Caleb Downs

[vince56]

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The more I watch this guy the more I am probably going to try to watch every NFL game he plays. He seems to have a pass cover range similar to Earl Thomas or Ed Reed and a run stuffing ability of Adrian Wilson, in one player.

Absolute eye-catching stuff to see from a college safety. IDK if you draft a safety at 3, but this kid is a great prospect.

 

[Stout]

He's my 3rd choice at #3.

 

[Chopper0080]

He's my 3rd choice at #3.

Budda Baker at 3 is wild

 

[Chopper0080]

Downs has 6 career ints at Ohio St. Baker had 5 at Washington.

 

[Stout]

Budda Baker at 3 is wild

Okay bro.

 

[oaken1]

dude has great instincts...run the pick up at 34

 

[Harry]

He’ll go top 12, but not worth a three. He’d have to be Hall of Fame to go 3. He’s very good, but unless they’re trading Baker Downs is a luxury.

 

[Chopper0080]

Okay bro.

Where is it wrong?

The size difference isn't much. Both are size mismatches for large TEs. Both are best in the box using their instincts/diagnosing skills to make plays, especially in the run. Both have similar turnover creation stats over their college careers. Budda ran a 4.45 at the combine. I would imagine if Downs was going to run a significantly faster 40, he would have run.

 

[SECTION 11]

Yeah he’s really good for sure. What a luxury pick for anyone that gets him.

 

[outcent13]

Maybe if this team started drafting studs regardless of position instead of over drafting “priority” positions we wouldn’t suck all the time.

Downs or Love? I don’t care what position they play, take the best player.

 

[Chopper0080]

Maybe if this team started drafting studs regardless of position instead of over drafting “priority” positions we wouldn’t suck all the time.

Downs or Love? I don’t care what position they play, take the best player.

Budda Baker is an 8 time pro bowler and 4 time all pro selection at the same position. Where has it gotten the Cardinals?

 

[MadCardDisease]

Budda Baker is an 8 time pro bowler and 4 time all pro selection at the same position. Where has it gotten the Cardinals?

Yeah I don't see how taking a Safety at #3 overall helps the Cardinals get over the hump. They have so many other bigger needs.

 

[Chopper0080]

Yeah I don't see how taking a Safety at #3 overall helps the Cardinals get over the hump. They have so many other bigger needs.

There is a similar argument against Love.

What did CMC get the Panthers? Barkley the Giants? Josh Jacobs the Raiders?

Counter point could be Gibbs but I think he went 12.

It's a multi faceted argument, but history says that teams drafting RBs in the top 10 don't see much benefit.

 

[outcent13]

Budda Baker is an 8 time pro bowler and 4 time all pro selection at the same position. Where has it gotten the Cardinals?

We had better years with Budda in his prime than with PJJ in his. Drafted a QB with the first pick how did that go? Another QB the year before in the top ten how about that? Levi Brown at 5 did that work out? Shall I go on?

 

[Stout]

Budda Baker is an 8 time pro bowler and 4 time all pro selection at the same position. Where has it gotten the Cardinals?

I love how you're just crowing his ceiling as BB. I can do hyperbole too: I wonder how Ed Reed would help the Cardinals?

 

[Shane]

I love how you're just crowing his ceiling as BB. I can do hyperbole too: I wonder how Ed Reed would help the Cardinals?

Considering Budda Baker was nowhere even close to an Ed Reed type of player… not even in the same hemisphere.

 

[Stout]

Considering Budda Baker was nowhere even close to an Ed Reed type of player… not even in the same hemisphere.

Now you're doing it too. Downs IS NOT BB!!! If Downs becomes BB, sure, that's not a #3 overall player. If he becomes Ed Reed, he'd be worth a passel of #3s. People throwing around how they KNOW he's BB is asinine. I don't know if he's Ed Reed either, or if he's somewhere in between, but IMO I'd maybe like the team to find out.

 

[Shane]

Now you're doing it too. Downs IS NOT BB!!! If Downs becomes BB, sure, that's not a #3 overall player. If he becomes Ed Reed, he'd be worth a passel of #3s. People throwing around how they KNOW he's BB is asinine. I don't know if he's Ed Reed either, or if he's somewhere in between, but IMO I'd maybe like the team to find out.

Doing what? I agree with you. You can’t see that in what I said? Lol

 

[Chopper0080]

I love how you're just crowing his ceiling as BB. I can do hyperbole too: I wonder how Ed Reed would help the Cardinals?

The conversation is what is most likely and what is considered meeting expectations. You are taking the Budda Baker comp as a knock for some reason.

So here is the question...how likely do you feel it is that Caleb Downs is drafted at 3, has 8 pro bowl appearances and 4 all pro selections in his first 9 seasons, all as a Cardinal? Do you think that is a likely outcome? Because if not, and is Downs doesn't achieve that, you just invested the #3 pick in the draft for a player less accomplished than Budda Baker.

The lack of appreciation for the career Budda Baker has had on this site is wild. He is a ring of honor player. He has been wildly successful. If he is a disappointment to anyone, they should stay the hell away from drafting Caleb Downs because it is essentially HOF career or bust. HOFs are the only guys better than Baker.

 

[Chopper0080]

Now you're doing it too. Downs IS NOT BB!!! If Downs becomes BB, sure, that's not a #3 overall player. If he becomes Ed Reed, he'd be worth a passel of #3s. People throwing around how they KNOW he's BB is asinine. I don't know if he's Ed Reed either, or if he's somewhere in between, but IMO I'd maybe like the team to find out.

You are arguing that if Downs gets 8 pro bowls and 4 all pro selections in his first 9 years as a Cardinals, he would be a disappointment.

That is a crazy high bar for success.

 

[outcent13]

If any player we draft at number three does half of what Budda did he’ll be the best first round pick we’ve had since Patrick Peterson and it’s not even close. If Downs is that guy then I’m all for it. I’d Love is that guy then I’m all for it. Hell that should be the expectation at #3 not an average edge or offensive lineman.

 

[Stout]

Doing what? I agree with you. You can’t see that in what I said? Lol

Misread that. End of a long week, man. My bag!

 

[Stout]

The conversation is what is most likely and what is considered meeting expectations. You are taking the Budda Baker comp as a knock for some reason.

So here is the question...how likely do you feel it is that Caleb Downs is drafted at 3, has 8 pro bowl appearances and 4 all pro selections in his first 9 seasons, all as a Cardinal? Do you think that is a likely outcome? Because if not, and is Downs doesn't achieve that, you just invested the #3 pick in the draft for a player less accomplished than Budda Baker.

The lack of appreciation for the career Budda Baker has had on this site is wild. He is a ring of honor player. He has been wildly successful. If he is a disappointment to anyone, they should stay the hell away from drafting Caleb Downs because it is essentially HOF career or bust. HOFs are the only guys better than Baker.

I feel Downs is one of the top 4 players in the draft. I can't project his production. I could only dream he'd be as good as Ed Reed.

 

[Stout]

You are arguing that if Downs gets 8 pro bowls and 4 all pro selections in his first 9 years as a Cardinals, he would be a disappointment.

That is a crazy high bar for success.

Uh, no. Try reading again, especially the part where if he turns into Ed Reed he'd be worth a passel of #3s.

But I misread Shane's posts, so I have no stones to throw.

 

[oaken1]

Budda Baker is an 8 time pro bowler and 4 time all pro selection at the same position. Where has it gotten the Cardinals?

Would have gotten us further had we drafted studs 5 years before and after him. Truth.

But Detroit tends to draft studs regardless of position and they haven't done anything either. Also truth.