Teams that are in the luxury tax or will hit the tax can't do sign and trades, or acquire a player from a sign and trade. Also players involved in sign and trades can no longer receive that extra year or the higher raises that used to be available if their original team agreed to trade them off like we did with Amare. Since there really is no advantage for the players anymore in terms of years or annual salary, there isn't much reason to even ask for a sign and trade. That's part of why it doesn't happen anymore. There's less of an incentive to make it happen.
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Teams that are in the luxury tax or will hit the tax can't do sign and trades, or acquire a player from a sign and trade. Also players involved in sign and trades can no longer receive that extra year or the higher raises that used to be available if their original team agreed to trade them off like we did with Amare. Since there really is no advantage for the players anymore in terms of years or annual salary, there isn't much reason to even ask for a sign and trade. That's part of why it doesn't happen anymore. There's less of an incentive to make it happen.
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If Monty Williams can do some magic, I would consider adding Elfrid Payton. I know, that's a big if.
The Suns could not rely on him to be the starter.
The Suns could not rely on him to be the starter.
If they wanted Payton, they easily could have kept him last offseason...
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Something didn't work last time around. I'm not sure what. If things have changed, it's worth considering.
He is probably a better and cheaper option than Rubio.
I'd be open to it. Payton is 100 times the point guard Tyler Johnson is.
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It did, but I think it was more than that. If it wasn't something really bad a new GM and coach might risk it.
He did quit on Triano and the team. I would call that really bad. (And yet I would STILL prefer him to Tyler Johnson at the point.)
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What was odd was Payton came in, had a triple double and started to light it up the first so many games with us. Then it was like Triano, or someone, told him knock that off! His style of play just seemed to change almost at once. He seemed very reluctant to drive to the hole like he started off doing.
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We don't know what was going on behind the scene, but yes, Payton's play dropped off.
I am starting to wonder if it had something to do with Warren...
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Do you have a reason to suspect this?
Just putting two and two together. It is no secret that Warren has resented Jackson starting at small forward, and Warren pretty much quit on the team this year. Add in the fact that Payton and Warren are as close to one another as are Booker and Russell, then if Warren's resentment last year was anywhere near what it was this past season...
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I forgot about the Warren and Payton connection. It's a thought.
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Payton's play has been pretty much the same for about 3 or 4 years. He can fill up the stat sheet... he also can't shoot and doesn't even pretend to care on defense... and his teams consistently do better when he isn't on the court.
He is a hard no for me.
He is a hard no for me.
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Suns didn't want to pay the cost of Payton and told him. He shut is down.
Sounds like something McD would say directly to a player without thinking about the psyche of the player.
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Payton is terrible. He is not the answer.
I tend to concur, and yet he is a better option at the point than Tyler Johnson.
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My son is a die-hard Miami Heat fan. I just happen to know more about Tyler Johnson's deficiencies than any Suns fan who is not directly connected to a Miami Heat fan...
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I get that. I watched almost every game of GS basketball when I lived in Nevada up until last year. I probably know that team better than most here. It was the only local basketball team in our area. For whatever reason we had the Bay Area local TV stations.
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Who knew we had a bonafide expert on the board? And all based on his son being a die-hard Miami Heat fan! Why don't you work for the Suns??
No need to get chippy. Another poster asked me for the basis of my opinions on Tyler Johnson, and I simply answered the question.
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You know, if you were to go to a Miami Heat board a year or two ago and asked what they thought of him, you wouldn't get anywhere near a consensus. From what I've read on the RGM Miami board, most fans liked him a lot but were disappointed that he didn't improve as much as they expected and they were greatly disappointed in how much he was costing the team.
And, you really didn't just "simply answer the question", you made it clear that you consider yourself an expert compared to the rest of us because your son is a Heat fan. My son loved anime and manga but surprisingly enough, it didn't make me an expert on Ghost in the Shell.
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