Official Kyler Murray career thread.... (post Cardinals/Vikes)

[Russ Smith]

murray doesn't just have to win the starting gig he also has to win over the lockeroom

I think he has to convince them HE is the guy but I don't think he has to convince them JJ is NOT the guy I think they already know that

 

[Adrian]

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[kerouac9]

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Donnie hard at work in the #content mines, but this post is incoherent. If the decision looks even worse than it did three months ago, how can it still be right?

 

[vince56]

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Nah, it was time. The team had a similar win/loss record with Kyler to the 1990s Cardinals. I never want to live through this again. Let's go with Beck for this year and if he's not it, let's draft a QB next year. But Kyler is not it.

 

[kerouac9]

Nah, it was time. The team had a similar win/loss record with Kyler to the 1990s Cardinals. I never want to live through this again. Let's go with Beck for this year and if he's not it, let's draft a QB next year. But Kyler is not it.

After his rookie season Kyler was 33-38 as a starter with almost zero support from his coaching staff or personnel department.

 

[Chopper0080]

After his rookie season Kyler was 33-38 as a starter with almost zero support from his coaching staff or personnel department.

For me, the failure wasn't in the decision to move on from Kyler, it was the complete lack of a plan to add some sort of solid option when they did.

 

[Stout]

It all goes back to giving him that ridiculous contract when you still had years of player control. So many folks on the board were pounding the table in support of the contract. Not most, but a lot. What a stupid thing to have done. It cost the team dearly, for years, and ended with this fiasco situation.

 

[602 Native]

Nah, it was time. The team had a similar win/loss record with Kyler to the 1990s Cardinals. I never want to live through this again. Let's go with Beck for this year and if he's not it, let's draft a QB next year. But Kyler is not it.

After his rookie season Kyler was 33-38 as a starter with almost zero support from his coaching staff or personnel department.

The O-Line got worse and worse with K1 at QB. Never invested in the infrastructure of the offense. Also could have drafted weapons like Ceedee, DK, instead we drafted busts like Simons and Isabella.

The Cardinals have failed every QB they have had. Beck will probably be no different if he is any good.

For me, the failure wasn't in the decision to move on from Kyler, it was the complete lack of a plan to add some sort of solid option when they did.

Thats what they always do over and over again. Warner, Leinart, Palmer, Murray its why loser organizations continue to be losers.

 

[some dumb guy]

It all goes back to giving him that ridiculous contract when you still had years of player control. So many folks on the board were pounding the table in support of the contract. Not most, but a lot. What a stupid thing to have done. It cost the team dearly, for years, and ended with this fiasco situation.

I wasn't pounding the table but at the time I was surprised and then I thought it was a good move. If they waited another year it was going to cost them even more. Nobody could have foreseen Murray's collapse. Really doesn't matter anymore. This is what some might call "history".

 

[TRW]

Who is this Kyler Murray you are speaking of?

 

[602 Native]

It all goes back to giving him that ridiculous contract when you still had years of player control. So many folks on the board were pounding the table in support of the contract. Not most, but a lot. What a stupid thing to have done. It cost the team dearly, for years, and ended with this fiasco situation.

Don't forget Keim gave himself and Kliff an extension before K1.

What were they gonna do after doing that not resign the QB that got them extensions?

 

[Stout]

Don't forget Keim gave himself and Kliff an extension before K1.

What were they gonna do after doing that not resign the QB that got them extensions?

Please, I want to forget!

 

[Stout]

I wasn't pounding the table but at the time I was surprised and then I thought it was a good move. If they waited another year it was going to cost them even more. Nobody could have foreseen Murray's collapse. Really doesn't matter anymore. This is what some might call "history".

I wasn't even close to sold on KM as the right QB for us and neither were a lot of other folks. Not saying I saw a complete collapse coming, but there was absolutely no reason to extend him early when he hadn't yet proven out. Remember, they extended him a year before most players typically get that extension. Oh, if they waited a year he might get 10 mill extra a year because he was great? Nice luxury problem to have. That's really not how it worked out, though. History, ya know.

 

[CardNots]

It all goes back to giving him that ridiculous contract when you still had years of player control. So many folks on the board were pounding the table in support of the contract. Not most, but a lot. What a stupid thing to have done. It cost the team dearly, for years, and ended with this fiasco situation.

1000% as 100% wasn’t enough

Coming off a major injury as well

 

[cardpa]

I wasn't even close to sold on KM as the right QB for us and neither were a lot of other folks. Not saying I saw a complete collapse coming, but there was absolutely no reason to extend him early when he hadn't yet proven out. Remember, they extended him a year before most players typically get that extension. Oh, if they waited a year he might get 10 mill extra a year because he was great? Nice luxury problem to have. That's really not how it worked out, though. History, ya know.

I was shouting from the same soapbox you were.

 

[Phrazbit]

I wasn't even close to sold on KM as the right QB for us and neither were a lot of other folks. Not saying I saw a complete collapse coming, but there was absolutely no reason to extend him early when he hadn't yet proven out. Remember, they extended him a year before most players typically get that extension. Oh, if they waited a year he might get 10 mill extra a year because he was great? Nice luxury problem to have. That's really not how it worked out, though. History, ya know.

Yep, the extension was what really killed us the last few years. "Let's pay him MVP money out of the fear that he will play like an MVP and we will have to pay him slightly more than that!"

He was rough in the 2nd half of that season and he no showed the playoff game, behind the scenes they had serious concerns about his work ethic and they still gave him one of the biggest contracts in the league.

Plenty of other stuff went wrong the last several seasons but it's hard to succeed when you're paying 50+ mil a year for a mediocre player. He's a game manager with wheels.

 

[JRakes]

Once he tore his ACL, he stopped running and started throwing. That’s when his short stature became a bigger issue. Glad he’s off the squad, time to move on

 

[kerouac9]

Yep, the extension was what really killed us the last few years. "Let's pay him MVP money out of the fear that he will play like an MVP and we will have to pay him slightly more than that!"

He was rough in the 2nd half of that season and he no showed the playoff game, behind the scenes they had serious concerns about his work ethic and they still gave him one of the biggest contracts in the league.

Plenty of other stuff went wrong the last several seasons but it's hard to succeed when you're paying 50+ mil a year for a mediocre player. He's a game manager with wheels.

There wasn’t one move that Kyler’s contract prevented us from making.

Except from moving on from Kyler Murray.

 

[Stout]

There wasn’t one move that Kyler’s contract prevented us from making.

Except from moving on from Kyler Murray.

Yes, thank you for proving the point.

 

[602 Native]

Plenty of other stuff went wrong the last several seasons but it's hard to succeed when you're paying 50+ mil a year for a mediocre player. He's a game manager with wheels.

How long is this going to be an excuse?

This franchise has been driven into a ditch and it had nothing to do with this contract.

Wasted draft picks, stupid trades, talent not developed, crappy coaches, and a GM that is so inept he violates the rules as his first order of business.

It might be cool to dance on the grave of K1 but that doesn't resurrect this pathetic franchise from the dead.

 

[BooksOrangePlanet]

It might be cool to dance on the grave of K1 but that doesn't resurrect this pathetic franchise from the dead.

it's weird to obsess over kyler murray and it doesn't resurrect this pathetic franchise from the dead

 

[Brian in Mesa]

It might be cool to dance on the grave of K1 but that doesn't resurrect this pathetic franchise from the dead.

He may be buried, but it's a shallow grave - he's not even buried 6 feet deep (more like 5'9").

 

[Adrian]

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[PDXChris]

Once he tore his ACL, he stopped running and started throwing. That’s when his short stature became a bigger issue. Glad he’s off the squad, time to move on

2019–2022 (pre-injury): 57 games

• 2,204 rushing yards → 38.7 yards/game
• 381 attempts → 6.7 carries/game at 5.8 yards/attempt
• 23 rushing TDs (one every 2.5 games), 127 rushing first downs (2.2/game)
• Peak season: 2020 — 51.2 Y/G, 11 TDs, 8.3 attempts/game

2023–2025 (post-injury): 30 games

• 989 rushing yards → 33.0 yards/game
• 151 attempts → 5.0 carries/game at 6.6 yards/attempt
• 9 rushing TDs (one every 3.3 games), 52 first downs (1.7/game)

The volume dropped, not the ability. He's running ~25% less often (6.7 → 5.0 carries/game), which accounts for nearly all the per-game yardage decline because his efficiency actually went up after the injury, from 5.8 to 6.6 yards per attempt. 2024's 7.3 Y/A is the best rate of his career, and his year-by-year Y/G has been quietly climbing back (30.5 → 33.6 → 34.6).

So the post-ACL Kyler isn't a diminished runner, he's a more selective one: fewer designed carries and scrambles, but better yardage when he goes. The thing that hasn't recovered is the touchdown and first-down production, which tracks with fewer short-yardage and goal-line keepers, the exact plays a team protects a rebuilt knee from.

The 2020 season remains the outlier ceiling: 819 yards and 11 TDs from a QB is video-game stuff. The 2023–25 version is closer to "efficient scrambler" than "designed weapon" and seems more to do with the play calling vs him not wanting to run. We will see in Minny is that is that case I guess.

 

[kerouac9]

2019–2022 (pre-injury): 57 games

• 2,204 rushing yards → 38.7 yards/game
• 381 attempts → 6.7 carries/game at 5.8 yards/attempt
• 23 rushing TDs (one every 2.5 games), 127 rushing first downs (2.2/game)
• Peak season: 2020 — 51.2 Y/G, 11 TDs, 8.3 attempts/game

2023–2025 (post-injury): 30 games

• 989 rushing yards → 33.0 yards/game
• 151 attempts → 5.0 carries/game at 6.6 yards/attempt
• 9 rushing TDs (one every 3.3 games), 52 first downs (1.7/game)

The volume dropped, not the ability. He's running ~25% less often (6.7 → 5.0 carries/game), which accounts for nearly all the per-game yardage decline because his efficiency actually went up after the injury, from 5.8 to 6.6 yards per attempt. 2024's 7.3 Y/A is the best rate of his career, and his year-by-year Y/G has been quietly climbing back (30.5 → 33.6 → 34.6).

So the post-ACL Kyler isn't a diminished runner, he's a more selective one: fewer designed carries and scrambles, but better yardage when he goes. The thing that hasn't recovered is the touchdown and first-down production, which tracks with fewer short-yardage and goal-line keepers, the exact plays a team protects a rebuilt knee from.

The 2020 season remains the outlier ceiling: 819 yards and 11 TDs from a QB is video-game stuff. The 2023–25 version is closer to "efficient scrambler" than "designed weapon" and seems more to do with the play calling vs him not wanting to run. We will see in Minny is that is that case I guess.

That doesn’t tell the whole story though. Look at his rushing success rate since the injury.