Cardinals come tied last in NFLPA player poll

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Cheap dudes don't buy private planes so the team can travel better.
The players said the plane they got was worse than the charters they were taking before.

Cheap dudes who love planes buy one that’s worse and try to gaslight their employees that they’re getting something better. Get an asset and a tax sink.
 

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This is interesting that it is just the Cards current players that were allowed to respond not ex-players.

1,300 NFL players responded to the survey, which was sent to players on 2022 NFL team rosters. They could only answer questions about the team for which they were currently employed.
 

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This is interesting that it is just the Cards current players that were allowed to respond not ex-players.

1,300 NFL players responded to the survey, which was sent to players on 2022 NFL team rosters. They could only answer questions about the team for which they were currently employed.
I was wondering about that. That is pretty telling. I was hoping that a lot of the answers were from players that never even played for the team and just heard things through the rumor mill.
 

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I was wondering about that. That is pretty telling. I was hoping that a lot of the answers were from players that never even played for the team and just heard things through the rumor mill.
Yeah, I think that even makes it worse that the current players have such negative feelings.
 

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Would it require NFL knowledge to know if one player in the history of the NFL has even mentioned not signing somewhere because of facilities?

Were not talking crap stained walls, busted toilets, rats infestations and prison food. The Cardinals facility, but any reasonable standards, are still very good. Are they the fanciest most complete full service facilities in the league? No they are not. But no player is

But it's silly to think players are turning down coming here because we don't offer day care or our only 7 years old gym floor needs replacing. The gym, canteen and locker room were all fully replaced in 2015.

"Sorry man. I love the team, the coach, the QB, the weather and the state tax is one of the lowest in the country. But you don't have a creche"

For all Mike's issues does he seem like the kind of person who would buy a team airplane to improve travel but not make changes at the training facility if he got feedback from an agent that the complex was the reason an FA went elsewhere?

It's just more hate porn to fantasize that we are losing out on players because the gym is a 7 instead of a 10.
You are a homer with no ability to fairly criticize this team's ownership. It's okay to own up to that. I own up to hyperbole at times and being a bulldog over certain issues. Hell, I even managed to offer a minor mea culpa to DVontel the other day. Can you ever, just once, not criticize someone who criticizes ownership? It's becoming cliché at this point.
 

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Facts are not spin.

Unless you know of a player that hasn't signed for us due to the facilities? Or even know of any player in the history of the NFL that has said the training facilities are a key factor in their decision making?
Facts are, when have the Cardinals landed a "major free agent"? I'm sure it may have happened but nobody comes to mind.
They basically sign middling players that are just looking for jobs. Unless you consider the likes of Stewart Bradley a major free agent.

But Mikey B. years ago said he can't wait to go toe to toe with the likes of Daniel Snyder when he gets his new stadium.
 

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Facts are, when have the Cardinals landed a "major free agent"? I'm sure it may have happened but nobody comes to mind.
They basically sign middling players that are just looking for jobs. Unless you consider the likes of Stewart Bradley a major free agent.
His reply will be Watt, who was in the twilight of his career.
 

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This is not a defense of Bidwill in any way, merely a question.

How deep does an owner get into the day-to-day stuff? Could these policies be something stemming from Keim or former operations people? It seems to strange to call someone cheap when he’s one of the few owners to own a team plane and, as mentioned, he dropped millions a few years back to spruce up the facility.

Has MB ever been in the weight room? That sort of thing is usually way under the radar of a CEO.
 
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Would it require NFL knowledge to know if one player in the history of the NFL has even mentioned not signing somewhere because of facilities?

Were not talking crap stained walls, busted toilets, rats infestations and prison food. The Cardinals facility, but any reasonable standards, are still very good. Are they the fanciest most complete full service facilities in the league? No they are not. But no player is

But it's silly to think players are turning down coming here because we don't offer day care or our only 7 years old gym floor needs replacing. The gym, canteen and locker room were all fully replaced in 2015.

"Sorry man. I love the team, the coach, the QB, the weather and the state tax is one of the lowest in the country. But you don't have a creche"

For all Mike's issues does he seem like the kind of person who would buy a team airplane to improve travel but not make changes at the training facility if he got feedback from an agent that the complex was the reason an FA went elsewhere?

It's just more hate porn to fantasize that we are losing out on players because the gym is a 7 instead of a 10.
Plenty of people across all sports cite the facilities when joining a team though. One of the primary reasons college's spend so much money on them is as a recrutitng tool. If you're a Free Agent or a UFDA and you have the choice of going to work everyday in a a state of the art facitity, or one that by their standards is sub-par (an I acknowledge that's a relative term in this context, we're not saying the weight room is like Planet Fitness) it will be a consideration. Or, you're moving to a new city and you know there are on-site childcare faciltities - great, that is one less thing for you to worry about. Sure, you may go out and enroll them somewhere else eventually but you know there is something there until then.

They are a place of work, and as people have mentioned there are plenty of reasons why companies spend big on improving office facilities - and part of that is attracting top talent
- https://www.wework.com/ideas/workspace-solutions/flexible-products/office-space-top-talent
- https://www.forbes.com/sites/alanko...e-impacts-employee-wellbeing/?sh=5bdc99d864f3

The food thing.... I get the everyone else pays for food, why shouldn't millionaires arguement. But the issue here is that we are the only team to do this - that is not a good look and adds to the perception of being cheap.
 

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Plenty of people across all sports cite the facilities when joining a team though. One of the primary reasons college's spend so much money on them is as a recrutitng tool. If you're a Free Agent or a UFDA and you have the choice of going to work everyday in a a state of the art facitity, or one that by their standards is sub-par (an I acknowledge that's a relative term in this context, we're not saying the weight room is like Planet Fitness) it will be a consideration. Or, you're moving to a new city and you know there are on-site childcare faciltities - great, that is one less thing for you to worry about. Sure, you may go out and enroll them somewhere else eventually but you know there is something there until then.

They are a place of work, and as people have mentioned there are plenty of reasons why companies spend big on improving office facilities - and part of that is attracting top talent
- https://www.wework.com/ideas/workspace-solutions/flexible-products/office-space-top-talent
- https://www.forbes.com/sites/alanko...e-impacts-employee-wellbeing/?sh=5bdc99d864f3

The food thing.... I get the everyone else pays for food, why shouldn't millionaires arguement. But the issue here is that we are the only team to do this - that is not a good look and adds to the perception of being cheap.
Stop being rational and using logic on this issue. We know beyond a shadow of a doubt that this is the case and that it has made a difference in FA. Well, most of us do, anyway.
 
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It’s not about if players can afford to pay for meals. It’s more about how much a team values its players and tries to makes them feel appreciated. You have to weigh the cost against the impression. If other teams provide these perks wouldn’t you think players would feel disadvantaged being part of the Cards “family.”
 

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This is not a defense of Bidwill in any way, merely a question.

How deep does an owner get into the day-to-day stuff? Could these policies be something stemming from Keim or former operations people? It seems to strange to call someone cheap when he’s one of the few owners to own a team plane and, as mentioned, he dropped millions a few years back to spruce up the facility.

Has MB ever been in the weight room? That sort of thing is usually way under the radar of a CEO.
This owner is deeply involved in the day-to-day. Others aren’t as much.

The players don’t care who owns the plane; I’m guessing charter flights are collectively bargained. The article says the plane Michael bought was worse than the charter.

I’ve seen CEOs and founders obsess over seating charts and paint swatches. This is Michael’s only job..
 

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Players don't think it's important. This survey isn't players saying it's important.

They were asked to answer a questionnaire.

If players thought it was important nobody would sign here and our own players wouldn't re-sign here.

On a players list of importance none of this makes the top 10.
Training facilities?? Please don't tell me that's what you're referring to because I'd be willing to bet my life savings you're 100% wrong BC. That's just ridiculous. I'm sorry.
 

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I have to wonder if the COVID season of no fans just bankrupted him or something. They get all of their money from their NFL team. There are no other revenue streams.
Rojo Hospitality! Although I doubt that’s profitable.

Bidwill’s house in that video looked off. A nice spot but not nearly on the level of an owner of an NFL football team.

My guess is if this Gannon thing goes up in flames quick the family looks to sell. Nobody in that family has the business acumen to build off the team and diversify into cash flow assets.
 

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Someone on Twitter made a good point about charging in the offseason. If a player works out on his own and get injured, the team can void the contract. So they are pretty much forced to workout at the facility in what is considered a horrible facility to train, while being charged for meals to be in a place they don't want to be. It makes no sense to not create an off season environment that players want to be at. Micheal needs to sell.
 

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The players said the plane they got was worse than the charters they were taking before.

Cheap dudes who love planes buy one that’s worse and try to gaslight their employees that they’re getting something better. Get an asset and a tax sink.

This is a prime example of how crap these polls are.

What it actually said was "This past season the Club switched to a smaller plane, which limited the number of lay down seats so many players have worse seats and less space now."

The plane last year was the Boeing 777-200ER that they bought towards the end of 2021. The Patriots have two smaller 767's.

The 777-200ER is the 6th largest plane in the world and has 28 lie flat seats. The only planes that have considerably more are the 747-8 and Airbus 320.

Damn you Michael for only having the 6th largest plane in the world.

This is primo player BS. They get their own plane, own in flight catering, about 3 seats each, no toilet queues and they moan there are ONLY 28 Lie flat beds. ******* diddums.
 

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