2018-19 Season | Point Guard Discussion

[WildBB]

None of them are any more ready to start than Marquese Chriss was at power forward two seasons ago (and remember that Chriss showed promise as a rookie but was just handed the keys to the castle way too soon).

Even if Okobo, Melton or Evans prove to be the answer down the road (and that would still be at least 3-4 years away), we need a capable starter to be a bridge until then.

The last thing we need is more of what we saw the last 4-5 seasons.

Okobo is showing real promise...now. He and Chris do not parallel, Chris had many issues and needed to be a focal point in his own mind, imo. Watson stoked his ego, Kokoskov won't make the same mistake.

 

[1Sun]

My question is, if Okobo and Melton start showing real promise, wouldn't that maybe change the immediate need for a lower grade PG veteran? I guess if someone like Lillard falls into your lap, jump on it. But if our young guys show promise, maybe we run a bit with them to see how it develops. Also we picked up a PG at the beginnig of the NAZ season, and at least on that level that player is balling. Maybe bring him up for a few games?

None of them are any more ready to start than Marquese Chriss was at power forward two seasons ago (and remember that Chriss showed promise as a rookie but was just handed the keys to the castle way too soon).

Even if Okobo, Melton or Evans prove ti be the answer down the road (and that would still be at least 3-4 years away), we need a capable starter to be a bridge until then.

The last thing we need is more of what we saw the last 4-5 seasons

Okobo is showing real promise...now. He and Chris do not parallel, Chris had many issues and needed to be a focal point in his own mind, imo. Watson stoked his ego, Kokoskov won't make the same mistake.

By definition, giving Okobo an NBA starting job a quarter of the way into his rookie season as a second round pick is stoking his ego. And Kokoskov is too soft in much the same manner Watson was.

 

[BC867]

Move him to power forward.

No smiley?

 

[AzStevenCal]

No smiley?

I was serious.

 

[Mainstreet]

The Suns will reportedly take a look at PG Darius Morris.

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His NBA stats from 2014-15 were not impressive. Maybe he has improved.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/morrida01.html

 

[Mainstreet]

With Booker having an inclination towards injury, the Suns can not afford not to add a starting point guard. The Suns need to lighten his load in any way possible. He can still play situational point guard but the Suns need a veteran to play beside him. Continuing the season in the current guard format will likely lead to more problems.

 

[95pro]

With Booker having an inclination towards injury, the Suns can not afford not to add a starting point guard. The Suns need to lighten his load in any way possible. He can still play situational point guard but the Suns need a veteran to play beside him. Continuing the season in the current guard format will likely lead to more problems.

What about defense, we should get someone to play defense for him too since he was injured on that attempted chase down.

 

[Mainstreet]

What about defense, we should get someone to play defense for him too since he was injured on that attempted chase down.

The addition of a defensive minded point guard couldn't hurt although I'd take any point guard that could start and contribute.

Igor mentioned Booker needs to be prepared to play big minutes this season. Until he is fully healthy maybe he needs to take another look at it.

 

[JCSunsfan]

The addition of a defensive minded point guard couldn't hurt although I'd take any point guard that could start and contribute.

Igor mentioned Booker needs to be prepared to play big minutes this season. Until he is fully healthy maybe he needs to take another look at it.

What, like Shaq?

 

[1Sun]

With Booker having an inclination towards injury, the Suns can not afford not to add a starting point guard. The Suns need to lighten his load in any way possible. He can still play situational point guard but the Suns need a veteran to play beside him. Continuing the season in the current guard format will likely lead to more problems.

A familiar point. Hmmm...

 

[1Sun]

What, like Shaq?

Actually has to be able to defend and not be historically bad on offense.

 

[BC867]

With Booker having an inclination towards injury, the Suns can not afford not to add a starting point guard. The Suns need to lighten his load in any way possible. He can still play situational point guard but the Suns need a veteran to play beside him. Continuing the season in the current guard format will likely lead to more problems.

And the same goes for Warren playing Power Forward. It is costing us our two top scorers. That is the reality.

As important as every other aspect of the game is, losing your two top (and only dependable) scorers is never a recipe for winning.

 

[Chaplin]

And the same goes for Warren playing Power Forward. It is costing us our two top scorers. That is the reality.

As important as every other aspect of the game is, losing your two top (and only dependable) scorers is never a recipe for winning.

Wait. You're saying Warren is injured because we don't have a point guard and power forward?

And your last sentence can apply to every team, no matter if they have a good point guard or not.

 

[1Sun]

Wait. You're saying Warren is injured because we don't have a point guard and power forward?

And your last sentence can apply to every team, no matter if they have a good point guard or not.

He's saying that Warren was being similarly overextended having to play out of position at power forward as Booker was having to play out of position at point guard, and that as a result the injury risks were greater.

 

[Chaplin]

He's saying that Warren was being similarly overextended having to play out of position at power forward as Booker was having to play out of position at point guard, and that as a result the injury risks were greater.

That has proven to be wrong, so you and BC keep promoting the same flawed logic.

 

[1Sun]

That has proven to be wrong, so you and BC keep promoting the same flawed logic.

Quite the contrary. This season especially has proved it to be 100% correct. It's no longer speculation, deduction or even logic (flawed or not). It has happened and is now empirical evidence.

 

[Chaplin]

Quite the contrary. This season especially has proved it to be 100% correct.

Wrong. Again.

 

[1Sun]

Wrong. Again.

Because you say so. Oh, I get it...

 

[Chaplin]

Because you say so. Oh, I get it...

Welcome to ignore. Finally.

 

[1Sun]

Welcome to ignore. Finally.

Amazing how people run once confronted with an actual challenge to their distortion of facts, even empirical facts happening right before our very eyes at this very moment...

 

[Cheesebeef]

That has proven to be wrong, so you and BC keep promoting the same flawed logic.

Honestly, at this point, I don't know if there's been proof either way to say what's right or wrong. how do you believe it's be proven wrong?

 

[1Sun]

Honestly, at this point, I don't know if there's been proof either way to say what's right or wrong. how do you believe it's be proven wrong?

Good luck getting him/her to actually support the position. Welcome to the world of "alternative facts"...

 

[Mainstreet]

What, like Shaq?

No. The Suns need a point guard that can keep defenses honest on the offensive end of the court as well. I've always thought of Shaq as a defensive specialist... a situational player.

 

[Mainstreet]

And the same goes for Warren playing Power Forward. It is costing us our two top scorers. That is the reality.

As important as every other aspect of the game is, losing your two top (and only dependable) scorers is never a recipe for winning.

I'm thinking one step at a time. The most important step is for the Suns to find a point guard who can run the team. The power forward position needs to be addressed in the off season.

I have no problem with Warren playing power forward position except he is out matched physically on most nights. The Suns need a physical power forward that can help Ayton inside. I don't think Warren playing power forward is the cause of him being injured. Warren has help off the bench whereas there is no replacement for Booker.

 

[BC867]

Wait. You're saying Warren is injured because we don't have a point guard and power forward?

And your last sentence can apply to every team, no matter if they have a good point guard or not.

Yes, Chap, I am saying that injuries to our two top scorers and seeing them playing out of position game after game might not be a coincidence. I've said it before.

Logically, it has to cause adjustments and in a league as strenuous as the NBA, that could induce injuries. Booker guarding quicker Point Guards. And having to be our best facilitator and scorer, without a decent Point Guard facilitating him. It is all on him. Warren guarding heavier Power Forwards, as Mainstreet just pointed out.

It is not inconceivable! You say it has been proven to be wrong, so where is the proof? Thus far, we have different opinions. That is supposed to be a positive on ASFN. If everyone played the role of "yes" men, well, we've seen what it has done to the Suns.

As far as your mentioning other teams, I don't give a rusty f*** for other teams. I just keep hoping that maybe someone, sometime, somewhere, will knock some sense into Sarver's head about how to "manage" a professional ball team. See the results of putting his ego first, count the money and let pro's run the team.

After last season, even the tank brigade did not want to see us go through another season like that. Did you? Are you condoning what is going on? That would be a disappointing surprise.