If only he would hurry up and sign…Beck is our future, for now.
Brissett Wants $15 Million & Cards Say No
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Here's what I don't understand. The Cards don't want to give Brissett more money because they know they'll be moving to Beck eventually. So, what about Beck? Knowing the cards are looking to draft another QB next year?
I have no idea. Wish I knew.
Obviously, the hope is Beck just gets it, has the stuff to be a starting QB in this league, and we don't need to draft yet another QB. That would be ideal.
Everyone is gushing over the QBs who are going to be available in the draft, but it is always a crapshoot, so who knows who will be good and who won't pan out...
kerouac9
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Brissett doesn’t raise the ceiling for this team, but he ABSOLUTELY raises the floor.
We were 3-13 in the Wilks season. In that year we were 2-4 in games decided by a TD or less. It was awful. One game that wasn’t over with an L very early. I started taking an edible before speed-running the game recording.
We were 4-12 in Gannon’s first season. We were 2-5 in games decided by a TD or less.
We were 3-14 last season. We were 2-8 in games decided by a TD or less. At least five of those losses were Brissett starts.
This team is pretty far away from competing for a playoff spot, but we’re not that far from BEING COMPETITIVE. We have a new coach, a bunch of defenders coming back from injury, and a shiny new running back.
Six wins and four close losses feels much better to me than two wins and six close losses.
We were 3-13 in the Wilks season. In that year we were 2-4 in games decided by a TD or less. It was awful. One game that wasn’t over with an L very early. I started taking an edible before speed-running the game recording.
We were 4-12 in Gannon’s first season. We were 2-5 in games decided by a TD or less.
We were 3-14 last season. We were 2-8 in games decided by a TD or less. At least five of those losses were Brissett starts.
This team is pretty far away from competing for a playoff spot, but we’re not that far from BEING COMPETITIVE. We have a new coach, a bunch of defenders coming back from injury, and a shiny new running back.
Six wins and four close losses feels much better to me than two wins and six close losses.
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How does a QB that went 1-11 raise our floor? Does raising the floor mean losing by 21 instead of 30?
Brissette was clearly better for this team than Murray offensively in 2025 under DP, but he didn’t raise the floor last year.
Brissette was clearly better for this team than Murray offensively in 2025 under DP, but he didn’t raise the floor last year.
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Didn’t he? The offense went from 20.6 ppg under Murray to 21 ppg under Brissett (with almost no RB support — Conner went down in week 3; Benson went out in Week 4).
It wasn’t Jacoby’s fault that the defense went from surrendering 19.2 ppg to 32.6 ppg. Maybe some small amount of that is Jacoby being less stingy with the ball, but surely not all of it.
The Cards were 23rd in scoring offense. I’d argue that’s close to the floor (Love/Coach Good Hang may offer additional upside). The floor with Beck is probably closer to the 16.7 ppg we had with Tune and the Passtronaut or the 16.4 ppg put up by the Browns last year.
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Via ChatGPT:
If I were ranking the 2025 starting quarterbacks specifically on late-game performance (one-score games in the fourth quarter and overtime), I’d combine:
That produces something like this:
*If counting quarterbacks who started enough games to qualify.
Where Brissett struggled
Compared with the average NFL starter:
Why teams still like Brissett
Despite those numbers, Brissett still has qualities coaches value:
His ceiling, however, has generally been viewed as a high-end backup/low-end starter, not someone who consistently wins games late.
Bottom line
If you asked NFL front offices after the 2025 season to draft a quarterback for one final drive with the season on the line, Brissett would almost certainly have been selected in the bottom quarter of starters, likely around 28th–32nd. His 2025 situational statistics and Arizona’s 1–5 record in one-score fourth-quarter games support that assessment.
If I were ranking the 2025 starting quarterbacks specifically on late-game performance (one-score games in the fourth quarter and overtime), I’d combine:
- Game-winning drives (GWD)
- Fourth-quarter comebacks (4QC)
- Efficiency in one-score fourth quarters
- Turnover avoidance
- EPA/QBR in high-leverage situations (where available)
- Team success in close games
That produces something like this:
| Tier | Quarterbacks |
| S+ (Best in NFL) | Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes, Matthew Stafford |
| S | Joe Burrow, Jayden Daniels, Bo Nix |
| A | Jared Goff, Justin Herbert, Jalen Hurts, Jordan Love |
| B+ | Brock Purdy, Baker Mayfield, Dak Prescott, Lamar Jackson |
| B | Trevor Lawrence, Geno Smith, Caleb Williams, Drake Maye |
| C+ | Kyler Murray, C.J. Stroud, Tua Tagovailoa, Sam Darnold |
| C | Aaron Rodgers, Bryce Young, Russell Wilson, Anthony Richardson |
| D | Justin Fields, Derek Carr, Daniel Jones, Will Levis |
| F | Jacoby Brissett, Deshaun Watson, Davis Mills, Aidan O’Connell* |
*If counting quarterbacks who started enough games to qualify.
Where Brissett struggled
Compared with the average NFL starter:
| Metric | Average Starter | Brissett |
| Completion % (close 4Q) | ~65–68% | 58.0% |
| Passer Rating | ~90–95 | 77.6 |
| Team Record | Roughly .500 | 1–5 |
| TD:INT | Usually 2:1 or better | 1:1 |
Why teams still like Brissett
Despite those numbers, Brissett still has qualities coaches value:
- Rarely puts the ball in danger overall.
- Good pre-snap recognition.
- Well respected in the locker room.
- Can execute an offense without many mental mistakes.
- Good backup and bridge quarterback.
His ceiling, however, has generally been viewed as a high-end backup/low-end starter, not someone who consistently wins games late.
Bottom line
If you asked NFL front offices after the 2025 season to draft a quarterback for one final drive with the season on the line, Brissett would almost certainly have been selected in the bottom quarter of starters, likely around 28th–32nd. His 2025 situational statistics and Arizona’s 1–5 record in one-score fourth-quarter games support that assessment.
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Def not a perfect assessment: the chat put players who didn’t play in 2025. I’ll see if I can improve output.
LoyaltyisaCurse
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After re-verifying the 2025 season, I would revise the comparison substantially. One important caveat is that the NFL does not publish a league-wide leaderboard for its proprietary “4th Quarter Within 7” split, so an exact 1-through-32 ranking by that metric alone isn’t available. Instead, I’ve combined:
Here’s how I’d classify the 2025 primary starters specifically for “game on the line” performance:
Where Brissett fits
Compared with the average 2025 starter:
Revised conclusion
After correcting the data:
I can also produce a fully ranked 1–32 list with supporting statistics (game-winning drives, fourth-quarter comebacks, one-score passer rating where available, and overall passer rating) for every primary 2025 starter if you’re looking for a complete ordered ranking rather than tiers.
- NFL “4th Quarter Within 7” situational stats (where available)
- Game-winning drives (GWD)
- Fourth-quarter comebacks (4QC)
- Overall 2025 quarterback performance
- Verified 2025 primary starters and team results
Here’s how I’d classify the 2025 primary starters specifically for “game on the line” performance:
| Tier | Quarterbacks | Why |
| Elite | Josh Allen, Matthew Stafford, Jared Goff, Bo Nix | Outstanding efficiency plus multiple game-winning drives/comebacks. |
| Very Good | Joe Burrow, Baker Mayfield, Jordan Love, Caleb Williams, Trevor Lawrence | Frequently delivered in one-score games and led multiple late victories. |
| Above Average | Lamar Jackson, Dak Prescott, Patrick Mahomes, Drake Maye, Sam Darnold | Good late-game production, though not quite as dominant as the top tier. |
| Average | Justin Herbert, Aaron Rodgers, Jalen Hurts, Jayden Daniels, Justin Fields | Mixed clutch production with several successful late drives but also inconsistency. |
| Below Average | Kyler Murray, Bryce Young, C.J. Stroud, Tua Tagovailoa, Geno Smith | Some late-game success but below-average efficiency or win rate. |
| Lower Tier | Jacoby Brissett, Anthony Richardson, Daniel Jones, Cameron Ward, Aidan O’Connell | Few or no game-winning drives, below-average efficiency in one-score fourth quarters, poor team results. |
Where Brissett fits
Compared with the average 2025 starter:
| Metric | Average Starter | Brissett |
| Overall NFL ranking | — | 24th of 32 |
| 4Q within 7 passer rating | ~90–95 | 77.6 |
| Completion % (4Q within 7) | ~65% | 58.0% |
| Game-winning drives | Most starters had at least one | 0 |
| Fourth-quarter comebacks | Most starters had at least one | 0 |
| One-score starts | Mixed | 0–5 |
Revised conclusion
After correcting the data:
- I no longer think Brissett belongs in the bottom 2–3 starters.
- I do think he belongs in roughly the 24th–28th range when evaluating only 2025 performance.
- His overall passing season (23 TD, 8 INT) was respectable, but his late-game performance lagged well behind most established starters, primarily because Arizona failed to convert close games into wins.
I can also produce a fully ranked 1–32 list with supporting statistics (game-winning drives, fourth-quarter comebacks, one-score passer rating where available, and overall passer rating) for every primary 2025 starter if you’re looking for a complete ordered ranking rather than tiers.
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Neither does Monti which is the sad part.
And he probably uses chat GPT to help him make decisions.
Wait!!! When did Chuck Harris become the local media? He's just a dude that posts whatever is on his mind. The guy has zero insiders. The only person that follows him is 602
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But he's his own agent so yeah he has an agent, it's just him.
Well, he does have a degree in Communications. We'll see how well that serves him acting as his own agent.
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kerouac9
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That’s for the heads up not to read the rest of your post
kerouac9
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No you’re right. Wasn’t there a Harris who was a host here locally?
This guy just formally wrote for CardsWire. LOL. Finally got me.
some dumb guy
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Are there metrics that account for injuries, such as a QB playing with 3rd or 4th string players? Not trying to be an ass. You found new data to adjust the results of the first post. Very impressive. I just think last year is such an outlier year. Brissett had a career year yet went 1-11. So, having 1st or even 2nd string running backs on the field must make a difference, defensive health has to play some role in the outcome of the data.
Again, I'm just a fan. But this is interesting information, thanks.
So they're a hair better offensively with the same defense that gives up 150% of the points you score. Still a losing combo and that's not accounting for how brutal the schedule is. It's not Jacoby's fault for the defense but that doesn't mean you have to pay the guy when the results are going to be the same and when you know that you have to try out Beck for part of the season to see what you have before next year's draft.
kerouac9
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Both Beck and Minshew are significantly worse than Kyler or Brissett.
Pay him as a low-level starter. The defense and running game will be substantially better. It’s not your money; what are you concerned about?
LoyaltyisaCurse
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If only it had a Twitter account with the requisite number of followers
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I’m sure it’s possible but that’s gonna take far more time and effort than it’s worth. Because it’s a little bit harder to verify that information and even if I could use ChatGPT for it, it probably still take me a half a day to get it to recognizing inputs requests. but I’m sure it’s possible.
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What evidence is there to base that on given Rallis performance last year? Definitely seems like he lost the team in the second half.
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I think too many people are siding with the media to be safe and riding the suck train. The offense will be better due to the new additions at RB and offensive line. The defensive injuries are healed and should provide a much better result. Even the "stat man", K9 is showing heart and optimism for the upcoming season. With JB, we win around 8. Yes, that sucks for next year if Beck doesn't work out. But what's Beck's incentive knowing the cards are looking to draft another QB next year if we only throw up 2 wins?
