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I'm not ready to call Palmer a bad playoff QB based on 3 games, one of which he won. He does need to "that year" where he gets on a run though.

You take away Aaron Rodgers 4-0 run to the SB and he's a below .500 QB in the playoffs.

Take away Wilson's 3-0 run and he's a .500 QB completing less than 60% of his passes and a QB rating below 90.

Palmer has to get that one run and all will be forgotten. Those guys have done it but it also took them a couple tries. This will be the year with a home field NFC Championship game.

I agree he was shaky early against GB but he ended up with a good, winning overall game. He's not the only QB to be graced by a fortuitous bounce.

I won't quibble too much with the above. I'm just a prove it guy. Was really disappointed with Palmer in the playoffs last year after just breasting the previous two regular seasons.

Trust me, I want to see that big run more then anyone. But I'm a little skeptical until I see it, That's all.
 

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I won't quibble too much with the above. I'm just a prove it guy. Was really disappointed with Palmer in the playoffs last year after just breasting the previous two regular seasons.

Trust me, I want to see that big run more then anyone. But I'm a little skeptical until I see it, That's all.

Excellent points. I think you're like me in that you want to believe he can do it. I mean, football is football he can play, there's no reason he cant play well in the playoffs.

The million dollar question is; Does Carson believe it?

As you said before, he has not been good and re: the GB game, how many INT's did GB drop in that game?

However, that game also serves as a bastion of hope for me, because the play Palmer made in OT is the stuff of legends. Straight up, backyard football, playing on instinct, making a play. If he can do that, he can have a whole good game, he just has to get out of his head. Because I think that the phrase "its the playoffs I have to play well!" is repeating in his head right now in the postseason...

Anyone who thinks Carson doesn't get in his own head need only watch the first half of the Cincy game.
 

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To restate the question: Can CP physically play to last year's standards while cutting down on those patented brain cramps by, say, 50%?

Answer: He could, but will he? Dunno. If he can, it could mean a Super Bowl win.
 

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Elway was the great QB that couldn't win a super bowl...until he did... of course we all know there was a lot lacking from those Denver teams too...

manning will be a first ballot hall of famer....and he gave away a couple of super bowls and afc championship games...it was almost like brady had a condo in mannings head sometimes.

The only person who can screw up palmers head in the playoffs is palmer...and I really hope he will just stop it.

in his limited defense... we really only had one offensive player and one defender actually play like a pro in the Carolina game... the rest of the team embarrassed themselves, their coaches, their ownership...and hell,...the entire state of Arizona... it was the most complete team effort at suckitude I may have ever seen..
and I hope they have been losing sleep over it, letting it eat at them...I hope it makes them mad..... but mostly I hope they get a chance to make it right.
 

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Carson Palmer is a resilient QB---he has bounce back ability, in-game and from an off game to a good game. His mistakes can be corrected---like not forcing the ball into a crowd at the hash marks. Those areas seem to be his blind spots.

Versus the Bengals on SNF last year he had a similar first half as the ones he had versus the Seahawks (Week 17) and Panthers (NFCCG). At half-time he made some key adjustments, like waiting the extra second or two to let his receivers gain separation and threw to spots where there was no safety help. The result was a very good come from behind win, versus a team that was 9-1 at the time.

I really felt that versus the Panthers in the NFC Championship game, had Pat P. not muffed the punt at that juncture of the second quarter and had Carson Palmer and the offense taken advantage of the momentum swing, it could have been anybody's game in the second half. The week before, the Seahawks, after getting clobbered and embarrassed in the first half, mounted a fierce comeback in the second half...but ultimately had too much of a deficit to overcome.

We saw last night how the Broncos came back from a 7-17 deficit at halftime to win 21-20. They had turned the ball over three times---and all at bad times. But they were able to swing the momentum in their favor and keep it long enough to win. Thus, what BA and the coaches have most likely been impressing upon the Cardinals' players is to try not to compound their mistakes and to keep making momentum swinging plays, because if the offense gets hot and the defense clamps down, the team can find ways to prevail.
 

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Carson Palmer is a resilient QB---he has bounce back ability, in-game and from an off game to a good game. His mistakes can be corrected---like not forcing the ball into a crowd at the hash marks. Those areas seem to be his blind spots.

Versus the Bengals on SNF last year he had a similar first half as the ones he had versus the Seahawks (Week 17) and Panthers (NFCCG). At half-time he made some key adjustments, like waiting the extra second or two to let his receivers gain separation and threw to spots where there was no safety help. The result was a very good come from behind win, versus a team that was 9-1 at the time.

I really felt that versus the Panthers in the NFC Championship game, had Pat P. not muffed the punt at that juncture of the second quarter and had Carson Palmer and the offense taken advantage of the momentum swing, it could have been anybody's game in the second half. The week before, the Seahawks, after getting clobbered and embarrassed in the first half, mounted a fierce comeback in the second half...but ultimately had too much of a deficit to overcome.

We saw last night how the Broncos came back from a 7-17 deficit at halftime to win 21-20. They had turned the ball over three times---and all at bad times. But they were able to swing the momentum in their favor and keep it long enough to win. Thus, what BA and the coaches have most likely been impressing upon the Cardinals' players is to try not to compound their mistakes and to keep making momentum swinging plays, because if the offense gets hot and the defense clamps down, the team can find ways to prevail.
I also thought the muffed punt was the key play in the game. Yet, most of the blame is heaped on CP. I can see where Palmer may come out tight in big games, but it usually lasts a series or two and then he's fine.

Also realize, teams are usually playing against top notch defenses that are in a frenzy during the playoffs which makes it tougher to put gawdy numbers.
 

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Adrain's has got us in double digit wins each of his three years. This has been because of the play of Palmer and to say he isn't going to be as good is laughable.

The Cards ran the ball very well this preseason and I expect us to be more powerful than last year. Have some faith because we got us a winner in town.
 

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Palmer has a great resume with the Cards... he will be a top 5 QB this year and you can count on this, let the games begin!
 

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I actually think Palmer has a good chance of improving over last year, just as he's improved every year here. I can't think of another QB with the stability Palmer has this year: every player who scored a TD last year is back. Same coach, GM, system, franchise, players.
 

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I actually think Palmer has a good chance of improving over last year, just as he's improved every year here. I can't think of another QB with the stability Palmer has this year: every player who scored a TD last year is back. Same coach, GM, system, franchise, players.

there's really no reason he shouldn't be as good as last year. This is his 4th year in the system, same play caller, and this team is as loaded on offense as ANY team I can ever remember. Three legit #1 or #2 WR with two good backups, 2 #1 RBs with a solid 3rd down/3rd backup, solid TEs and solid talent on the O-line. he's got speed/size/power at WR/RB.
 
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Here's the deal with the preseason. There is no chance at redemption. He's in there for 1 or 2 series good or bad and then he's out.

There are many more things to worry about. Special teams, qb pressure without always blitzing. The "other" CB.

We are definitely going to be able to run the ball better this year. When we do, it will open up a whole bunch of opportunities. Palmer needs to be patient and wait for the right spots. They will come.

Here's a stat you might not have heard. Last year the 32 teams combined had lined up with just 10 guys on the field. You know who did it the most ? US! And would you like to guess how many times? Sixteen..that is right 16 times. Crap like that just can't happen.

With all the talent on this team our special teams should be lights out. We simply cannot undervalue the importance of it.
 

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Palmer said during OTA's that he likes to take chances at this time of the year to see if he can get it in that small window or beat that kind of coverage on a certain play. He learns what will and what won't work and he won't take the same kind of chances during the regular season.

I'm not worried about his so so play during the preseason and I don't think we have enough of a sample size of playoff FB to label him a choker. I do agree with Cheese that he is what he is until he proves otherwise but I'm not concerned.

I love Carson's work ethic and how great a human being he appears to be. I think he is as classy as Warner and has the same desire to be great.
 

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If the broncos can win the SB with poor QB play why not us.
I think SK has been bitten in the past with our past QBs and their injuries.

We are going old school buy building trenches with our oline and dline. With have 3 very good running backs, very good receiving corp, and our secondary is not bad either with the exception of the #2 CB.

I personally think we are 3 players away from a SB win.
An upgrade at center, #2 CB and a premier ILB.
Hopefully I am wrong and Shipley isn't a weakness, Brandon Williams has a good rookie year and Minter and $ hold their ground.
 

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there's really no reason he shouldn't be as good as last year. This is his 4th year in the system, same play caller, and this team is as loaded on offense as ANY team I can ever remember. Three legit #1 or #2 WR with two good backups, 2 #1 RBs with a solid 3rd down/3rd backup, solid TEs and solid talent on the O-line. he's got speed/size/power at WR/RB.
Here's the deal with the preseason. There is no chance at redemption. He's in there for 1 or 2 series good or bad and then he's out.

There are many more things to worry about. Special teams, qb pressure without always blitzing. The "other" CB.

We are definitely going to be able to run the ball better this year. When we do, it will open up a whole bunch of opportunities. Palmer needs to be patient and wait for the right spots. They will come.

Here's a stat you might not have heard. Last year the 32 teams combined had lined up with just 10 guys on the field. You know who did it the most ? US! And would you like to guess how many times? Sixteen..that is right 16 times. Crap like that just can't happen.

With all the talent on this team our special teams should be lights out. We simply cannot undervalue the importance of it.

This is a good post an
If the broncos can win the SB with poor QB play why not us.
I think SK has been bitten in the past with our past QBs and their injuries.

We are going old school buy building trenches with our oline and dline. With have 3 very good running backs, very good receiving corp, and our secondary is not bad either with the exception of the #2 CB.

I personally think we are 3 players away from a SB win.
An upgrade at center, #2 CB and a premier ILB.
Hopefully I am wrong and Shipley isn't a weakness, Brandon Williams has a good rookie year and Minter and $ hold their ground.

We're not 3 elite players away. We have all the talent. I truly believe we have the best roster, top to bottom, in the NFL. I think that was true last year too. But if you're soft you're going to lose. We were mushy last year.

We didn't instill our will on people last year, we just outscored them. When it came to physical teams last year we got beat down.
 

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This is a good post an


We're not 3 elite players away. We have all the talent. I truly believe we have the best roster, top to bottom, in the NFL. I think that was true last year too. But if you're soft you're going to lose. We were mushy last year.

We didn't instill our will on people last year, we just outscored them. When it came to physical teams last year we got beat down.

I liked how the broncos brought superman back to the ground. Even after the whistle was blown sometimes. Maybe that is what we need, an enforcer, like in hockey.
Dockett and Adrian Wilson were very good at it.

On offense its the running game. Its a heartbreaker for the other team when they can't stop the run.
 

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Broncos have a SB defense, even this year. We're not even close. Statistically maybe so, but in games no. You talk about beating people up, but I don't see it on our team. We're a soft, mushy team. And that goes back years and years man, even with Michael B. The Warner team was mushy and soft and this team last year was the same way.

They have to get over that hurdle and fight. I mean snot nosed, bubble snot fight, until they're exhausted, and I haven't seen that. All I saw last year was a beatdown of epic proportions. And a bunch of players whining. And a ton of fans whining. And talk about how this year it's different. I've seen a lot of football in my day, heard a lot of talk. Prove it.
 

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Broncos have a SB defense, even this year. We're not even close. Statistically maybe so, but in games no. You talk about beating people up, but I don't see it on our team. We're a soft, mushy team. And that goes back years and years man, even with Michael B. The Warner team was mushy and soft and this team last year was the same way.

They have to get over that hurdle and fight. I mean snot nosed, bubble snot fight, until they're exhausted, and I haven't seen that. All I saw last year was a beatdown of epic proportions. And a bunch of players whining. And a ton of fans whining. And talk about how this year it's different. I've seen a lot of football in my day, heard a lot of talk. Prove it.

For years I've been writing thread about "Cardinal Tough" because we didn't play across the board as tough as the Seahawks and now the Panthers.

However, for you to say the Cardinals are still "mushy and soft" is inaccurate. Last year, BA made a conscious effort to run the football---and the results were very positive, led by All-Pro guard, Mike Iupati. On defense, Tyrann Mathieu makes a huge difference as his physical style of play is contagious---he is our MVP. And fast on Honey Badger's heels is Deone Bucannon.

Soft and mushy teams don't win 10, 11 and 14 games in consecutive years...and win twice in Seattle.

Yes, we still have to take the team toughness to the next level, especially on STs. But, this team has been progressing and deserves far more credit than criticism.
 

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When I first started watching Football in the late fifty's 58 it was noticeable that the team that did the best job of blocking on offence , and tackling on defense won a lot more games than they lost . That has never changed and it never will . We hear that games are won and lost in the trench's , exactly that's where the blocking / tackling gets determined , if defenders are getting into the backfield tackling the RB or Sacking / Tackling the QB the blocking is failing . Some might think the QB is failing , but I am a big picture guy . Tom Brady , AFC championship game against Denver 27 of 56 passing 1 td -- 1 int , so Brady played horrible " NO " Denver D got that tackling done . By the way league MVP Newton fared even worse than Brady against that Denver tackling machine . I said all that to say this Palmer :will look: better this season because he is going to get improved blocking on offense and improved tackling on defense . It's about the Blocking and Tackling !!!
 

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For years I've been writing thread about "Cardinal Tough" because we didn't play across the board as tough as the Seahawks and now the Panthers.

However, for you to say the Cardinals are still "mushy and soft" is inaccurate. Last year, BA made a conscious effort to run the football---and the results were very positive, led by All-Pro guard, Mike Iupati. On defense, Tyrann Mathieu makes a huge difference as his physical style of play is contagious---he is our MVP. And fast on Honey Badger's heels is Deone Bucannon.

Soft and mushy teams don't win 10, 11 and 14 games in consecutive years...and win twice in Seattle.

Yes, we still have to take the team toughness to the next level, especially on STs. But, this team has been progressing and deserves far more credit than criticism.
I agree, one does not win like we do and not be physical. If a team is called a finesse team and wins, then they also still have to have some physicality to do so in the NFL. I think it is the level of physical play compared to the Panthers last year and frankly this team went into the game running on empty, be it Palmer's finger or the loss of Tyrann Mathieu which not only affected our skill ability on the field but our source of energy and leadership. I would not call the 2008 Cardinals soft at all when one overviews the totality of all their games
 

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Without Palmer, we are pretty much dead in the water. Stanton is no where even near being a mediocre back up. I really like CP, both as a player, and as a man. But, all that being said, his success with the Cardinals has more to do with Arians than anything else. I think he'll have really good regular season stats, but I just don't see him as someone who can truly win a SB. His whole career, he's always teased with moments of tremendous play. Then, just as you're about to buy in 100%, he'd do something that made your jaw drop and all that comes out is "wtf was that"????? When you watched All or Nothing, there were too many times when BA repeated those words to him verbatim.
 
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