15 thoughts - draft

[kerouac9]

Wow, impressive!

WAIT, please don't tell me your posts are manufactured stories with made up stats.
You know how many people would freak out right now???? LOLOLOLOL

And if they are, damn, you are very good at your job!!!

No I put together a little spreadsheet of the QBs drafted in the first round and started folding some additional data in.

I guess I cared enough about accuracy to do the work myself instead of reaching the wrong answer in an extremely efficient way.

 

[Chopper0080]

So the next best thing is a (potential) great QB. Coaching, line, defense, yada yada.

If we can take the #1 or the last pick. What's the best odds? (In regards to SF/Cincy)

I'm assuming we will never have a great FO.

It's not about being great, it's about not being inept. The Cardinals have a better chance getting to a average level functioning front office than they do hitting on a top QB with the current group.

 

[Zalixar]

It's not about being great, it's about not being inept. The Cardinals have a better chance getting to a average level functioning front office than they do hitting on a top QB with the current group.

Uh, do we?

So they have little chance of landing a QB pick next year by being themselves? It's always a crapshoot, sure. Better chance with a higher pick, or lower pick?

How long is Monti (and Michael) sticking around? Cause that's 0 percent chance of average level functioning for at least a couple more years.

 

[some dumb guy]

No I put together a little spreadsheet of the QBs drafted in the first round and started folding some additional data in.

I guess I cared enough about accuracy to do the work myself instead of reaching the wrong answer in an extremely efficient way.

@az jam, I'm curious why you gave K9 a thumbs down after he explained his work ethic?

 

[some dumb guy]

No I put together a little spreadsheet of the QBs drafted in the first round and started folding some additional data in.

I guess I cared enough about accuracy to do the work myself instead of reaching the wrong answer in an extremely efficient way.

I always wondered, why kerouac, and I thought Jack Kerouac? But that didn't make sense. But now finding out your profession, are you a descendent of Grandpa Jack or maybe a fan?

 

[kerouac9]

I always wondered, why kerouac, and I thought Jack Kerouac? But that didn't make sense. But now finding out your profession, are you a descendent of Grandpa Jack or maybe a fan?

Yes it’s a reference to Jack Kerouac. I’m just a fan who has been using this handle since I was like 16.

Someone on here dated Jack’s daughter for a time back in the day.

The “9” is a slant reference to John Lennon.

 

[Gandhi]

Oh so ai that’s why it’s wrong

Bleacher report LOL

Impressive that you don't know what Bleacher Report actually is, and instead trust your own research about something you obviously don't know about. Carry on.

 

[cardncubfan]

I call you the stat man purely out of respect. Can I ask what you do or did for a living? Statistician seems too mundane and picturing you sitting in a basement surrounded by computers and monitors seems a little too gothic. I'll completely understand if you don't want to respond since it's a personal question but I'm just curious.
And I've sat here for 10 minutes trying to decide to hit post or not...........Ah, worst case you don't respond and that's understandable.

He's Paul Janeway irl.

 

[BooksOrangePlanet]

Someone on here dated Jack’s daughter for a time back in the day.

wasn't me - im more of a hunter s guy

 

[some dumb guy]

He's Paul Janeway irl.

You'll have to forgive my ignorance. I googled Paul Janeway, and K9 doesn't strike me as the lead singer of St. Paul and the Broken Bones. And Paul still has half a head of hair. Based on K9's freewheeling of the anger emoji to those of us with hair, I'd venture to guess K9 is follically challenged

 

[cardncubfan]

You'll have to forgive my ignorance. I googled Paul Janeway, and K9 doesn't strike me as the lead singer of St. Paul and the Broken Bones. And Paul still has half a head of hair. Based on K9's freewheeling of the anger emoji to those of us with hair, I'd venture to guess K9 is follically challenged

He used to be a banker before becoming the lead singer. K9 always struck me as someone who had a banking background & now does something else. I actually thought he was a teacher now hence the debatefulness in him. Yes, I just made up that word.

 

[kerouac9]

He used to be a banker before becoming the lead singer. K9 always struck me as someone who had a banking background & now does something else. I actually thought he was a teacher now hence the debatefulness in him. Yes, I just made up that word.

Both are true

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

How has that been working out for you and us? The Cards are 19-49 under Monti’s leadership and he’s had three top-five picks to use.

That’s resulted in a red-chip offensive tackle, a wide receiver averaging 51 yards per game, and a running back that no one thinks is gonna move the needle in the win column.

You don’t get better by losing on purpose.

This team doesn’t get better by trying not to lose either, so what’s your point? I don’t trust monti’s talent evaluation. The higher you draft the better chance of accidentally striking gold because you’re selecting from a broader pool of talent. If you hit on a top QB you’re golden. I seriously believe that the cardinals have to luck into success. For instance, being assed-out on selections and being left with Bruce Arians was a stroke of luck, not genius.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

My man the last five Super Bowl winners were Sam Darnold (fifth team), Jalen Hurts (second round), Pat Mahomes (10th overall, KC traded up from 27th overall), and Stafford (traded for).

No one is coming to save us

What do all those GMs have in common with monti that leads you to believe he can replicate their success? Nothing.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I think it is important to specify that you can be competitive without a top QB even if you may not be likely to win a Super Bowl. However, Hurts and Darnold are both flawed players whose teams built a roster around them to overcome their limitations. Plenty of opportunities arise to grab a QB if the rest of your roster is solid.

Says the guy rooting for the Arizona cardinals. Ladies and gentlemen, I give you: Stockholm syndrome if you have convinced yourself of this.

In 37 years we have come across those “plenty of opportunities” exactly 3 times (Plummer, Warner, Palmer) and each was extremely limited in terms of tenure.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

It's not about being great, it's about not being inept. The Cardinals have a better chance getting to an average level functioning front office than they do hitting on a top QB with the current group.

This is where we fundamentally disagree. In order to to attain an average level of functioning you have to have an average level of talent. That means kinda hitting in more picks than not. That’s not the cardinal way. If you majorly suck you can luck into a generational QB who can lift a tam with lesser talent. What’s easier? Lucking into a single great player or building a fully competent roster? The luck, particularly if helped along by tanking.

 

[kerouac9]

This team doesn’t get better by trying not to lose either, so what’s your point? I don’t trust monti’s talent evaluation. The higher you draft the better chance of accidentally striking gold because you’re selecting from a broader pool of talent. If you hit on a top QB you’re golden. I seriously believe that the cardinals have to luck into success. For instance, being assed-out on selections and being left with Bruce Arians was a stroke of luck, not genius.

If it doesn’t matter, then we should try to win and provide entertainment value to the fans.

If luck is the only factor, it really doesn’t matter whether you’re picking second or seventeenth. Especially if you’re only targeting a single position. It doesn’t matter how many or few top edge or left tackle prospects are on the board if you’re only focused on QB.

 

[kerouac9]

What do all those GMs have in common with monti that leads you to believe he can replicate their success? Nothing.

I don’t think there’s much fundamentally different between the KC ownership group and the Cards. KC didn’t lose themselves into Patrick Mahomes.

 

[Chopper0080]

Says the guy rooting for the Arizona cardinals. Ladies and gentlemen, I give you: Stockholm syndrome if you have convinced yourself of this.

In 37 years we have come across those “plenty of opportunities” exactly 3 times (Plummer, Warner, Palmer) and each was extremely limited in terms of tenure.

I mean, I don't know of any inept franchises winning Super Bowls even with great QBs. The Colts got Andrew Luck and didn't win a Super Bowl. The Bengals drafted Joe Burrow and haven't won a Super Bowl. Rivers didn't win a Super Bowl in San Diego.

It's why I said that you can't be successful AND be inept in your front office. Even if you get lucky, it won't amount to a title.

(I feel like this answers both of your responses, but let me know if you disagree.)

 

[doppelganger]

I mean, I don't know of any inept franchises winning Super Bowls even with great QBs. The Colts got Andrew Luck and didn't win a Super Bowl. The Bengals drafted Joe Burrow and haven't won a Super Bowl. Rivers didn't win a Super Bowl in San Diego.

It's why I said that you can't be successful AND be inept in your front office. Even if you get lucky, it won't amount to a title.

(I feel like this answers both of your responses, but let me know if you disagree.)

Well this franchise came within 20 seconds of winning a title.

 

[kerouac9]

I mean, I don't know of any inept franchises winning Super Bowls even with great QBs. The Colts got Andrew Luck and didn't win a Super Bowl. The Bengals drafted Joe Burrow and haven't won a Super Bowl. Rivers didn't win a Super Bowl in San Diego.

It's why I said that you can't be successful AND be inept in your front office. Even if you get lucky, it won't amount to a title.

(I feel like this answers both of your responses, but let me know if you disagree.)

KC wasn’t a model of function before Mahomes arrived and pulled everything together.

Schottenheimer was a punchline. They had a weird, paranoid front office. They went like 15 years where they never won a game with a starting QB they drafted.

Nick Casario was a punchline until he found a GM dumber than him and fleeced Monti.

 

[some dumb guy]

Well this franchise came within 20 seconds of winning a title.

And I came within 5 numbers of winning the lottery...

 

[Chopper0080]

Well this franchise came within 20 seconds of winning a title.

Rod Graves seems to have been a better GM than Monti is.

 

[gimpy]

And I came within 5 numbers of winning the lottery...

Wow! That's pretty good.

 

[some dumb guy]

Wow! That's pretty good.

I tip my hat sir. LMFAO