid decisions in crunch time has always been his MO. He threw into double coverage to John a few times and it finally bit him. If you're gonna try and force something please do it to Floyd or Fitz, brown isn't big enough to consistently make a play in traffic.

 

[Jersey Girl]

Trying to force things when the team is down is definitely a problem. I love that he wants to make something happen; but, man, you can't make poor decisions. Throwing into double coverage is a poor decision.

 

[Dayman]

Once again, he had Fitz underneath for a shorter gain. And once again, he went for the lower percentage pass and failed. It's extremely frustrating.

 

[BullheadCardFan]

It could be worse though, a lot worse.

We have seen worse for sure

 

[BullheadCardFan]

Once again, he had Fitz underneath for a shorter gain. And once again, he went for the lower percentage pass and failed. It's extremely frustrating.

Larry was open for sure. He wants to hit the big play and when we just need a first he has to check down on the deep play with the double coverage and go to the short guy.

 

[NavyVet]

Harry was right. Carson was going first read, outcome be damned the entire game. Did he have a pre-game, golf induced concussion?

 

[Dr. Jones]

Once again, he had Fitz underneath for a shorter gain. And once again, he went for the lower percentage pass and failed. It's extremely frustrating.

I was saying this earlier...... We had a sure 1st down to Fitz and he chose Smokey in double coverage deep. I don't understand that thinking. Shots are fine. Gotta play the percentages in that spot though.

 

[Cardiac]

Palmer had an uneven day and made that horrible throw for the INT. He is a VERY Good QB bordering on Great.

Floyd just needs to drag his toe quicker and it's a different game IMO.

Very disappointed in the team for this crappy loss but I'm not jumping off the wagon.

 

[GatorAZ]

I was saying this earlier...... We had a sure 1st down to Fitz and he chose Smokey in double coverage deep. I don't understand that thinking. Shots are fine. Gotta play the percentages in that spot though.

Teams kill themselves every week by taking shots. With Chris Johnson and Andre Ellington there's no excuse for not running more screens.

 

[Russ Smith]

He had a bizarre game, lots of yards but didn't play well at all.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

It's pretty simple, Carson is Carson. Carson was never a great QB in the past. He was an average QB who became a journeyman. We were spoiled by warner thinking lightning could strike twice. But there's a big difference. Warner was a stud at one point and he resurrected his career with us. Palmer was never a stud. And a little bit of sunshine made us all believe we had warner again. Even when he was undefeated last year it was against the weak Marys of the league. He's soft. Charmin Palmer.

Warner was not perfect. I would put Carson right up there with him.

Go back and watch some film. Warner made mistakes and cost us games too. He fumbled in the end zone in OT to give the Niners a win over us at UOP. He tossed a game changing pick six in a goal line situation in Tampa for Pete's sake. Plenty more examples. Some people tend to look back on him as if he walked on water. Simply not true.

 

[SoCal Cardfan]

If you're gonna throw it into double coverage in the end zone, at least target Fitz ffs!!!

 

[GatorAZ]

Warner was not perfect. I would put Carson right up there with him.

Go back and watch some film. Warner made mistakes and cost us games too. He fumbled in the end zone in OT to give the Niners a win over us at UOP. He tossed a game changing pick six in a goal line situation in Tampa for Pete's sake. Plenty more examples. Some people tend to look back on him as if he walked on water. Simply not true.

Didn't he throw 5 picks vs Carolina one year?

 

[Finito]

Quarterbacks don't often change. Palmer will always put up numbers but display highly questionable judgment at the same time. It could be worse though, a lot worse.

Lol yes... Yes it could. Ryan Lindley anybody?

He's not average he's a very good NFL quarterback is he elite no but he's def not average

 

[Joe Mama]

I was saying this earlier...... We had a sure 1st down to Fitz and he chose Smokey in double coverage deep. I don't understand that thinking. Shots are fine. Gotta play the percentages in that spot though.

I would need to go back and watch that again, but I thought Fitzgerald was pretty well covered until the ball was on its way to Brown and Fitzgerald was pretty far off to the other side of the field. That said, Fitzgerald would have still been a much better choice than throwing the game away. That was just an awful decision by a veteran who should know better.

Warner was not perfect. I would put Carson right up there with him.

Go back and watch some film. Warner made mistakes and cost us games too. He fumbled in the end zone in OT to give the Niners a win over us at UOP. He tossed a game changing pick six in a goal line situation in Tampa for Pete's sake. Plenty more examples. Some people tend to look back on him as if he walked on water. Simply not true.

I agree to a point. I know he is a holy roller, but Warner did not walk on water the way some people remember here. My guess is we could go back and find just as many of the same types of complaints about him that we are seeing about Palmer. The only difference is Palmer is playing behind a much better O-line with a better running game and more weapons.

Joe

 

[Brian in Mesa]

I would need to go back and watch that again, but I thought Fitzgerald was pretty well covered until the ball was on its way to Brown and Fitzgerald was pretty far off to the other side of the field. That said, Fitzgerald would have still been a much better choice than throwing the game away. That was just an awful decision by a veteran who should know better.

Yeah, the announcers even commented that #21 was staying right with Fitz. Still - Fitz in single coverage vs. John Brown in double coverage? I'd prefer a toss to Fitz in that situation.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

I totally disagree with this premise.

Palmer WAS elite. Go look it up. His 2005 and 2006 seasons were the best in the league and he led the league in TDs. Name me last guy to start for the Pro Bowl team and lead the league in TDs that wasnt elite. Thanks for playing.

Also people have SUCH selective memory on ****. Do you remember the Kurt Warner the Cardinals brought in way back when? Do you remember the Kurt Warner that played here his first two years? Again go get k9 to sit on the metrics for you. His TO % was horrible and maybe worst in the league.

He got it coached out of him and became an expert in the offense. Hence 2008 and 2009. Same thing is/was happening with Palmer. Compare his INT % last two years with his 5 years prior (Much like Warner with Giants and last 2 years on Rams when he was basically given away so they could start Marc Bulger. Yes Marc Bulger)

Honestly I called 4-0 and I am damn pissed about yesterdays game. We can rationalize all we want but they should have won despite the officiating and Landry Jones not being practiced for. I HATE Mike Tomlin and he did it to us again. Yes there were some bad signs from the game, most of them in the first half when we should have put out foot on their throats and been up 21+

But that doesnt turn Palmer into a pumpkin or mean we are cheering for a non contender. Frankly coming here pisses me off to read how reactionary and silly the mindset I read here week to week. Try and take a step back and breath. What you saw in totality is more important then what you saw last week even though its the most recent information.

And everyone is going to be falling over themselves when this team is in the NFC Championship about "how it all came together" and "how this or this happened"..... nah you are all wrong. The evidence has been there from the beginning ya'll just decided to flip out and throw away the season after Week 6. And yes saying our top rated QB whom has 14 TDs and 5 INTS is medicore is a total extreme hot take at its worst. I mean did I seriously see someone start a thread called its all over? LOL our biggest comp is Seattle and they are way more screwed. At this point we have the division sown up.

Jesus ESPN and Social Media is ruining everyones brains. We dont need a bunch of hot takes. Be measured. Know what you are seeing. And quit generalizing and being the first with an opinion.

In finality no I dont think Palmer is a falling a part. This wasnt happening last year. Ill give it more time before making an full read on this topic. Theres been a lot more good then bad, yesterdays game non withstanding where he was definitely off all game.

We do need to beat a good team. Looks like we wont have that shot until at Seattle or Cinncy at home. Until then we can calm down on the Super Bowl favorite talk. But dismissing it out of hand because of a couple disappointing losses is stupid too.

Im taking a break. See ya on the flip side.