OT: Kyler Murray Debacle Thread

[WisconsinCard]

Yes I know every loss is on K1 and every win is due to something else. There is a happy medium that doesn’t have to be rooted in hyperbole.

My man all of what you posted is about his results.

Dear lord

Oh you mean they would say exactly what you said about Jacoby? Got it

 

[602 Native]

I feel it's pretty easy to know Monti is lying when he starts out saying "Um, Ah, Yeah, Um, Um, Yeah, we have been in Um communication Um....." He is just scrambling for words. Why is the heck hasn't the PR team asked these questions of Monti beforehand? He should be totally prepared! But NOOOO

By the way 602 Native, I never understood the clown face until now.... It's Bidwill! HAHA! Good call!

It was either the clown for him or the hillbilly that I also created.

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[602 Native]

It is all part of 602's homage to k9.

We are brothers in arms on a lot of things.

 

[TheCardFan]

This helped me think about the benefits of a trade a bit more (Google Gemini):

In early 2026, the Cardinals are in a position where Kyler Murray is virtually untradeable at his current numbers. To move him, they must agree to "pay down" his contract by converting a large portion of his 2026 cash into a signing bonus before the trade.

The table below compares what the New Team would take on in both a "Standard" trade and the likely "Pay-Down" scenario, compared to what the Cardinals face if they simply cut him.

Kyler Murray 2026: Trade vs. Cut vs. Pay-Down​

Figures represent the 2026 league year impact only.

Scenario	Cardinals Cap Hit (Dead Money)	New Team Cap Hit	New Team Cash Owed	Draft Picks Involved
Outright Cut	$54.7M	—	—	None
Standard Trade	$17.9M	$42.5M	$42.5M	Late Round (e.g. 5th)
"Pay-Down" Trade*	$37.9M	$22.5M	$22.5M	Mid/High Round (e.g. 2nd)

*Assumes Arizona pays $20M of his $22.8M base salary as a bonus right before the trade.

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New Team Breakdown: Standard vs. Pay-Down​

If you are the team trading for Kyler, here is how those two paths look for your "guaranteed" vs. "non-guaranteed" books over the next three years.

Option A: Standard Trade (The "Clean" Inheritance)​

The team takes the contract exactly as it is today.

• 2026: $42.5M total ($36.8M is fully guaranteed).
• 2027: $36.3M total ($19.5M becomes fully guaranteed in March 2026).
• 2028: $46.3M (Non-guaranteed).

Option B: Pay-Down Trade (The "Incentivized" Deal)​

In this case, the Cardinals pay $20M of his 2026 salary to "buy" a better draft pick from the new team.

• 2026: $22.5M total (Only ~$2.8M of this is your base salary).
• 2027: $36.3M total ($19.5M still becomes guaranteed in March 2026).
• 2028: $46.3M (Non-guaranteed).

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Strategic Takeaways​

1. For the New Team: The "Pay-Down" is the only way this trade makes sense. Getting a starting QB for a $22.5M cap hit is an incredible bargain (lower than what the Giants are currently paying Daniel Jones or the Seahawks are paying Geno Smith). However, the new team is still stuck with that $19.5M guarantee for 2027 that triggers almost immediately upon the trade.
2. For the Cardinals: The "Pay-Down" is actually better than cutting him. While a $37.9M dead money hit is painful, it is $16.8M cheaper than cutting him outright ($54.7M). Plus, they get a premium draft pick (likely a 2nd or 3rd rounder) instead of losing him for nothing.
3. The "March 15" Deadline: All of this must happen before the 5th day of the league year. After that, his 2027 salary guarantees, and the "price" for both the Cardinals to cut him and the New Team to trade for him jumps significantly.

 

[kerouac9]

I know you won’t.

There are plenty of teams that would take K1. They just know they don’t have to trade to get him.

Agreed

 

[Cardinal88]

The just cut him example above does not show the amount of money the new team will have to pay to get Kyler to sign with them. I don't care what anyone says, Kyler isn't going to sign for free and it won't be a one year prove it deal. If Malik Willis is going to sign for $30-$35M/year, you can bet Kyler's shrewed agent is going to get Kyler at least $40M+/year. That is the gamble the new team has to juggle.

1 - Kyler wants to get cut because he benefits the most - getting paid by the Cardinals and gets paid an additional amount by the new team.

2 - The Cardinals need to find a trade partner to reduce their financial hit.

3 - I feel the new team needs to trade versus just signing him because I can almost guarantee, Kyler's agent is going to get a multi-year contract (3-5 years) and close to $40M a year.

 

[Chopper0080]

I hear more and more about vets on min deals and I just am really curious about what sort of contract Kyler is going to get/accept.

 

[SoonerLou]

For plenty of coaches, there’s a minimum height requirement at the position, and Murray isn’t tall enough to ride the ride. Thus, as a threshold matter, a prospective employer has to be comfortable with Murray’s stature.

Last year, as the trade deadline approached and we poked around regarding the possibility of a trade, we heard that Murray was interested in joining the Raiders or the Vikings. The draw to Las Vegas, however, was offensive coordinator Chip Kelly. He’s now back at the college level.

Here’s another intriguing possibility, in our view: The Falcons. Coach Kevin Stefanski has no apparent qualms regarding shorter quarterbacks; Dillon Gabriel started multiple games for Stefanski and the Browns last year. And Atlanta has plenty of potent offensive weapons, from Bijan Robinson to Drake London to Kyle Pitts Sr.

The X factor in Atlanta will be president of football operations Matt Ryan, a former quarterback who measures six feet, five inches. Ryan may prefer a more traditional quarterback to hold down the fort while Michael Penix Jr. recovers from an ACL tear and the Falcons figure out whether he’s still the guy.

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/where-will-kyler-murrays-career-continue
https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profo...ns-from-deion-sanders-colorado-coaching-staff
I forgot Stefanski trotted out Dillon Gabriel. He knows the Petzing offense. And despite Kyler being a terrible fit he really liked Drew.

I think the Falcons are the team to watch.

 

[kerouac9]

The just cut him example above does not show the amount of money the new team will have to pay to get Kyler to sign with them. I don't care what anyone says, Kyler isn't going to sign for free and it won't be a one year prove it deal. If Malik Willis is going to sign for $30-$35M/year, you can bet Kyler's shrewed agent is going to get Kyler at least $40M+/year. That is the gamble the new team has to juggle.

1 - Kyler wants to get cut because he benefits the most - getting paid by the Cardinals and gets paid an additional amount by the new team.

2 - The Cardinals need to find a trade partner to reduce their financial hit.

3 - I feel the new team needs to trade versus just signing him because I can almost guarantee, Kyler's agent is going to get a multi-year contract (3-5 years) and close to $40M a year.

It’s widely believed Kyler’s contract has offset language so it’s impossible for him to double-dip. If Kyler wants to resuscitate his image and earn a $40MM AAV deal he’ll take a one year deal and get paid by Michael.

 

[WisconsinCard]

The just cut him example above does not show the amount of money the new team will have to pay to get Kyler to sign with them. I don't care what anyone says, Kyler isn't going to sign for free and it won't be a one year prove it deal. If Malik Willis is going to sign for $30-$35M/year, you can bet Kyler's shrewed agent is going to get Kyler at least $40M+/year. That is the gamble the new team has to juggle.

1 - Kyler wants to get cut because he benefits the most - getting paid by the Cardinals and gets paid an additional amount by the new team.

2 - The Cardinals need to find a trade partner to reduce their financial hit.

3 - I feel the new team needs to trade versus just signing him because I can almost guarantee, Kyler's agent is going to get a multi-year contract (3-5 years) and close to $40M a year.

I'm pretty sure whatever he gets from new team will offset what the cards owe him.

 

[BullheadCardFan]

Where will Kyler Murray's career continue?

After seven seasons in Arizona, Murray prepares for a fresh start.

www.nbcsports.com

 

[DVontel]

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[Crimson Warrior]

I wonder who will get credited with starting the “Murray Released!” thread.

 

[Zalixar]

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Not even a stale bag of chips. Bravo FO, bravo.

 

[WisconsinCard]

I wonder who will get credited with starting the “Murray Released!” thread.

I thought you would and title it "Dead to me". But lately you've been referring to a "K1 Super Fan". So I thought you might still be on the train??

 

[some dumb guy]

I thought you would and title it "Dead to me". But lately you've been referring to a "K1 Super Fan". So I thought you might still be on the train??

I think that train has turned into a treadmill...

 

[Harry]

I’d trade him for a seventh if that’s all they can get. i’d never release him and let him pick where he goes.

 

[Phrazbit]

Is Kyler the last of Keim's monstrous gaffe's?

We don't have any more of Keim's failed picks or idiotic contracts on the books after this... right?

 

[Shane]

Is Kyler the last of Keim's monstrous gaffe's?

We don't have any more of Keim's failed picks or idiotic contracts on the books after this... right?

Z. Collins? Although I don’t really think he’s been a “fail”

 

[Crimson Warrior]

I thought you would and title it "Dead to me". But lately you've been referring to a "K1 Super Fan". So I thought you might still be on the train??

Hoping for divine intervention at the moment my friend! Haha, pretty sad I know but what can I say.

I’m probably the last K1 superfan on earth but even I’ll be gone when he no longer wears our jersey.

 

[some dumb guy]

Hoping for divine intervention at the moment my friend! Haha, pretty sad I know but what can I say.

I’m probably the last K1 superfan on earth but even I’ll be gone when he no longer wears our jersey.

That's not true, I was just as amazed by Murray's talent for the first couple of years.
It was the playoff game that started the downfall and lack of mental improvement. But wherever he ends up I think a lot of members here will be watching to see if it was Murray or the cards org

 

[kerouac9]

Z. Collins? Although I don’t really think he’s been a “fail”

Monti extended Collins

 

[Totally_Red]

Hoping for divine intervention at the moment my friend! Haha, pretty sad I know but what can I say.

I’m probably the last K1 superfan on earth but even I’ll be gone when he no longer wears our jersey.

Not a fan but I really hoped he would resurrect his career with a new coaching staff. Instead it was the same old same old and a 32 year old journeyman outplayed him and ended his time here.

At this point he will sign a vet minimum contract somewhere, but he IS financially secure for life thanks to the three stooges (Bidwill, Keim, and Kingsbury).

 

[Chopper0080]

I’d trade him for a seventh if that’s all they can get. i’d never release him and let him pick where he goes.

No one is giving anything for him with that contract. Unless the Cardinals decided to eat the entire amount over what a team will sign for him outright, no one is doing anything. That’s why LOssenfort should have just announced they had given Kyler permission to find a trade.

 

[SoonerLou]

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I just don't see it with the Vikings either. Depends on if the Chiefs want to ease Mahomes back and if Kyler is ok just starting a few games.