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I miss the days when actual Wildcats were posting in this forum with good information for football and basketball.
 

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I miss the days when actual Wildcats were posting in this forum with good information for football and basketball.
Well when there is good information, I'm sure you'll see that. But there hasn't been good information in a long time.
 

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I think you probably nailed it. They had to make sure they had the 3 freshman on board first. Cynically, there is something called a "bait and switch". Just a guess, I have no clue about the deadlines, etc., but probably timed to lessen damage to recruiting.


I meant last years, Green, Mannion and Nnaji. I'm saying from the outside it looks like they thought last year might be a really good team with those 3 kids, so they didn't want to self impose last year. Unless there's some new info in the notice of allegations, if they really did this because of serious lapses in judgement, that happened quite awhile ago and they knew about it for quite awhile.

Generally schools self impose to try and make it look better, we're taking a hit on our own to show the NCAA we're serious. the problem to me is this looks like they simply picked a year they don't expect to be very good, and/or think the season might not be finished anyways due to Covid so might as well self impose?

Maybe there's other stuff they know about that I don't but based on what I'm aware of the timing seems odd.

Just like how in Sept Coach K was saying they HAD to play this season for the good of the kids, then his team started slowly and suddenly he wants to end the season.
 

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I think you probably nailed it. They had to make sure they had the 3 freshman on board first. Cynically, there is something called a "bait and switch". Just a guess, I have no clue about the deadlines, etc., but probably timed to lessen damage to recruiting.

And if this is the case, if I'm a recruit, I sue for fraud.

This is the NCAA equivalent of a guilty plea, which means that the University, its athletic department and the basketball coaching staff have been lying to recruits, the public and the Regents for at least 3 years with all the BS about Miller's innocence.

People need to be held accountable for this.
 
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So devils' advocate why did they wait until now? I assume they mean Book and Pasternack talking about lack of judgement and clearly they knew about that stuff ages ago.

A cynic would suggest the 3 touted freshmen last year convinced them they might be able to win lots of games so they didn't do it then.

The lawyers advised Arizona to impose a penalty on the Book guilty plea of bribery because it’s a Level 1 violation whether Arizona knew of his dealings or not. It has something to do with the IARP because it’s out of the NCAA hands at this point. I think self imposing penalties is kind of pointless anyway.
 

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And if this is the case, if I'm a recruit, I sue for fraud.

This is the NCAA equivalent of a guilty plea, which means that the University, its athletic department and the basketball coaching staff have been lying to recruits, the public and the Regents for at least 3 years with all the BS about Miller's innocence.

People need to be held accountable for this.

Every recruit or transfer who committed to AZ the last 3 years knew this was a possibility.
 

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Every recruit or transfer who committed to AZ the last 3 years knew this was a possibility.

But they also saw the University and Program profess Miller's innocence and then admit his guilt after they came here. IF in fact this was a bait and switch, there should be hell to pay. Frankly, there should be hell to pay, anyway. I am beyond shocked that Miller hasn't been fired for cause...though with this President and AD, I guess nothing should shock me anymore.

Thank goodness for Adia Barnes. The women's basketball team is the only source of pride we have left.
 

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The lawyers advised Arizona to impose a penalty on the Book guilty plea of bribery because it’s a Level 1 violation whether Arizona knew of his dealings or not. It has something to do with the IARP because it’s out of the NCAA hands at this point. I think self imposing penalties is kind of pointless anyway.

Which is all the more what makes it a true admission of guilt...after years of professing innocence...
 

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And if this is the case, if I'm a recruit, I sue for fraud.


Seriously doubt that would happen I think every kid that has committed to UA in the last 3 classes knew about this. Right now I'm skeptical there will be an NCAA tourney, if there is, unlikely UA was going to get very far but
But they also saw the University and Program profess Miller's innocence and then admit his guilt after they came here. IF in fact this was a bait and switch, there should be hell to pay. Frankly, there should be hell to pay, anyway. I am beyond shocked that Miller hasn't been fired for cause...though with this President and AD, I guess nothing should shock me anymore.

Thank goodness for Adia Barnes. The women's basketball team is the only source of pride we have left.


They didn't admit any guilt by Miller they admitted guilt by Book and either Phelps or Pasternack, who were all gone so none of them could have been telling arizona recruits this wouldn't happen.
 

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Seriously doubt that would happen I think every kid that has committed to UA in the last 3 classes knew about this. Right now I'm skeptical there will be an NCAA tourney, if there is, unlikely UA was going to get very far but



They didn't admit any guilt by Miller they admitted guilt by Book and either Phelps or Pasternack, who were all gone so none of them could have been telling arizona recruits this wouldn't happen.

Institutional control. Book, Phelps and Pasternak's actions fall back on Miller.
 

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So devils' advocate why did they wait until now? I assume they mean Book and Pasternack talking about lack of judgement and clearly they knew about that stuff ages ago.

A cynic would suggest the 3 touted freshmen last year convinced them they might be able to win lots of games so they didn't do it then.

I was just passing the information along.
 

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But they also saw the University and Program profess Miller's innocence and then admit his guilt after they came here. IF in fact this was a bait and switch, there should be hell to pay. Frankly, there should be hell to pay, anyway. I am beyond shocked that Miller hasn't been fired for cause...though with this President and AD, I guess nothing should shock me anymore.

Thank goodness for Adia Barnes. The women's basketball team is the only source of pride we have left.

If they were firing Miller it would’ve happened already. They want him to be the coach (which is a separate argument as to why). The only coach caught up in this that got fired was Pitino and there were issues for him beyond the legal stuff.
 

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Institutional control. Book, Phelps and Pasternak's actions fall back on Miller.

Book’s conviction and “lack of institutional control” are two separate violations leveled by the NCAA. You can’t argue a guilty plea...

The timing and legal aspect of this is above my understanding but it’s from the higher administration it seems.

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And if this is the case, if I'm a recruit, I sue for fraud.

This is the NCAA equivalent of a guilty plea, which means that the University, its athletic department and the basketball coaching staff have been lying to recruits, the public and the Regents for at least 3 years with all the BS about Miller's innocence.

People need to be held accountable for this.

What have they been lying about?
 
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This was a total strategic move by the University. This team is a fringe tourney team, but should be really good next year. The team wasnt going to avoid a postseason ban after what the NCAA did to OkState. Might as well rip the bandadge off when the team isnt as good and the tournament will be in shambles anyway.

I dont agree with self-imposed ban, but I understand. This is a dice roll for sure. Hopefully, the NCAA doesnt add on an additional year. I'll take a scholarship reduction, fine, and/or Miller suspension in lieu of another year.
 

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