2025 2nd round pick #47 is Will Johnson CB

[Goldfield]

So @kerouac9. You keep posting laughing emojis without any counterarguments.

Since you do not add anything it would be fair to assume:

1. That you do not have nothing to add
2. You are unable to articulate any response
3. You truly believe the team was on a superbowl run with Kyler out for 12 games.
4. You are just being you usual condecending self and you defer from commenting because the only way you can actually make your argument stick is by making up a false narritive and blatantly lie as usual.

I'm guessing 4

I blocked him a while ago. It has now become one of my favorite parts of this site watching everyone respond to his nonsense but I don’t have to read any of it.

 

[BACH]

I blocked him a while ago. It has now become one of my favorite parts of this site watching everyone respond to his nonsense but I don’t have to read any of it.

Nah, I would miss out on too much. K9 making stuff up is the biggest source of entertainment here.

 

[oaken1]

Nah, I would miss out on too much. K9 making stuff up is the biggest source of entertainment here.

Damn off season

 

[BigDavis75]

I think the argument is that a team like the Steelers values the importance of winning enough to not tank a roster because they have uncertainty or a lack of talent at the QB position.

Monti could have chosen to retain some players that weren't a long term fit, and spend some money to try to be competitive year 1. Would that have been better long term? I have no idea. Instead he chose to eat cap by aggressively cutting players, and eating cap hits in 2023 and 2024. Is that the best long term plan? I have no idea.

The only thing we do know is the path he chose has led to the record the Cardinals have had since he has been there. Until that record changes (and it can), the franchise is what it has shown itself to be.

On a personal note and speaking for myself, I do get triggered when people try to excuse away the 2023 season. Monti made a choice, and that choice was to focus on other things than winning football games. If you believe in him, you shouldn't shy away from from the consequences of that choice. You should have confidence that it was the best path forward even if it created more pressure to win in the subsequent seasons.

We shouldn’t want to be a team like the Steelers that seems to be permanently residing in mediocrity/barely good enough to compete for a wild card, when was the last time they won a playoff game - 2016?

 

[kerouac9]

We shouldn’t want to be a team like the Steelers that seems to be permanently residing in mediocrity/barely good enough to compete for a wild card, when was the last time they won a playoff game - 2016?

Yes, we should instead aspire to be a team that barely makes the wild Card every five or six years.

 

[Stout]

Yes, we should instead aspire to be a team that barely makes the wild Card every five or six years.

Or--crazy thought--we should aspire to be a team who always makes the playoffs, routinely wins games once in, and challenges for (and hopefully wins) Super Bowls.

 

[kerouac9]

Or--crazy thought--we should aspire to be a team who always makes the playoffs, routinely wins games once in, and challenges for (and hopefully wins) Super Bowls.

Agree, but you can't routinely win games in the playoffs until and unless you're routinely in the playoffs.

We've had this conversation before.

 

[BulldogCard]

In order to do that..got be aggressive, make moves. Teams that win play ball. They don't just sit there mired in mediocrity like the old socialist NFL.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

It's almost as if winning at all costs isn't the #1 priority of the Bidwill family!

 

[kerouac9]

It's almost as if winning at all costs isn't the #1 priority of the Bidwill family!

FTFY

New locker rooms coming in 2027.

 

[PDXChris]

5.
50% of K9's posts are intentional trolls to get folks revved up...
Okay,...65%
But I'm holding there.

72%

69% duh!

 

[kerouac9]

69% duh!

Nice

 

[Stout]

Agree, but you can't routinely win games in the playoffs until and unless you're routinely in the playoffs.

We've had this conversation before.

Apples to oranges. What you allude to here is a team on the upswing, which is what we are striving to be. No one is dumb enough to call the Stillers a team on the upswing.

 

[PACardsFan]

I think the argument is that a team like the Steelers values the importance of winning enough to not tank a roster because they have uncertainty or a lack of talent at the QB position.

Monti could have chosen to retain some players that weren't a long term fit, and spend some money to try to be competitive year 1. Would that have been better long term? I have no idea. Instead he chose to eat cap by aggressively cutting players, and eating cap hits in 2023 and 2024. Is that the best long term plan? I have no idea.

The only thing we do know is the path he chose has led to the record the Cardinals have had since he has been there. Until that record changes (and it can), the franchise is what it has shown itself to be.

On a personal note and speaking for myself, I do get triggered when people try to excuse away the 2023 season. Monti made a choice, and that choice was to focus on other things than winning football games. If you believe in him, you shouldn't shy away from from the consequences of that choice. You should have confidence that it was the best path forward even if it created more pressure to win in the subsequent seasons.

Did people on this board not listen to the goals put forth day 1 by Michael and Monti? They never once said that the goal in 2023 was to put a team together that might bring early success. Over and over again they said sustainable success, sustainable success, sustainable success. They said they would bring in team players and not me players. And they said they would be a draft and develop team. Michael had seen unsustainable success with Whiz, BA, and Kliff. That’s not what he wanted. Even if it took 2-3 years to build, he wanted a GM that would and could build a team that could win over a period of time without hitting rock bottom after 3-4 years. Hopefully that’s the path that Monti is on. 2025 will tell us a lot about this franchise’s direction.

 

[kerouac9]

Did people on this board not listen to the goals put forth day 1 by Michael and Monti? They never once said that the goal in 2023 was to put a team together that might bring early success. Over and over again they said sustainable success, sustainable success, sustainable success. They said they would bring in team players and not me players. And they said they would be a draft and develop team. Michael had seen unsustainable success with Whiz, BA, and Kliff. That’s not what he wanted. Even if it took 2-3 years to build, he wanted a GM that would and could build a team that could win over a period of time without hitting rock bottom after 3-4 years. Hopefully that’s the path that Monti is on. 2025 will tell us a lot about this franchise’s direction.

Monti and Gannon are 12-22. So we have the sustainable sub-mediocrity down. I guess that's easier than the second part.

We'll see. Always next year. 2026 will tell us a lot about where we're going.

 

[Chopper0080]

Apples to oranges. What you allude to here is a team on the upswing, which is what we are striving to be. No one is dumb enough to call the Stillers a team on the upswing.

True, but their downswings are the Cardinals upswings.

 

[Chopper0080]

Did people on this board not listen to the goals put forth day 1 by Michael and Monti? They never once said that the goal in 2023 was to put a team together that might bring early success. Over and over again they said sustainable success, sustainable success, sustainable success. They said they would bring in team players and not me players. And they said they would be a draft and develop team. Michael had seen unsustainable success with Whiz, BA, and Kliff. That’s not what he wanted. Even if it took 2-3 years to build, he wanted a GM that would and could build a team that could win over a period of time without hitting rock bottom after 3-4 years. Hopefully that’s the path that Monti is on. 2025 will tell us a lot about this franchise’s direction.

How was BA’s success not sustainable? Oh because Michael and Steve didn’t like that he was getting the credit for it?

And also, you never get credit for being bad even if that is “the plan”. The get credit when you become good. I will give credit when or if that happens.

 

[BullheadCardFan]

And also, you never get credit for being bad even if that is “the plan”. The get credit when you become good. I will give credit when or if that happens.

This

 

[PACardsFan]

How was BA’s success not sustainable? Oh because Michael and Steve didn’t like that he was getting the credit for it?

And also, you never get credit for being bad even if that is “the plan”. The get credit when you become good. I will give credit when or if that happens.

Because his success was with an old QB who eventually couldn’t stay healthy. BA was a GREAT coach & I loved that era of Cardinal football. But, once the window of opportunity slammed shut because of an older roster, he was on his way out the door & we were back to the bottom of the NFL barrel.

 

[PDXChris]

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[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

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Lots of this in the fall and winter please.

 

[PDXChris]

Monti and Gannon are 12-22. So we have the sustainable sub-mediocrity down. I guess that's easier than the second part.

We'll see. Always next year. 2026 will tell us a lot about where we're going.

Or we can say 11-14 when their starting QB plays and 1-8 without.

Belichick has posted a record of 333-178 during his 29 seasons as an NFL head coach. He has a record of 302-165 in the regular season and an impressive mark of 31-13 in 44 career postseason games.

He has a record of just 82-98 without Brady as his quarterback after the 2023 NFL season. That's good for a winning percentage of just .463 and pales in comparison to what Belichick has achieved with his long-time quarterback.

Even Nick Sirianni is under .500 with Hurts, but a 48-20 record with.

To your point though, if this teams doesn't win 10 games this year, then Monti/Gannon/Kyler needs to be on the hot seat.

 

[kerouac9]

Or we can say 11-14 when their starting QB plays and 1-8 without.




Even Nick Sirianni is under .500 with Hurts, but a 48-20 record with.

To your point though, if this teams doesn't win 10 games this year, then Monti/Gannon/Kyler needs to be on the hot seat.

By my count Siriani is 3-3 with non-Hurts QBs starting? Pickett and McKee both got wins in starts last year, and Gartner Minshew was 1-2 in the two years prior?

I mean there are a lot of ways to cope by carving up splits that still show Gannon and Monti being sub-.500. They're 12-0 when they outscore opponents at the final whistle.

Monti and Gannon knew what the quarterback situation was when they signed here. Going into the 2023 season with the Passtronaut on one week's practice was a choice made by the front office. Starting Clayton Tune was another choice made with eyes wide open.

 

[BurqueCardFan]

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Wow, he looks quite a bit taller than those other DB's in that second pic.

 

[Chopper0080]

Because his success was with an old QB who eventually couldn’t stay healthy. BA was a GREAT coach & I loved that era of Cardinal football. But, once the window of opportunity slammed shut because of an older roster, he was on his way out the door & we were back to the bottom of the NFL barrel.

I don't think this is true at all. Yes, Palmer was struggling with health but Arians was holding it together with Drew Stanton and Ryan Lindley. Obviously every franchise has to pivot when their situation changes at QB. that doesn't make success unsustainable.