Cardinals' Roster Prediction V.3 with Game Notes

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Not sure how the final roster will shake out but I do like that you didn't put any of this years undrafted free agents on the team. Just way to hard for them to make the team this year with so little time to make an impression.

I guess we will see what UCFAs the coaches are really high on when they pick the practice squad. My guess from what i have seen: C Kris O'Dowd, T Justin Sperendon, NT Ricky Lumpkin, S Jared Campbell---paired with 4 second year PS guys: WR Isaiah Williams, G Cliff Louis, LB Brandon Sharpe and CB Marshay Green.

The one UCFA player here whom I think has an outside chance for the roster is S Jared Campbell, because he is so good on STs and Abdullah and Ware are iffy. Good ST players can help you right away.

The player I am most curious about is TE Stephen Skelton---haven't seen much of him, but maybe the coaches are preferring it that way for now.
 

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QB (3): Kolb, Skelton, Bartel

Kolb has played fairly well, considering he is still learning the offense and has to get the timing down. IMO he's obviously struggling as a result of this, not for a lack of talent.

Skelton is playing better than last year, but he still needs to unload the ball faster, go through his progressions (he misses LOTS of open receivers), and put better touch on his passes. He's improved, but not enough yet.

Bartel is intriguing; He gets rid of the ball quickly, seems to really command the offense, and dare I say, he seems like he understands the offense the best of our 4 QBs. I agree Mitch, he does throw off his back foot a lot, but if he can improve on that, watch out, Bartel is going to have a long career as a backup in the NFL.

Hall is done; I disagree that Stuckey extended his route too far. That will easily explain why Coach Whisenhunt pulled him so fast. Whis just doesn't have the confidence in Hall that he has in Bartel. Hall has a lot of moxie, but he is too small, panics under pressure, and doesn't have the requisite arm strength to make it in the NFL. He's like a famine starved version of Drew Brees.

RB (4): Wells, LSH, Smith, Sherman

I'll include Sherman in the RBs group.

Beanie ran well, but I do agree, their is this awkwardness to his game that I just can't explain. He just doesn't have "it" IMO. "It" being that indescribable quality that great players have. But IMO he's adequate and if given the carries will go for over 1000. But I just don't see him ever being in the class of Peterson, Johnson, and Jones-Drew.

We need to get out of the business of giving traditional RB carries to LSH. He looks horrible in that role. Get him in there to cause mismatches in the passing game, or get him carries that take him off tackle or on sweeps. Don't run him up the middle, he's not effective in that role.

Smith surprised me; he's got plenty of speed, is tough, and can do the little things well. IMO he'll be a nice surprise taking the roster spot of Williams, though he's like Ryan Williams-lite.

WR (5): Fitz, Doucet/Roberts, Williams, Sampson.


This is where I diverge a bit. I see the coaching staff looking at receivers we'll have at TE and RB, and deciding to go light on WR. Isiah Williams will go on the practice squad and Komar will drift into obscurity. Stuckey will be cut, IMO he doesn't have the ability of our top five.

What do I say about Fitz? Nothing, the guy is amazing and is likely the greatest Cardinal of all time. I'll be telling my grandchildren about Fitzgerald some day. IMO he deserves mention among the all time greatest receivers because of his innate ability to beat defenders on jump balls. No other receiver in the history of the game is better than he is on these one-on-one situations.

I list Doucet/Roberts together because I think they are going to be situational dependent #2s. They both bring strengths to the field and are capable #2/#3 guys. Doucet has better size and runs better routes, while Roberts is faster and quicker than Doucet. I'm excited about both (barring Doucet's annual nagging injuries).

Sampson. WOW. Great young, late round prospect. Good size, quicker/faster than advertised, and he fights for the ball when it's in the air. IMO he could be a future starter on this team.

Williams is on the cusp. He's made some plays, but those drops against GB are inexcusable. He HAS to make those catches, and it's not the first time he's made those kind of mistakes. Isiah Williams is on the cusp of pushing Williams, but I think the coaching staff will look at what Stephen brings to the table and will give him one more season to prove himself.

TE (4): Heap, King, Housler, Dray

I think we keep four here, since Housler can be considered Receiver #6. Best group of TEs the Cards have had in a very long time and we haven't played a game yet. I love watching King play; he's that veteran who figured out a long time ago that if he fights on the edge and makes the occasional catch, he'll stick. Dray will benefit from being around King and will develop into the same kind of player. Housler is so smooth and effortless. Three seasons from now, he'll be our starting TE and will be a good one.

OL (8): Brown, Colledge, Sendlein, Lutui, Keith, Bridges, Hadnot, Womack.

I seriously doubt Batiste makes it; Whisenhunt loves having veterans that can play multiple positions across the line and Womack can do that. Batiste likely can't right now. I do like him, he's looked good and IMO he's a likely practice squad candidate.

I would love for Bridges to move in the starting line up....for Brown NOT for Keith. Keith is still recovering from his injury, and it will take him a few more weeks to get back in the swing of things. I also don't see Lutui as an opening day starter, but it will be hard to keep him out of the starting lineup for long.

DL (6): Dockett, Williams, Campbell, Holliday, Eason, Carter

This is group that will be better than last year. That's right I think it's better. Holliday is an upgrade over Branch, and Watson was nearly useless. Carter will be the NT sub for now, but in time will be a DE.

Dockett and Campbell will have near Pro Bowl seasons, but Holiday will be the best player on this line overall. He will be the best runstopper and will get a decent push in the passing game.

OLB (5) Porter, Haggans, Schofield, Acho, Davis

I differ, in that I think we keep Davis around. OLB depth is very important in a 3-4 and Davis is a very capable special teamer and a solid, but unspectacular sub. What needs to be balanced here is the snaps that Porter and Haggans play. Both can be effective if they don't play too much. From what we've seen this preseason, Schofield and Acho have a future on this team, even if it's not as a starter. Both look to be solid players.

ILB (4) Washington, Bradley, Lenon, Walker

I agree on this grouping, but I'm listing Bradley as a starter since I think he will be for most of the year. Lenon becomes the super sub of the group, since he can play most of the LB positions to some level of proficiency. Walker makes the roster again based on special teams play, and for the fact that Sturdivant hasn't shown anything. It may go either way though; don't be surprised if the team has see something from Sturdivant in practices that make them believe that Walker is expendable.

CB (5) Jefferson, Toler, Peterson, Marshall, Adams

I can't make my mind up if we keep Adams or not; he's been injured, and last season was a respectable player. But his limitations will always be huge.

Jefferson so far has been the best of the bunch, and that's not necessarily an insult to the rest, he's played outstanding against pretty good wideouts. Toler seems to improved as well, though Peterson looks overmatched so far and Marshall has been terrible in off coverage (which was the knock on him in Carolina).

Peterson won't start the first eight weeks of the season IMO barring injury.

S (5) Rhodes, Johnson, Wilson, Abdullah, Ware

IMO this is the position you raid a player from if you need an additional roster spot. Ware would be the guy I cut loose if any, since Peterson could play a hybrid role off the bench in a pinch.

I think Johnson is the future at safety unlike most of the board; his poor plays are magnified, but he was solid last season for the most part and should have probably replaced Wilson when he was hurt last year. Too bad we have no good young prospects other than Johnson...

Specialists (3) Feeley, Leach, Graham


Feeley and Leach are solid. Graham is iffy; he was atrocious at times last year and the young kid could push him off the roster. I hope so, because IMO Graham is one of the most overrated players on the roster by hardcore fans. He's terrible.
 

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Krang,

Agree, but with one nagging little question.

Is Hadnot an actual no. 2 centre?

If not, then Claxton gets into the mix. At whose expense, I'm not certain.

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And while not coming into play with the first cutdown to 53... I wouldn't be surprised if we latch onto another RB and D-line help.
 
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QB (3): Kolb, Skelton, Bartel

Kolb has played fairly well, considering he is still learning the offense and has to get the timing down. IMO he's obviously struggling as a result of this, not for a lack of talent.

Skelton is playing better than last year, but he still needs to unload the ball faster, go through his progressions (he misses LOTS of open receivers), and put better touch on his passes. He's improved, but not enough yet.

Bartel is intriguing; He gets rid of the ball quickly, seems to really command the offense, and dare I say, he seems like he understands the offense the best of our 4 QBs. I agree Mitch, he does throw off his back foot a lot, but if he can improve on that, watch out, Bartel is going to have a long career as a backup in the NFL.

Hall is done; I disagree that Stuckey extended his route too far. That will easily explain why Coach Whisenhunt pulled him so fast. Whis just doesn't have the confidence in Hall that he has in Bartel. Hall has a lot of moxie, but he is too small, panics under pressure, and doesn't have the requisite arm strength to make it in the NFL. He's like a famine starved version of Drew Brees.

RB (4): Wells, LSH, Smith, Sherman

I'll include Sherman in the RBs group.

Beanie ran well, but I do agree, their is this awkwardness to his game that I just can't explain. He just doesn't have "it" IMO. "It" being that indescribable quality that great players have. But IMO he's adequate and if given the carries will go for over 1000. But I just don't see him ever being in the class of Peterson, Johnson, and Jones-Drew.

We need to get out of the business of giving traditional RB carries to LSH. He looks horrible in that role. Get him in there to cause mismatches in the passing game, or get him carries that take him off tackle or on sweeps. Don't run him up the middle, he's not effective in that role.

Smith surprised me; he's got plenty of speed, is tough, and can do the little things well. IMO he'll be a nice surprise taking the roster spot of Williams, though he's like Ryan Williams-lite.

WR (5): Fitz, Doucet/Roberts, Williams, Sampson.


This is where I diverge a bit. I see the coaching staff looking at receivers we'll have at TE and RB, and deciding to go light on WR. Isiah Williams will go on the practice squad and Komar will drift into obscurity. Stuckey will be cut, IMO he doesn't have the ability of our top five.

What do I say about Fitz? Nothing, the guy is amazing and is likely the greatest Cardinal of all time. I'll be telling my grandchildren about Fitzgerald some day. IMO he deserves mention among the all time greatest receivers because of his innate ability to beat defenders on jump balls. No other receiver in the history of the game is better than he is on these one-on-one situations.

I list Doucet/Roberts together because I think they are going to be situational dependent #2s. They both bring strengths to the field and are capable #2/#3 guys. Doucet has better size and runs better routes, while Roberts is faster and quicker than Doucet. I'm excited about both (barring Doucet's annual nagging injuries).

Sampson. WOW. Great young, late round prospect. Good size, quicker/faster than advertised, and he fights for the ball when it's in the air. IMO he could be a future starter on this team.

Williams is on the cusp. He's made some plays, but those drops against GB are inexcusable. He HAS to make those catches, and it's not the first time he's made those kind of mistakes. Isiah Williams is on the cusp of pushing Williams, but I think the coaching staff will look at what Stephen brings to the table and will give him one more season to prove himself.

TE (4): Heap, King, Housler, Dray

I think we keep four here, since Housler can be considered Receiver #6. Best group of TEs the Cards have had in a very long time and we haven't played a game yet. I love watching King play; he's that veteran who figured out a long time ago that if he fights on the edge and makes the occasional catch, he'll stick. Dray will benefit from being around King and will develop into the same kind of player. Housler is so smooth and effortless. Three seasons from now, he'll be our starting TE and will be a good one.

OL (8): Brown, Colledge, Sendlein, Lutui, Keith, Bridges, Hadnot, Womack.

I seriously doubt Batiste makes it; Whisenhunt loves having veterans that can play multiple positions across the line and Womack can do that. Batiste likely can't right now. I do like him, he's looked good and IMO he's a likely practice squad candidate.

I would love for Bridges to move in the starting line up....for Brown NOT for Keith. Keith is still recovering from his injury, and it will take him a few more weeks to get back in the swing of things. I also don't see Lutui as an opening day starter, but it will be hard to keep him out of the starting lineup for long.

DL (6): Dockett, Williams, Campbell, Holliday, Eason, Carter

This is group that will be better than last year. That's right I think it's better. Holliday is an upgrade over Branch, and Watson was nearly useless. Carter will be the NT sub for now, but in time will be a DE.

Dockett and Campbell will have near Pro Bowl seasons, but Holiday will be the best player on this line overall. He will be the best runstopper and will get a decent push in the passing game.

OLB (5) Porter, Haggans, Schofield, Acho, Davis

I differ, in that I think we keep Davis around. OLB depth is very important in a 3-4 and Davis is a very capable special teamer and a solid, but unspectacular sub. What needs to be balanced here is the snaps that Porter and Haggans play. Both can be effective if they don't play too much. From what we've seen this preseason, Schofield and Acho have a future on this team, even if it's not as a starter. Both look to be solid players.

ILB (4) Washington, Bradley, Lenon, Walker

I agree on this grouping, but I'm listing Bradley as a starter since I think he will be for most of the year. Lenon becomes the super sub of the group, since he can play most of the LB positions to some level of proficiency. Walker makes the roster again based on special teams play, and for the fact that Sturdivant hasn't shown anything. It may go either way though; don't be surprised if the team has see something from Sturdivant in practices that make them believe that Walker is expendable.

CB (5) Jefferson, Toler, Peterson, Marshall, Adams

I can't make my mind up if we keep Adams or not; he's been injured, and last season was a respectable player. But his limitations will always be huge.

Jefferson so far has been the best of the bunch, and that's not necessarily an insult to the rest, he's played outstanding against pretty good wideouts. Toler seems to improved as well, though Peterson looks overmatched so far and Marshall has been terrible in off coverage (which was the knock on him in Carolina).

Peterson won't start the first eight weeks of the season IMO barring injury.

S (5) Rhodes, Johnson, Wilson, Abdullah, Ware

IMO this is the position you raid a player from if you need an additional roster spot. Ware would be the guy I cut loose if any, since Peterson could play a hybrid role off the bench in a pinch.

I think Johnson is the future at safety unlike most of the board; his poor plays are magnified, but he was solid last season for the most part and should have probably replaced Wilson when he was hurt last year. Too bad we have no good young prospects other than Johnson...

Specialists (3) Feeley, Leach, Graham


Feeley and Leach are solid. Graham is iffy; he was atrocious at times last year and the young kid could push him off the roster. I hope so, because IMO Graham is one of the most overrated players on the roster by hardcore fans. He's terrible.

Very good points---made for excellent reading, Krang!:raccoon:
 

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Krang,

Agree, but with one nagging little question.

Is Hadnot an actual no. 2 centre?

If not, then Claxton gets into the mix. At whose expense, I'm not certain.

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And while not coming into play with the first cutdown to 53... I wouldn't be surprised if we latch onto another RB and D-line help.

Yes, Hadnot is viewed as a G/C, and can backup three spots on the line (LG, C, RG). This coaching staff loves guys like that, which is why our three primary backups (Hadnot, Womack, and Bridges) are very likely to hold on to backup jobs.

I don't see any Dline help coming, if you read into all the little comments on how much they like David Carter. And from looking at the available RBs, I don't see any veteran that I like more than Alfonso Smith. Sure maybe we'll pick up another cheap, young guy from a team with RB depth, but it's more likely they will wait until the season begins so they aren't on the hook for their contract if they decide to cut them.
 

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I agree with ya' Krang except on Howlings...that little guy has looked anything but horrible running up the gut to me so far but I would not put him in that role only because I don't think his body would be able to hold up over an extended time
 

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very thorough and enjoyable Mitch. Really loved your description of the waggle zig zag pass....more of that please. sherman really impresses me, but what did you think of the route he ran at the goalline? Seemed like it was too "rounded", but perhaps I'm wrong. Thought that if he just ran straight to the pylon he walks in eas with a nice lead pass. at least he caught it, and he is a beast on ST.

whichever scout found Rob Housler has a fat Christmas bonus check coming his way.

stephen williams upside is huge. He's obviously hot and cold, but seems like he might be turning the corner. sampson was a helluva 7th round pick. Glad we didn't panic at WR.
 
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very thorough and enjoyable Mitch. Really loved your description of the waggle zig zag pass....more of that please. sherman really impresses me, but what did you think of the route he ran at the goalline? Seemed like it was too "rounded", but perhaps I'm wrong. Thought that if he just ran straight to the pylon he walks in eas with a nice lead pass. at least he caught it, and he is a beast on ST.

whichever scout found Rob Housler has a fat Christmas bonus check coming his way.

stephen williams upside is huge. He's obviously hot and cold, but seems like he might be turning the corner. sampson was a helluva 7th round pick. Glad we didn't panic at WR.

Dylanbw: Sherman ran the right route---it needs to be a 3-4 yard quick out. But---it needs to be thrown sooner so that the FB can catch it in stride and then race to the pylon. Bartel threw the ball a tad too late, which gave the defense time to catch up.
 

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Yesterday I was able to watch the tape on my TV screen and not on a small internet link and here are some added notes:

1. Levi Brown is fanning and squaring up better than he ever has---but---obviously---he is so snap count antsy to get his drop step planted before the DE can rush him that he's jumping the gun. As with Leonard Davis and other LTs who lack quick twitch feet---it's an indication of the player's own conception of his weakness.

Levi could have easily been called for 2 or 3 more false starts.
 

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Yes, Hadnot is viewed as a G/C, and can backup three spots on the line (LG, C, RG). This coaching staff loves guys like that, which is why our three primary backups (Hadnot, Womack, and Bridges) are very likely to hold on to backup jobs.

I don't see any Dline help coming, if you read into all the little comments on how much they like David Carter. And from looking at the available RBs, I don't see any veteran that I like more than Alfonso Smith. Sure maybe we'll pick up another cheap, young guy from a team with RB depth, but it's more likely they will wait until the season begins so they aren't on the hook for their contract if they decide to cut them.

Thanks...

My suggestion of added DL or RB help was something after the 53 cutdown.
 

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