Cardinals offensive personnel.

[Russ Smith]

Yeah Marv maybe gets you a 2nd right now.

Look at the draft, the 2 highest rated WR's are Tyson and Tate neither of whom are nearly as highly rated as Marv. There's still a perception that Marv is being held back by us not him. If you can't get better than a 2 for him keep him, I don't buy that's all you can get for him.

 

[BooksOrangePlanet]

we have a solid trio in mcbride marv and anquan wilson

 

[slanidrac16]

The scary part of this is it took an injury to MHJ to recognize what Wilson can actually contribute to this passing attack.

 

[Russ Smith]

we have a solid trio in mcbride marv and anquan wilson

Right but we have an offense that appears to be by design focused on Trey and whoever the Wr 1 is. And Wilson is clearly so far more productive in WR1 than Marv.

If we change OC's then yea by all means keep Marv. But in this system with Petzing I don't see the point.

 

[BooksOrangePlanet]

Right but we have an offense that appears to be by design focused on Trey and whoever the Wr 1 is. And Wilson is clearly so far more productive in WR1 than Marv.

If we change OC's then yea by all means keep Marv. But in this system with Petzing I don't see the point.

idk if wilson is better than marv - i think brissett can get all 3 the ball

 

[Russ Smith]

idk if wilson is better than marv - i think brissett can get all 3 the ball

I mean at WR1 or X or whatever the hell they call it. Last year early in the year Wilson was defending Marv, I played X a bit my rookie year when Hollywood got hurt and it's so hard in this offense, especially as a rookie. This year in 3 starts at X or WR1, Wilson looks far better. So if we keep Marv, put Wilson at X and Marv at whatever they call the other WR.

I'd still like to trade him this is a good draft to have multiple 1st rounders if you can. There are OL's, edge guys etc. There's not really a QB in this draft I think is worth trading up for. I like Mendoza the best but I'm much higher on the OL and Edge guys than him.

We also need another ILB, Mack is solid but we need another one.

 

[PJ1]

The scary part of this is it took an injury to MHJ to recognize what Wilson can actually contribute to this passing attack.

Also an injury to KM.

 

[Weenus O'Baggins]

The scary part of this is it took an injury to MHJ to recognize what Wilson can actually contribute to this passing attack.

As I said elsewhere, this is the biggest indictment of Murray / Petzing. Originally I said Murray but Gannon has mentioned more than once that they have "priority targets" in the offense so it's probably a 65/35 crap sandwich.

 

[Chopper0080]

It shouldn't be a shock when timing and rhythm WRs play better with a timing and rhythm QB. I don't understand why people are arguing about who is WR1 or WR2. You play 2 WRs 80% of the game. Be happy the Cardinals finally have two NF starting WRs on the roster.

The OC sucks and the former QB can't play with timing and rhythm. The RB room is a disaster. The OL is miserable. This franchise is a clown show.

 

[Harry]

idk if wilson is better than marv - i think brissett can get all 3 the ball

I have to agree with BGT. When MHJ was playing WR 1, JB was trying to get all three receivers involved. At the moment the only WR getting a significant number of targets is Wilson. If MHJ was basically the only target & getting that same treatment, I think he’d at least match Wilson’s numbers.

I do think when Harrison returns, it will be interesting to see where teams focus their coverage. The Cards still need a true deep threat. It’s not Weaver.

 

[Harry]

It shouldn't be a shock when timing and rhythm WRs play better with a timing and rhythm QB. I don't understand why people are arguing about who is WR1 or WR2. You play 2 WRs 80% of the game. Be happy the Cardinals finally have two NF starting WRs on the roster.

The OC sucks and the former QB can't play with timing and rhythm. The RB room is a disaster. The OL is miserable. This franchise is a clown show.

Without the cute little car!

 

[Russ Smith]

I have to agree with BGT. When MHJ was playing WR 1, JB was trying to get all three receivers involved. At the moment the only WR getting a significant number of targets is Wilson. If MHJ was basically the only target & getting that same treatment, I think he’d at least match Wilson’s numbers.

I do think when Harrison returns, it will be interesting to see where teams focus their coverage. The Cards still need a true deep threat. It’s not Weaver.

He was 3 weeks ago and had 12 targets and 3 catches. That's the point

 

[Russ Smith]

It shouldn't be a shock when timing and rhythm WRs play better with a timing and rhythm QB. I don't understand why people are arguing about who is WR1 or WR2. You play 2 WRs 80% of the game. Be happy the Cardinals finally have two NF starting WRs on the roster.

The OC sucks and the former QB can't play with timing and rhythm. The RB room is a disaster. The OL is miserable. This franchise is a clown show.

What I'm saying is if the last 3 games haven't convinced people of a few things I don't know what will.

1) the OL sucks, both coaching and personnel. We need 2 guards and a RT.

2) The ILB sucks, the only good one on the roster is Mack Wilson. Simon still might be good but so far I see a guy hitting the wrong gap over and over and getting tackles downfield.

3) In the X or whatever position they call it, Wilson is clearly better than Marv.

We still need a QBOTFl find out by the end of the year if we need a RB.

I don't see any way we both fix the OL and get a QB in this draft, and the fact is this draft has 2 or 3 really good edges and we should strongly consider taking one of those too to pair with Sweat so that Browning and Ojulari become backups.

Which gets me to the most marketable trade piece we have, that won't harm us to trade, is marv.

If we fire Petzing and change the offense, then yes I want to keep Marv but since we're being told over and over Petzing is not the problem I suspect that's not going to happen.

 

[BullheadCardFan]

If we fire Petzing and change the offense, then yes I want to keep Marv but since we're being told over and over Petzing is not the problem I suspect that's not going to happen.

Oof

He's part of the problem

 

[Russ Smith]

Oof

He's part of the problem

It's just a guess but every time someone asks Gannon about it he fully defends Petzing.

So since I have no belief at all we will change head coaches because Bidwill won't want to pay 3 coaches at once, I have to assume Petzing is the OC next year. CBS reported before the game that sources say Bidwill is expected to retain Gannon, now 15-30 because Bidwill thinks, and much of the NFL agrees, Gannon is doing a good job coaching it's more a personnel issue. So unless part of that is I will retain you but you have to make coaching changes, my guess is Petzing is back.

Keep in mind that CBS report came on the heels of us having 17 penalties against SF. yes some were bad calls but 17 penalties doesn't typically indicate a well coached team

 

[Harry]

What I'm saying is if the last 3 games haven't convinced people of a few things I don't know what will.

1) the OL sucks, both coaching and personnel. We need 2 guards and a RT.

2) The ILB sucks, the only good one on the roster is Mack Wilson. Simon still might be good but so far I see a guy hitting the wrong gap over and over and getting tackles downfield.

3) In the X or whatever position they call it, Wilson is clearly better than Marv.

We still need a QBOTFl find out by the end of the year if we need a RB.

I don't see any way we both fix the OL and get a QB in this draft, and the fact is this draft has 2 or 3 really good edges and we should strongly consider taking one of those too to pair with Sweat so that Browning and Ojulari become backups.

Which gets me to the most marketable trade piece we have, that won't harm us to trade, is marv.

If we fire Petzing and change the offense, then yes I want to keep Marv but since we're being told over and over Petzing is not the problem I suspect that's not going to happen.

I could fill the page trying to explain X, Y, Z, and slot receivers. The X is the outside receiver usually the furthest from the interior line. Many teams like the speed receiver there. The Cards don’t actually have a true speed receiver. Any receiver can be the QBs favorite target. I actually like MHJ at that spot because he runs great routes. The Z (flanker to some) is typically on the opposite side and back from the line. Teams using stacks of three eligible receivers can mess with the nomenclature. Wilson fits nicely there. Slot receivers typically like up between the tackle and the X. Some of the top guys like Kupp & Lamb like the slot best. Put them where you want. It’s about route running and ball placement. We could sign an FA RT(one failure is not a pattern) and draft a QB. Trade Marv when his value is low is a major mistake IMO.

 

[Russ Smith]

I could fill the page trying to explain X, Y, Z, and slot receivers. The X is the outside receiver usually the furthest from the interior line. Many teams like the speed receiver there. The Cards don’t actually have a true speed receiver. Any receiver can be the QBs favorite target. I actually like MHJ at that spot because he runs great routes. The Z (flanker to some) is typically on the opposite side and back from the line. Teams using stacks of three eligible receivers can mess with the nomenclature. Wilson fits nicely there. Slot receivers typically like up between the tackle and the X. Some of the top guys like Kupp & Lamb like the slot best. Put them where you want. It’s about route running and ball placement. We could sign an FA RT(one failure is not a pattern) and draft a QB. Trade Marv when his value is low is a major mistake IMO.

I guess I'm saying if his value is high it's because he played well and he hasn't for us. As long as we're in this Petzing offense I don't think he will. As long as Petzing has been here people have been saying our offense is very difficult for the X Wr you have to run lots of contested routes and make contested catches. Hollywood said it, Wilson said it as a rookie, they all said it when Marv was struggling last year. hell I read a whole story about how Jeudy took half the year, and a QB change, to finally take off in that offense because of how difficult it is being the X guy.

So I'm assuming Wilsons last 2 games are primarily from the X.

To be clear I want us to fire Petzing and change the offense, I just don't believe we will.

 

[Proteus]

It's just a guess but every time someone asks Gannon about it he fully defends Petzing.

So since I have no belief at all we will change head coaches because Bidwill won't want to pay 3 coaches at once, I have to assume Petzing is the OC next year. CBS reported before the game that sources say Bidwill is expected to retain Gannon, now 15-30 because Bidwill thinks, and much of the NFL agrees, Gannon is doing a good job coaching it's more a personnel issue. So unless part of that is I will retain you but you have to make coaching changes, my guess is Petzing is back.

Keep in mind that CBS report came on the heels of us having 17 penalties against SF. yes some were bad calls but 17 penalties doesn't typically indicate a well coached team

So if it's a personnel issue we're firing the GM then?

 

[football karma]

the likely scenario / plan for 2026:

Brisset is your QB. Maybe a Qb is taken in the draft, but you have to plan on JB being the guy.

The good news is you have a base of competent pass catchers: Trey, Mike W and MJH. Thats a quality three but the right scheme is needed.

JB is budget-Carson Palmer. Will stand back there and deliver. Its says that protecting him is a priority -- both actual protection and a decent enough running game.

with Murray off the books -- the Cards will have the cap space to rebuild the line. the RT will be pricey, but good solid Guards don't have to be.

Finally -- love James Connor, but you cant assume he will be back. Somebody of quality has to be added to that room. Probably two names.

Finally: a new OC who can actually make these pieces all work together.

 

[kerouac9]

with Murray off the books -- the Cards will have the cap space to rebuild the line. the RT will be pricey, but good solid Guards don't have to be.

Hard to imagine the Cards not having a $20-50 million cap hold for Murray in 2026

 

[Dback Jon]

the likely scenario / plan for 2026:

Brisset is your QB. Maybe a Qb is taken in the draft, but you have to plan on JB being the guy.

The good news is you have a base of competent pass catchers: Trey, Mike W and MJH. Thats a quality three but the right scheme is needed.

JB is budget-Carson Palmer. Will stand back there and deliver. Its says that protecting him is a priority -- both actual protection and a decent enough running game.

with Murray off the books -- the Cards will have the cap space to rebuild the line. the RT will be pricey, but good solid Guards don't have to be.

Finally -- love James Connor, but you cant assume he will be back. Somebody of quality has to be added to that room. Probably two names.

Finally: a new OC who can actually make these pieces all work together.

So 4-13 or 5-12

 

[football karma]

So 4-13 or 5-12

unless some team does the equivalent of the Raiders trading Carson Palmer, then JB is the guy.

I dont think you can count on getting a starting QB in the draft -- and def not one who starts day 1 (but if you do, great)

so make your team as good as possible to support the guy behind center. With the right supporting cast / team -- I think you can win enough with JB to be respectable

 

[football karma]

Hard to imagine the Cards not having a $20-50 million cap hold for Murray in 2026

there will be a K1 cap hit of ~$50-ish mm in 2026. Maybe less.

but, keeping him or trading him, the Cards at a minimum will start with $23mm in cap space and can make it $50mm+ with some painless moves (goodbye Justin Jones).

and the $50mm from Kyler that comes off in 27 and 28 can easily be used to acquire players in 2025 offseason.

 

[cardsfanmd]

He has to prove he can stay healthy but he and DeMercado are the only guys on the roster who belong in an NFL backfield. Knight 53 carries longest run 17 yards 3.5 YPC.he's been pretty good near the goalline. Carter longest run is 11 yards 2.7 YPC.

Benson 5.5 YPC more long runs. DeMercado 7.8 YPC. We have 6 "big" runs as a team this year, 2 each by Benson, DeMercado and Murray.

The rest of the season is huge for both Benson and DeMercado. Unless Conner unexpectedly comes back next year they are the likely RB1 and RB2 but they both have to prove they can stay healthy and be the regular guy. I would say it's more important for Benson he HAS to prove he can be counted on for 15-20 touches a game

Demercado lost 2 games for his team this year and can’t stay healthy as a 3rd down back.

 

[Russ Smith]

Demercado lost 2 games for his team this year and can’t stay healthy as a 3rd down back.

Yeah I'm on record I wanted to cut him. I've cooled off but at the time if I were teh coach, I would have cut him. But he IS a good player, I've always liked him he has excellent vision and acceleration.

Who knows but assuming no coaching change I fully expect them both back and we'll add another RB somewhere. But Benson in particular would do himself a world of good if he comes back and plays the last 6 games and shows he can at least stay healthy that long.