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not a complaint on this thread at all!
the last four seasons, at this point, I was reading up on Div 2 guys......
2021 First Round Mock Draft (V 2.0)
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the last four seasons, at this point, I was reading up on Div 2 guys......
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Transition tag Reddick, franchise tag peterson. Re do jones contract. Draft a CB, LB, WR
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Chopper0080
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Not a fan personally. Think he is inconsistent and will not be as imposing physically in the NFL. Not playing this year will hurt him as I think more teams will have wanted to see more. His combine numbers may change that and he is definitely a top 60 guy already so it isn't that he is awful, I just don't like the spot compared to other players.
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Chopper0080
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I really like Kenneth Gainwell. He is exactly what we need. He does everything that we want a RB to do in our offense. Good vision. Can take it to the house. Can catch without need to sub in Chase. He has good vision and hits the holes with excellent timing. He always seems to be running downhill.
Watch his highlights and just look at his style of running.
I don't know that our roster can facilitate taking a RB that high, but he will be a good one.
Watch his highlights and just look at his style of running.
I don't know that our roster can facilitate taking a RB that high, but he will be a good one.
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I disagree with the inconsistent part, but I see your point with everything else.
I really think we should be giving Edmonds starting snaps to see if he can be the guy. I think he can.
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Chopper0080
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Inconsistent in production and technique, not effort. I want to make that distinction.
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I disagree. Edmonds is a great change of pace/back-up RB. He doesn't have bell cow traits and I don't see how that will change (we would have seen it at this point).
SissyBoyFloyd
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Did I miss something re: Giants? Didn't they just use a R1 pick on their QB of the future? I am not sure, but I would make sure their OL is solid. If not, I would think they would lean that way, or maybe even trade back a bit and then go OL. But what do I know?
He doesn't get enough carries to see it. In his limited chances such as the Giants game last year he has done well.
But either way, what does it hurt to give him more carries when Drake isn't playing well anyway? Win win.
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Chopper0080
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Yes, another coaching staff drafted Daniel Jones recently. 22 starts. 7 wins. 32 TDs to 21 Ints & 28 fumbles, 16 lost.
He has been awful by every metric and I don't believe Joe Judge will want to tie his career to this guy.
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Forgot to mention that Zaven is a ILB, not OLB.
If Ojulari declares, I don’t think he’ll make it to us honestly. Dude is gonna blow up the combine with production to back it up.
Would love Oweh, but folks that don’t follow CFB heavy here gonna hate that pick cause of production, lol.
Also warmed up to Ojulari a lot. Think he’s different than previous UGA pass-rushers. @Chopper0080
If Ojulari declares, I don’t think he’ll make it to us honestly. Dude is gonna blow up the combine with production to back it up.
Would love Oweh, but folks that don’t follow CFB heavy here gonna hate that pick cause of production, lol.
Also warmed up to Ojulari a lot. Think he’s different than previous UGA pass-rushers. @Chopper0080
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Jayson Oweh is my guy. As much as I like the idea of bolstering our interior o-line, I can't watch this dude and not feel like in a couple years people will wonder how he fell in the draft.
I agree about Ojulari. Really fun dude to watch. For me he is less one dimensional than the previous Georgia pass rushers. He isn't all speed or all power.
Ossai is kinda the same.
I think Zaven will be a guy who they play at ILB on base and OLB/DE in nickel. I think his athleticism will look different at the NFL level but he will still develop as versatile piece. He is a guy I think Vance would like because you could have him next to Simmons in one personnel group, on the EDGE in another and have him be good enough in coverage to drop at any time. A nice zone blitz player.
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Chopper0080
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Round 2 is a little trickier for me. I have a couple guys I hope fall but not sure they will.
Zaven Collins LB Tulsa is one. My hope is his being an under class-man at a non-traditional NFL factory school may cause scouts to question his productivity a bit.
Nick Bolton LB Missouri is another. I think he is a three down beast, but hopefully he gets type-cast as a two-down thumper only.
Derion Kendrick - CB Clemson. Not a ton of experience and new to the position as of Spring 2019. Maybe teams feel like he is too much of a project.
Jaelan Phillips EDGE Miami - Guy has been bit by the injury bug but his athleticism is off the charts and he is really productive as well. His ability to make an impact this year despite Rousseau opting out was a surprise.
Asante Samuel Jr CB Florida St - Good player on a bad defense. I like that he is a feisty player. He competes and plays bigger than his size. You can tell his dad played the game.
Rondale Moore WR Purdue - Lot of hype around this kid and then he opted out, then back in, and then struggled with injuries. One thing he does is bring speed and open field ability. I wish his return production was better but dude is a worker and the skill set is there. He squats 600lbs which tells you what you need to know about his physical work ethic and offers a bit more of a power game than you expect. He is a guy teams will be nervous about because of the small sample size, but he is electric and is the player the Cardinals wanted when they took Isabella.
Zaven Collins LB Tulsa is one. My hope is his being an under class-man at a non-traditional NFL factory school may cause scouts to question his productivity a bit.
Nick Bolton LB Missouri is another. I think he is a three down beast, but hopefully he gets type-cast as a two-down thumper only.
Derion Kendrick - CB Clemson. Not a ton of experience and new to the position as of Spring 2019. Maybe teams feel like he is too much of a project.
Jaelan Phillips EDGE Miami - Guy has been bit by the injury bug but his athleticism is off the charts and he is really productive as well. His ability to make an impact this year despite Rousseau opting out was a surprise.
Asante Samuel Jr CB Florida St - Good player on a bad defense. I like that he is a feisty player. He competes and plays bigger than his size. You can tell his dad played the game.
Rondale Moore WR Purdue - Lot of hype around this kid and then he opted out, then back in, and then struggled with injuries. One thing he does is bring speed and open field ability. I wish his return production was better but dude is a worker and the skill set is there. He squats 600lbs which tells you what you need to know about his physical work ethic and offers a bit more of a power game than you expect. He is a guy teams will be nervous about because of the small sample size, but he is electric and is the player the Cardinals wanted when they took Isabella.
I'm not sure if people realize how ugly this off season is going to look.
If the cap is reduced to $175m, which seems likely, then we only have $22m cap space and only 31 players.
Lets say we pick #20 in the draft. We need $5m of that for the rookie draft pool and in my opinion must include a OLB, CB and RB capable of starting right away. We also need a low round WR with speed that can do what Isabella can't.
So let's say $17m and 36 players, in fact lets be generous and say 40 players with 4 UDFA's making the roster.
We can cut Robert Alford and save $7.5m. That's likely. But I don't see how we can afford to keep Pat Pete around other than on a ******** contract thats heavily backloaded and screws us in future years. So might they keep Alford as vet experience for a drafted rookie?
But lets bin Alford. So $24.5m and 39 players.
At this point Larry, Pat, Drake, Campbell, Sweezy, Golden, Peters, Reddick, Zane, Lee, Kirkpatrick, Beachum, Banjo, Hundley, Joseph, Blackson, Vallejo, Garcia, Arnold, Daniels, Sherfield, Gardeck, Washington, Zeke Turner and some lesser names are all gone.
And we have $24.5m. Only CJ, Kennard and a drafted rookie at Edge. No CB's other than Murphy and a rookie. A depleted D line. No real backup QB. No starting running back outside Edmonds and a rookie. No kicker. No punter. Only 1 Tight End. Only 2 ILB's (3 if Weaver makes the roster). Only 3 safeties. Only 5 WR's. And all 4 of our best ST guys are gone.
And we have $24.5m to fix it. Good luck with that Keim.
This is also why Reddick isn't getting tagged and there is absolutely no chance Larry is coming back on 1 year for $11m. Or any money frankly, unless he just wants to keep playing in Arizona and he decides to do it for vet min.
We need a crazy good draft just to have a chance of being average.
If the cap is reduced to $175m, which seems likely, then we only have $22m cap space and only 31 players.
Lets say we pick #20 in the draft. We need $5m of that for the rookie draft pool and in my opinion must include a OLB, CB and RB capable of starting right away. We also need a low round WR with speed that can do what Isabella can't.
So let's say $17m and 36 players, in fact lets be generous and say 40 players with 4 UDFA's making the roster.
We can cut Robert Alford and save $7.5m. That's likely. But I don't see how we can afford to keep Pat Pete around other than on a ******** contract thats heavily backloaded and screws us in future years. So might they keep Alford as vet experience for a drafted rookie?
But lets bin Alford. So $24.5m and 39 players.
At this point Larry, Pat, Drake, Campbell, Sweezy, Golden, Peters, Reddick, Zane, Lee, Kirkpatrick, Beachum, Banjo, Hundley, Joseph, Blackson, Vallejo, Garcia, Arnold, Daniels, Sherfield, Gardeck, Washington, Zeke Turner and some lesser names are all gone.
And we have $24.5m. Only CJ, Kennard and a drafted rookie at Edge. No CB's other than Murphy and a rookie. A depleted D line. No real backup QB. No starting running back outside Edmonds and a rookie. No kicker. No punter. Only 1 Tight End. Only 2 ILB's (3 if Weaver makes the roster). Only 3 safeties. Only 5 WR's. And all 4 of our best ST guys are gone.
And we have $24.5m to fix it. Good luck with that Keim.
This is also why Reddick isn't getting tagged and there is absolutely no chance Larry is coming back on 1 year for $11m. Or any money frankly, unless he just wants to keep playing in Arizona and he decides to do it for vet min.
We need a crazy good draft just to have a chance of being average.
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Chopper0080
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I feel like this is a chicken little post.
I have put this in other threads but, we can get to 40 mil pretty easily.
Corey Peters re-signs for like 3.5.
Markus Golden 4.5 with an initial year hit of 2.
Dan Arnold 5, but it will be a multi-year deal so the 1st year will be around 2 or 3.
Vallejo was paid 800k this year and if we want him back, shouldn't cost much more.
Blackson, Daniels, Washington, Banjo and Garcia are roughly 900k and same.
Gardeck, Sherfield and Turner are RFAs so they are cheap.
So, we lose Sweezy, Beachum, Campbell, Zane, Lee, Kirkpatrick and Hundley. But, Sweezy, Beachum, Hundley, and Campbell's replacements are already on the roster.
That leaves us with questions on Larry, Drake, Peterson, Reddick and our P & K with a bit above 20 mil to go. Any multi year deal given can make this much easier.
Larry shouldn't make 11 again.
If Drake wants more than 5 they probably let him test the market.
Pat probably wants a 3 year deal so that 1st year number would be low.
The Cardinals will likely approach Reddick with a similarly structured deal to the one they gave The Captain. Low initial year and then big guarantee year 2. If he passes they put the transition tag on him for 13.
I doubt they give big deals to both a P and a K next year. So count 3 mil for both combined.
So, meh...I'm not too worried. I am not a paid cap specialist and I can get us to pretty much resigning everyone except guys who we have replacements for, a mediocre RB, and two aging vets.
First off, how are you getting from $19.5m to $40m "pretty easily"?
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Chopper0080
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We currently sit at 24 mil.
We will cut Robert Alford and that gives us 7.5 mil more. 31.5.
We will restructure or cut Chandler Jones. I think we will extend him and reduce his cap hit from 20.8 to 10. That opens up 10.5 mil and brings us to 42.
Cutting Devon Kennard, if we needed to, gives us an additional 4.25 and then cutting Gilbert opens up and additional 1 mil (rounding up). So, without really stretching we can get to 47 mil.
Jetstream Green
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He cannot take the pounding, that's proven but he's excellent in his role now
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I agree to a point. I think he could handle a 55% snap role over the course of a season but we will still need another back to fill in. A draft pick isn't going to eliminate that and competition is healthy.
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Most of the teams in the league will be in the same boat or worse, some MUCH worse, so there will be a huge glut of veterans willing to sign cheap one-year deals or backloaded deals.
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Why? It's exactly the same size as Aaron Jones. Ain't nobody saying Aaron Jones isn't a primary back.
We're not at $24m. We're at $22m (and OTC actually says $20m).
I agree on Jones. Chances are he gets restructured, and if not get's traded. So thats $10m.
And Alford too, that's easy enough considering he hasn't played and nobody trusts him not to get injured again. Although personally, I think they will lean on him to take a cut and he will stay just for not much more than the $1.5m dead money he would accrue. But add another $7.5m.
That's $39.5m. Now remove the rookie draft pool you didn't count and it's $34.5m.
The other I don't see the point. There's no net benefit. You cut Kennard you save $4m, but you are going to pay $4m to sign a replacement and add $4m to dead cap in a low cap year. Same with Gilbert, you would pay more for a replacement.
More realistic is that we would have around $35m and have to resign or replace the following players where we have nobody on the roster to replace them at a similar level of production.
Peterson, Fitzgerald, Drake, Peters, Kirkpatrick, Golden, Reddick, Gonzalez, Lee, Arnold, Blackson, Gardeck, Sherfield, Turner. (I'm not counting Sweezy, Beachum or Campbell or we can replace internally)
Plus backups and guys that get snaps in rotation such as Vallejo, Daniels, Hundley, Peterson, Washington, Mauro, Banjo, etc
Let's look at the RFA's and vet min guys first as they are the building blocks of the team. You said earlier they were cheap to resign, but the minimum RFA tender is $2.1m. So not all that cheap. For what it's worth I don't think they tender Gardeck, Sherfield and Arnold. I think they sign them to 3 year deals so they can backload them a little. So let's say those 3 average a cap hit of $1.5m each.
Down to $30m.
Turner they don't tender and resign for vet min. Daniels, Vallejo, Washington, Mauro and Banjo they resign for vet min.
Down to $24.7m.
Blackson and Kirkpatrick I don't see signing for vet min. Both had had starter level snaps, especially Kirkpatrick. Teams will be begging for players like these that won't break the bank. I'm going to say Blackson walks, and they keep Mauro with Lawrence and Fotu coming through. Kirkpatrick resigns for $4m.
Down to $20.7m to resign some combination of or get replacements for P2, Fitz, Drake, Golden, Zane, Lee, Peters and Hundley.
I think Drake and Reddick can be replaced by rookies. There's also a rookie CB in this scenario, but it's 50/50 if they can replace Peterson right away. This is why I think there's a small chance they might keep Alford around on a new very cheap deal.
I don't want Golden on any kind of long term deal at his age with a rookie coming through, so lets say Golden $5m for 1 year. Down to $15.7m.
We need a punter and a kicker. Whoever they may be. Let's be generous and say both are multi year deals that are backloaded and only $2m total cap hit total.
Let's say Peter's doesn't resign, I like the guy but they have Fotu and they have to make tough decisions somewhere. Same with Hundley, they role with only Streveler at backup QB.
Down to $13.7m and still have Fitz and P2 plus at least $5m for injury replacements.
So it's possible, but we have to lose one of Fitz or P2 (Or Fitz has to come back on some super bargain deal) and you have to crazy backload P2's contract on a guy that will be nearly 34 by the end of it.
And all of this is just resigning our own guys and banking on UFA's and low round draft picks to fill the left over roster spots. Certainly no quality UFA's being signed to improve the roster.
All I'm saying is, we ain't going to be getting better next year without a killer draft. We are going to lose some core guys like Peters, P2 or Fitz and we aren't going to be signing any big new names. Most other teams will be going through something similar so it's not all doom.
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Chopper0080
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Every mock I do starts with Oweh!!!
I like Pat and think he would be a good fit. I wonder if we can afford to take a TE in that spot with out current roster needs.
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