Bradley Beal Departure Thread

[Mainstreet]

What do mean a half season more? Yes, Ishbia saves money but the Suns don't. Cap figures aren't broken like that. Whether he's waived and stretched today or 6 months from now, the amount is spread over 5 years and the salary this season doesn't change because we paid a portion because part of the season elapsed.

A 3-year buyout and stretch is nearly as bad if the Suns keep Beal this season.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Its not all about offense as our defense was terrible. We added in some height and length. Our centers are definite upgrades already on both ends, KD's weak side help coverage made him look good on defense with our washed up centers. Also gone is iso ball, which killed our offensive sets. I look at it as addition by subtraction, KD's style of play eventually became the identity of the suns and it was not fun.

If you're purely looking at replacing your KD offense at 27ppg, Green counts for 20. I'm sure 7 points can come from our new rim runners and lob threats which is something we did not have at all last year. And this also gives us a legit inside-out threat to our offense, again which is something we did not have last year.

Not sure you can definitively say iso ball is gone when both Booker and Green play a ton of iso ball and neither is a guy who can run a good offense.

 

[BooksOrangePlanet]

call beal to the ishigan state building for an impromptu emergency meeting - have the doors "malfunction" when he arrives leaving him to wait in the 118° weather for however long he can wait - he won't comeback lol

 

[Phrazbit]

The only motivation Beal has for accepting a buyout to help the Suns is that he can pick a new team and get a decent contract from them. If we hold onto him entering the season, we’re going to be stuck with him for another full year.

 

[BooksOrangePlanet]

just as i suggested yesterday - only thing holding up the beal deal is beal deciding where he's going

 

[95pro]

Not sure you can definitively say iso ball is gone when both Booker and Green play a ton of iso ball and neither is a guy who can run a good offense.

Okay KD's brand of iso ball is gone

 

[Yuma]

I'm not sure if it works that way, but the Suns have to do what is best for their future.

I have seen videos where you could have done the buy out, and then stretch, at the time when you normally buy out guys towards the end of the season. Of course you have to pay Beal between now and then, and have the distraction of playing him or not, but the advantage is you don't have to go through the waiting of him picking a team. You just do the buy out and say, clean out your locker, thanks for playing with us!

 

[Yuma]

A 3-year buyout and stretch is nearly as bad if the Suns keep Beal this season.

It's two years less. and also not during Booker's extension as much.

 

[Yuma]

just as i suggested yesterday - only thing holding up the beal deal is beal deciding where he's going

This guy is SO indecisve. You have 4 cities. Pick one you don't like. Boom, down to three cities. It's not that hard to do. I think we will find out something stupid is going on with this process. Some day someone is going to spill the beans that him and his wife flew to cities to see which one, etc. LOL.

 

[Yuma]

What do mean a half season more? Yes, Ishbia saves money but the Suns don't. Cap figures aren't broken like that. Whether he's waived and stretched today or 6 months from now, the amount is spread over 5 years and the salary this season doesn't change because we paid a portion because part of the season elapsed.

The amount you have to stretch actually goes down because you strech the remaining money. The buy out wouldn't work with Beal taking less if we end up streching the same amount anyway. That's the whole point.

 

[Hoop Head]

It's two years less. and also not during Booker's extension as much.

Not really because it requires eating this year. Making it a case of 4 vs 5 years overall. If we keep him then we may as well keep the salary full and let it expire after next year vs stretching it.

 

[Yuma]

Not really because it requires eating this year. Making it a case of 4 vs 5 years overall. If we keep him then we may as well keep the salary full and let it expire after next year vs stretching it.

Watch any of the Brendon Kleen podcasts, or that cap guy, I always forget his name, Marc Stein? They go through all the options. It would be a 3 year if we payed a year more. Then you have the advantage of not having to take less from Beal and just booting him, and it is spread out two years fewer.

Basically the more you pay him, you have less years, or even less money if you do it his last season as an expiring contract during the season.

 

[Hoop Head]

The amount you have to stretch actually goes down because you strech the remaining money. The buy out wouldn't work with Beal taking less if we end up streching the same amount anyway. That's the whole point.

I think you're misunderstanding how stretching is done. The full season figure is what is accounted for and not what portion remains in the season. So if we waived and stretched him halfway through the year we will have paid $25 million or so of his $50 million salary, the stretch amount doesn't equal what's left of the year. The stretched figure is always the full year's salary even if part has been paid. The cap figure is what matters and that doesn't really change unless a buyout is done where Beal sacrifices salary and the buyout amount is equally distributed over the life of the deal.

 

[Hoop Head]

Watch any of the Brendon Kleen podcasts, or that cap guy, I always forget his name, Marc Stein? They go through all the options. It would be a 3 year if we payed a year more. Then you have the advantage of not having to take less from Beal and just booting him, and it is spread out two years fewer.

Got a link?

I still believe you're missing or not counting this season when totaling what the Suns are responsible for. I understand we may not need a buyout after this year but if that were the case then we definitely shouldn't stretch him as we can eat the final year and be done.

 

[Yuma]

I think you're misunderstanding how stretching is done. The full season figure is what is accounted for and not what portion remains in the season. So if we waived and stretched him halfway through the year we will have paid $25 million or so of his $50 million salary, the stretch amount doesn't equal what's left of the year. The stretched figure is always the full year's salary even if part has been paid. The cap figure is what matters and that doesn't really change unless a buyout is done where Beal sacrifices salary and the buyout amount is equally distributed over the life of the deal.

Technically, if what you say is true, the buy out would NEVER work because you would have to use the whole season's salary, even if it Beal paid us back salary. The paying back salary option would not work if the first part of what you say is true. That's how they came up with this loop hole of the player sending money back in the first place.

 

[Yuma]

Got a link?

I still believe you're missing or not counting this season when totaling what the Suns are responsible for. I understand we may not need a buyout after this year but if that were the case then we definitely shouldn't stretch him as we can eat the final year and be done.

Dude any of the Bendon Kleen videos in the last couple weeks. They have beat the numbers to death on this. All the options. Brendon had to explain it to his cohost who didn't understand it. I have been listening to this for weeks.

 

[Hoop Head]

Dude any of the Bendon Kleen videos in the last couple weeks. They have beat the numbers to death on this. All the options. Brendon had to explain it to his cohost who didn't understand it. I have been listening to this for weeks.

I've watched Kleen's podcast and I still think we're talking past each other.

There's the 2025-26 season, which is coming up, and that will count regardless. Then if we stretch him then he's on the books for the 27, 28, and 29 seasons. Which is 4 years of paying him, since 26 is included. The cap figure for this year doesn't shrink because there's no buyout. This season does count overall though and there's no way around it. This would be the worst possible plan, IMO, since we could be done with it next year by eating what is left vs stretching it. That puts the Beal saga behind us.

If we buy him out and stretch him during this season then he's on the books for the 26, 27, 28, 29, and 30 seasons. That's the 2 years remaining times 2 and plus 1. Either way we're paying him for a long time and no option is great. There's really nothing in between paying him his owed money on time, which is for the 26 and 27 seasons, and a minimum of 4 years if he's stretched.

 

[Mainstreet]

I have seen videos where you could have done the buy out, and then stretch, at the time when you normally buy out guys towards the end of the season. Of course you have to pay Beal between now and then, and have the distraction of playing him or not, but the advantage is you don't have to go through the waiting of him picking a team. You just do the buy out and say, clean out your locker, thanks for playing with us!

The Suns could buy Beal both then and now. It's their decision.

The issue is him taking less money so they could stretch his contract to get under the tax aprons.

Phoenix already has dead money on their books, so he would have to take less money to stretch his contract.

Also, the Suns are allowing Beal to find a team where he wants to go so he will accept less money in a buyout and allow him to make up for the money difference.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

What do mean a half season more? Yes, Ishbia saves money but the Suns don't. Cap figures aren't broken like that. Whether he's waived and stretched today or 6 months from now, the amount is spread over 5 years and the salary this season doesn't change because we paid a portion because part of the season elapsed.

But it does give us more flexibility the remainder of the offseason. Whether that is for potential trades or free agent signings, it could be beneficial.

 

[Mainstreet]

Fred Katz of the Athletic talks about the Bradley Beal situation.

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[Yuma]

I've watched Kleen's podcast and I still think we're talking past each other.

There's the 2025-26 season, which is coming up, and that will count regardless. Then if we stretch him then he's on the books for the 27, 28, and 29 seasons. Which is 4 years of paying him, since 26 is included. The cap figure for this year doesn't shrink because there's no buyout. This season does count overall though and there's no way around it. This would be the worst possible plan, IMO, since we could be done with it next year by eating what is left vs stretching it. That puts the Beal saga behind us.

If we buy him out and stretch him during this season then he's on the books for the 26, 27, 28, 29, and 30 seasons. That's the 2 years remaining times 2 and plus 1. Either way we're paying him for a long time and no option is great. There's really nothing in between paying him his owed money on time, which is for the 26 and 27 seasons, and a minimum of 4 years if he's stretched.

The difference I am talking about and Kleen, is if you let him play or sit for a year. Then you only owe him $57. You don't have to have him take less because it will be under the 15% and it's less years.

It does open a roster spot. They have one open already. It kind of hints they may have some moves coming. Or just want to be flexible if an opportunity opens up.

 

[Mainstreet]

It appears the buyout on Bradley Beal is still on per Gambo. And the Suns will likely use the opening for a point or combo guard.

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[BooksOrangePlanet]

gambo: beal deal done in next 48 hrs

also gambo:

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[BooksOrangePlanet]

maybe beal still doesn't have any takers - even at his insanely reduced cost

 

[Mainstreet]

maybe beal still doesn't have any takers - even at his insanely reduced cost

I think Beal will have a number of takers. He is probably picking out the jersey he likes best.