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There has been a notable lack of Kyler’s killing it news so far. Or even Kyler’s been good.
2025 Cardinals Preseason Thread
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GeorgiaCard88
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That last bit rubbed me the wrong way though because it truly lacks any sense of reflection. He is saying "the way it always has been emphasized"- so then if that's case what is changing this year compared to last because if it's not the playcalling, and the roster has not moved- what is going to bring this sub par passing attack to the next level?
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I’d bring a positive out of this & say the defense has been doing what they’re capable of. If Kyler was on a heater, we would be worried about the defense & the upgrades.
Player development and comfort in the system.
And it ain't all that sub par...ranked middle of the pack...so it was just "par"
GeorgiaCard88
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I don't know man- I consider being dead last in 3rd and long pretty sub par. The games I watched last season were a lot of dink and dunk grinding yards. When we needed to ramp up and move the ball down the field or were 3rd and long- this team looked flat and incapable of doing the job.
I'm not saying drew and this roster can't open it up and get things moving- but if the game plan is to copy paste the 2024 offense- we are going to be a 7 to 9 win team that can't beat a playoff team again
Metcalf Rules
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if everything else was stagnant you are probably right.
But it isnt. Our defensive improvements alone are worth 2 more wins a season at least...along the way those defensive improvements are going to get us the ball back more often and result in an increase in offensive snaps...so even rolling it back with the same stagnant offense will result in higher stats because we will have the ball more...toss in a moderate improvement in our "No Longer a Rookie" first round WR and stud young RB...and I bet we move up a few slots in offensive rankings.
situational football is a different beast altogether..first step is to try not to get in situations.....but those third down conversions are going to go up as long as Marv improves.
added comfort will help too...Zay Jones was a nothing burger last season...but dude is ourr most experienced wideout...suspensions and such last season hampered the time he and kyler had to get comfortable with each other...but all this off season they been training together and chillin at the beach house together..building some chemistry..thats going to pay off in some clutch moments.
our offense was semi dull and conservative last season for sure...but even as such our weaknesses were in the details in situational football..experience, comfort, and trust among our skill positions will improve that....the simple increase in third down conversions from dead last to middle of the pack will lift the offense into a solid top ten offense...and thats even with kyler not trusting his receivers enough to throw before their breaks or trying to beat the defense over the top.
Trey McBride has been responsible for nearly all of our explosives...I dont know if you remember...but there was a clip a couple seasons back when Trey first started breaking out..the kid was almost crying when he told the reporter..."I told them,...I know I can do this just give me a chance!"...he basically had to beg Kyler to throw to him in tough situations...then when Kyler did, he proved he could win those battles...since then he is the dude because Kyler has full trust in him...If Marv starts getting that same trust,...and proves it,...that alone will be a serious boost to our offense...we were spoiled as a fan base for over a decade because we all knew one thing for certain on third and long..... throw it to #11 and we get the first down... there is a lot riding on Marv taking a step forward.....
and if Trey Benson earns an increased role in the offense that will be a big boost too...some of it will just be a portion of Conners production moved to another player..but Trey is the most explosive guy on the offense. we start putting him in situations to exploit his 4.3 speed and explosive plays will happen.
like everyone else I think we need a deep threat WR2,..but we should see a lot of improvement in our offense even just by rolling it back.
especially with the improved defense getting us more offensive opportunities by causing three and outs and some takeaways
gimpy
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One of my favorite groups and songs growing up.
I cant tell you how many times I have played that song after a Redbirds win...the overall feeling of it just fits right in with winning a football game....on a sunday afternoon.....
Chopper0080
2021 - Prove It
I tend to place too much credit and/or blame on QBs because of some personal reasons, but IMO this is more of a QB issue. It's why Petzing and Gannon have made it a priority to stay on schedule and limit those situations (which are difficult for every QB not just Kyler). Kyler is absolutely terrible in 3rd and 7+ and 3rd and 10+ statistically.
As an example...
Drake Maye's QB rating as a rookie on
3rd and 7-9 - 69.6
3rd and 10+ - 82.2
Kyler QB rating in same situations is
42.7
68.8
Brock Purdy
89.8
92.6
Daniel Jones
67.7
74.9
Justin Herbert
108.7
91.7
Lamar Jackson
133.3
82.2
Bryce Young
95.7
55.3
Will Levis
46.3
95.8
kerouac9
Klowned by Keim
Big oof to these stats, but context and sample size matter. Kyler had ~63 total plays in these situations last season.
11 resulted in first downs or touchdowns rushing or passing. Nine resulted in a sack or INT. OOF.
Chopper0080
2021 - Prove It
I tried to find a nice variety of experience, ability, and snaps per PFR to attempt to make it as "fair" as possible. And, like a lot of Kyler stats, his number were great in 2021, but have gotten worse since.
No matter how you slice it, this is a turning point year for Kyler. He can finally take that huge next step we all have been waiting for, or he can be the same QB he has shown to be. 4-5 great games, and the rest average or below.
BulldogCard
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Running...with JC, Benson and Murray. I feel Murray will have to run twice as much as last season. His effectiveness feeds off his healthy legs, running threat. The concern is obviously taking contact, injury risk. It still needs to happen. He just doesn't have the height, size for poised pocket presence. He looks nervous in there sometimes. The OL will be big factor with that. Adams, PJJ, Brown and company should be better. Hernandez is also ready to play so they might look at him, but does that hurt the development of Adams? He has to be ready and the coaches have to believe he can get it done. I expect Petzing to open up the play book because of MHJ's increased strength, confidence and development. I also expect more red zone and touchdowns from McBride who is still developing. He has looked good in camp in the red zone and all the scenarios. Benson should also get more touches like 10-12 a game to help the wear on JC. You want JC healthy for the playoffs. This has to be a career season for Kyler Murray and hopefully he just improves his career going forward. The defense looks much improved so far, but the whole team has to prove it on the field. They won 8 games and left a lot on the field. No reason to believe they can't win 9 or 10 games and grab a playoff spot or division title. The other teams in the NFC West have some tough NFC opponents this season. This is the year..that window opening..time to go climb thru and go get it, because next year's schedule could be a harder schedule.
Cardinals training camp: K Chad Ryland has to prove in camp that 2024 was no fluke
Ryland's rookie season was uneven. Last year was great. He has to prove it again in camp with the Cardinals.
WisconsinCard
Herfin BIg Time
Well I will be in attendance for both game which significantly lowers our chances of winning both.
Everyone should have to earn their job
Cardinals training camp: K Chad Ryland has to prove in camp that 2024 was no fluke
Ryland's rookie season was uneven. Last year was great. He has to prove it again in camp with the Cardinals.sports.yahoo.com
Competition brings out the best in people
Bkbobo
Hall of Famer
Any chance that Kyler struggles are from one of the two, either our D line is going to be fire, or they are having the offensive try some new things and they are working out the kinks?
If it is the later, I rather our growing pains be in practice and not in the game..
If it is the later, I rather our growing pains be in practice and not in the game..
Cool & natural grass. I think it’s okay.
WisconsinCard
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I prefer Flagstaff, but that's a good second choice.
SoonerLou
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I'll stand by the lack of DHOP/AJ washed to start 2022 threw that season off (was on a nice trajectory)
Last couple of years are square peg/round hole offense.
And I wanted to move on from Kliff, but I also felt like it was Sean Payton or bust for HIM. He likely needed a QB whisper.
I sensed in 2023 that Monti was focused on having a roster/offense that fits his philosophy. If Kyler proves he can fit it then great. If not the team is well set up for his ideal QB when he can get out of K1s contract.
Marvin Harrison Jr. out of practice with knee soreness, Cardinals don't think it's serious
Cardinals wide receiver Marvin Harrison Jr. will be taking a little time away from the practice field.
www.nbcsports.com
Were the cardinals this is bound to be seriousMarvin Harrison Jr. out of practice with knee soreness, Cardinals don't think it's serious
Cardinals wide receiver Marvin Harrison Jr. will be taking a little time away from the practice field.
phillycard
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Aw man, you've done it now Oaken! New victory song for me!
