Who’s our next qb?

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Jimmy G has a career 8.2 YPA.

Kyler's is 7.

Matt Staffords is 7.4.


I know people will want to reply that he had a lot of YAC with Deebo and Kittle but his air yards per attempt is just under 8. Kyler's is 6.8 and Stafford is 7.32.

I don't want Jimmy G because we can do that with JB, but just for the sake of accuracy.


To be clear I lived in the bay area most of my life and when the 49ers moved on from Jimmy G the 2 things everyone said was can't stay healthy, and won't take the shots downfield. The final straw was his miss of a wide open WR in the Super Bowl that cost them the game, finally decided not to check down, Sanders wide open for a game winning TD and he overthrew him. That was basically it for him. Not that drafting Trey Lance worked out but they got their guy. Shanahan is a very aggressive play caller and he got tired of having the right play called and then Jimmy would check it down.

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What pick are you willing to spend on Simpson or Nussmeier?
For me, a 2nd for the former and a 3rd for the later but I would support something more if my offensive coach wanted him. Kinda like the Broncos did with Bo Nix in that regard.

The main reason a 3rd for Nuss is that I have concerns that he can hold up.
 

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No, they aren't. Taking a small sample size and projecting into a career sample size (or at least a few seasons) is projecting. Doubting that those numbers will project into a top-notch starting QB is not projecting. It is doubting. I find myself on the doubters side with MW, but I understand the need for hope.
Well, saying things like “Signing Malik Willis is writing off the season”, “what would be the point of cutting Kyler and eating a bunch of dead cap to sign worse, less experienced but younger Kyler?” and “I'd rather keep Kyler than sign crappier Kyler. I'd rather start Brissett.” - that is making projections. That is not doubting.

Anyway, we probably both have better things to do with our time than keep debating over semantic stuff. :)
 

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I don't see the Malik Willis love at all. Other than playing for LaFleur's brother, what does he bring to the table?
Upside, I think. At least that is what I do. It is obviously a very sad QB-market this offseason, and there are big questions with all of the options. Willis probably has the most potential, maybe except for Daniel Jones and Ty Simpson. But I assume the Colts will keep Jones, and Willis has at least proven that he can play in the NFL. I think that is why Willis seems a little attractive.
 

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Well, saying things like “Signing Malik Willis is writing off the season”, “what would be the point of cutting Kyler and eating a bunch of dead cap to sign worse, less experienced but younger Kyler?” and “I'd rather keep Kyler than sign crappier Kyler. I'd rather start Brissett.” - that is making projections. That is not doubting.

Anyway, we probably both have better things to do with our time than keep debating over semantic stuff. :)
I'm with you on that. I was just talking baseline.
 

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I’d be very happy adding someone like Zack Wilson or Trey Lance on the cheap to compete with Brissett.

I’d understand signing Kirk Cousins to raise the floor to six wins.

I would not accept paying more than $10 million a year for Malik Willis or going into training camp with Brissett, Jimmy G (or equivalent 30+ year old QB), and a day 2-3 draft pick.
 

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For me, a 2nd for the former and a 3rd for the later but I would support something more if my offensive coach wanted him. Kinda like the Broncos did with Bo Nix in that regard.

The main reason a 3rd for Nuss is that I have concerns that he can hold up.
I’m guessing you’re too late on both. I also think you’ll end up with both not being effective until year 3 if ever.
 

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I’m guessing you’re too late on both. I also think you’ll end up with both not being effective until year 3 if ever.
If one of the earliest of the 2nd round picks is too late for Ty Simpson, then some other team made the big mistake. I'd definitely take him in the 3rd. Not my preference in the 2nd.
 

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If one of the earliest of the 2nd round picks is too late for Ty Simpson, then some other team made the big mistake. I'd definitely take him in the 3rd. Not my preference in the 2nd.
I've seen a few mock drafts that have him going late 1st round.
 

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I’m guessing you’re too late on both. I also think you’ll end up with both not being effective until year 3 if ever.
I agree. Unfortunately, I think you're going to have to move into the bottom half of the first to get Simpson, and probably stay in the top half of the second to get Nussmeier. I think I'd rather sign Willis to a 2 year contract and roll the dice on Beck, Allar, or Klubnik in the 3rd or fourth round.
 

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I’m guessing you’re too late on both. I also think you’ll end up with both not being effective until year 3 if ever.
Maybe. Like I said, if I was a GM and if my MLF equivalent HC really wanted one of these guys, I would be more aggressive getting them. As it stands, I think there are a lot of these guys who are close to Nuss. And I would be fine with Cousins(or equivalent)/Brissett/Klubnik QB room for 2026 as long as I was upgrading other spots.

If MLF is not banging the table for Simpson, I am fine with passing on him. And in an overall sense, I trust MLF a lot more than Monti to identify a QB to work with so I can be patient.
 

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I’d be very happy adding someone like Zack Wilson or Trey Lance on the cheap to compete with Brissett.

I’d understand signing Kirk Cousins to raise the floor to six wins.

I would not accept paying more than $10 million a year for Malik Willis or going into training camp with Brissett, Jimmy G (or equivalent 30+ year old QB), and a day 2-3 draft pick.

We can draft Trey Lance's brother too.

Lance is pretty scary I get the upside he's got good size a strong arm and he can run. But he hasn't thrown a TD pass in the last 3 NFL seasons, all 5 in his career as a rookie. And the fact that Shanahan gave up on him has to be a concern he's one of the better guys in the league with QB's.

But for a reasonable deal I guess it's worth a chance if the assumption is JB is the starter and you hope you're drafting your QBOTF either this year or next. The big issue I always had with Lance is the same one with the Colts guy, the way he runs it's when not if he gets hurt again. If you can get him to slide, it changes all sorts of things with him. Same problem I have with Dart, had a really nice rookie year but the Giants figured it out as the season went on he takes so many big hits because he won't protect himself, it's a huge concern.
 

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We can draft Trey Lance's brother too.

Lance is pretty scary I get the upside he's got good size a strong arm and he can run. But he hasn't thrown a TD pass in the last 3 NFL seasons, all 5 in his career as a rookie. And the fact that Shanahan gave up on him has to be a concern he's one of the better guys in the league with QB's.

But for a reasonable deal I guess it's worth a chance if the assumption is JB is the starter and you hope you're drafting your QBOTF either this year or next. The big issue I always had with Lance is the same one with the Colts guy, the way he runs it's when not if he gets hurt again. If you can get him to slide, it changes all sorts of things with him. Same problem I have with Dart, had a really nice rookie year but the Giants figured it out as the season went on he takes so many big hits because he won't protect himself, it's a huge concern.
Yeah I’m just looking for a high-volatility option. I’m not doubling down on C- players. I’d see if Indy wants to do a fourth-round pick swap for Richardson, too. Richardson is one-year, $5 million.

I don’t think Shanahan gave up on Lance; he just found a better option in Purdy and risked dividing the locker room.

Lance hasn’t had a shortage of good coaching over the past handful of seasons.
 

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Trey Lance knows the offense & is only 25 years old. No brainer!!! Should have fired Monti also!!!
It's definitely a no-brainer...this cat's career completion percentage is 54%! That's not a typo. How is he still in the NFL? Even Deion's kid beat that (not by much). Briskett all the way for '26 (65% in '25), he can push the ball down field, and he's under contract. Let's not over-think it.
 

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I’d be very happy adding someone like Zack Wilson or Trey Lance on the cheap to compete with Brissett.

I’d understand signing Kirk Cousins to raise the floor to six wins.

I would not accept paying more than $10 million a year for Malik Willis or going into training camp with Brissett, Jimmy G (or equivalent 30+ year old QB), and a day 2-3 draft pick.
The above will end up getting us another 3 win season.

Get Jimmy G or trade for Mac Jones, then draft a QB. If it idoesn’t work out next draft another QB.
 

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IMO, Brissett isn’t a starting NFL QB. Most of his numbers came in garbage time. Who knows if Willis is a starting NFL QB, but I think that’s who the Cardinals will go after. That being said, the Cardinals should keep Brissett around just in case.
I don't know what people are talking about that Brissett isn't a starter. First off he way out played Kyler, and he is still going to get a starting gig somewhere.

Second I don't care what part of the game he is playing garbage or otherwise - he threw for a lot of yards against NFL defenses, and very few turnovers. I am not saying he is great - but to me he is absolutely not the reason we lost games. Our D SUCKED, and the O-line couldn't run block for crap either.

How can he be at fault when he didn't turn it over - and he had a higher completion percentage and number of TD's than most starting QB's??? I really do not understand how anyone comes to that conclusion. Are people really so simple minded it's as simple as he was the QB and we lost - therefore it is his fault???

Honestly I would be perfectly happy if he was our starter next year - and my bet is at some point in the season he likely will be again. Obviously he is not a long term answer due to his age and lack of mobility - but the man just did the job at a pretty high level.
 

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Signing Malik Willis is writing off the season.

There is absolutely nothing in evidence that says otherwise.
It wasn't "really, really good". They were similar to an average Kyler Murray start, maybe worse. Certain worse than peak Kyler.

What would be the point of cutting Kyler and eating a bunch of dead cap to sign worse, less experienced but younger Kyler?
That's just blatantly false, which it's hard to believe you don't realize if you actually watched him play.

As The Athletic's Jacob Robinson noted today, "The sample size is tiny — Willis only started three games for the Packers, though he attempted a pass in 10 — yet he has been one of the NFL’s best quarterbacks, based on advanced metrics."
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Murray this season was 38th in success rate and 27th in EPA/play. Last season he was 13th in success rate and 21st in EPA/play.

In the last two years, Willis has completed 78.7% of his passes at 10.9 y/a, 13.9 y/c, with a passer rating of 134.6. Murray has completed 68.7% of his passes at 6.9 y/a and 10.0 y/c, with a passer rating of 92.4.

Harp all you want about the small sample size, but in that time Willis' play was WAY, WAY better than an average Murray start. In fact I'd say he's in pretty good company on the above list.
 
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More on Willis from The Athletic on December 31st:

"How Malik Willis revived his career with the Packers: ‘I’d put him up against anybody’" -Matt LaFleur
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There was buzz before the 2022 NFL Draft that Willis would go in the top 10. He fell to the third round and flamed out after two years in Tennessee. The Packers shipped a measly seventh-round pick to the Titans on the eve of last season for Willis.

Since Green Bay’s mundane maneuver, Willis has blossomed into one of the league’s best backups, if not the top one. Willis has looked like a starter almost every time he’s filled in for Jordan Love, reviving his career under the tutelage of head coach Matt LaFleur and his staff in a place where quarterbacks thrive.

“It’s been really cool watching that and I’m really happy for him,” offensive coordinator Adam Stenavich said. “Every time we’ve needed him, he’s come through and done a nice job and given us a chance to win every game that he’s been in. We’ll see what the future holds for him, but I think he’s really helped himself out, for sure, with what he’s done the last two years here.”

Willis was thrust into the fire last year, just 19 days after arriving in Green Bay. Love sprained his MCL at the end of the season opener in Brazil and Willis started Green Bay’s next two games against the Indianapolis Colts and his former team, the Titans. Even with limited knowledge of the Packers’ offense, Willis excelled in consecutive wins, in part thanks to his own quick learning and on-field skill, but also because of how LaFleur and his staff designed the offense around a quarterback unable to run it all.

Willis only threw 33 times over two games as the Packers leaned on their ground game, but he made throws and created with his own legs when called upon. He did the same again in Week 8 last season after Love injured his groin against the Jacksonville Jaguars, hitting wide receiver Jayden Reed down the left sideline for 51 yards late in the fourth quarter to help set up a game-winning field goal. LaFleur said coaches were “pretty hard” on Willis when he first arrived because of his footwork, but that he’s done an “outstanding” job improving it over the last two seasons. A full offseason and second season in LaFleur’s offense, too, has turned Willis from a flash in the pan to someone who looks like a legitimate NFL starter.

“I just think the consistency, understanding where his eyes need to be in relation to what his feet are telling him, I think he’s put a ton of work in just trying to stay a little bit more balanced when he’s in the pocket,” LaFleur said. “One thing that you see is pretty common amongst many right-handed quarterbacks is they’ll tend to, when they’re throwing left, tend to get a little bit off-balance and that can have some accuracy issues along with that. I think he’s done a really good job in that regard, just staying in better body position, which leads to better balance, which leads to better accuracy.”


Willis may have arrived at 1265 Lombardi Ave. with the reputation of being a run-first quarterback and perhaps a run-only quarterback. He’s certainly made more plays this season with his legs against the New York Giants, Chicago Bears and Baltimore Ravens, but look at the first play of last Saturday’s game against the Ravens as proof of the belief in Willis’ arm, when he dropped the ball in a bucket to wide receiver Romeo Doubs amid contested coverage for 40 yards down the left sideline.

“He can make any throw on the planet,” LaFleur said. “I’d put him up against anybody.”
 

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The above will end up getting us another 3 win season.

Get Jimmy G or trade for Mac Jones, then draft a QB. If it idoesn’t work out next draft another QB.
You’re entitled to your opinion but Cousins is way better than Jones or Jimmy.
 

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The above will end up getting us another 3 win season.

Get Jimmy G or trade for Mac Jones, then draft a QB. If it idoesn’t work out next draft another QB.
Are you campaigning for Jimmy G because you like "JG" instead of "JB"??
Hmmm, me thinks we have an "initial" fetish....LOL

I know, just some dumb guy BS...:)
 

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You’re entitled to your opinion but Cousins is way better than Jones or Jimmy.
Cousins is a an old man with a lot of miles on his body.

I’m open to it but my post was more against bringing Brissett back and riding with him again or turds like Wilson or Lance.

You guys do want MLF to succeed right? Those QBs are horrendous.
 

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That's just blatantly false, which it's hard to believe you don't realize if you actually watched him play.

As The Athletic's Jacob Robinson noted today, "The sample size is tiny — Willis only started three games for the Packers, though he attempted a pass in 10 — yet he has been one of the NFL’s best quarterbacks, based on advanced metrics."
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Murray this season was 38th in success rate and 27th in EPA/play. Last season he was 13th in success rate and 21st in EPA/play.

In the last two years, Willis has completed 78.7% of his passes at 10.9 y/a, 13.9 y/c, with a passer rating of 134.6. Murray has completed 68.7% of his passes at 6.9 y/a and 10.0 y/c, with a passer rating of 92.4.

Harp all you want about the small sample size, but in that time Willis' play was WAY, WAY better than an average Murray start. In fact I'd say he's in pretty good company on the above list.
I thought I would add a little more to strengthen the argument for Willis. This is from ESPN:

“In Green Bay, Willis showed some of the talent that got him drafted in Round 3 in 2022. In 11 games, Willis has 42 carries for 261 yards and three scores. That 6.2 yards-per-rush mark would be fourth behind Murray, Baker Mayfield and Spencer Rattler over the past two seasons among passers with 100-plus dropbacks. Willis' 13% scramble rate and 11.8% explosive run rate would lead all QBs. This guy is a legitimate threat with the ball.”

“His 9.2 yards per dropback is also miles ahead of second place (Jackson at 7.7). And his 86.3 total QBR is miles ahead of second place (Jackson at 69.9).”


BritCard is arguing against better knowledge of the situation.
 

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I don't know what people are talking about that Brissett isn't a starter. First off he way out played Kyler, and he is still going to get a starting gig somewhere.

Second I don't care what part of the game he is playing garbage or otherwise - he threw for a lot of yards against NFL defenses, and very few turnovers. I am not saying he is great - but to me he is absolutely not the reason we lost games. Our D SUCKED, and the O-line couldn't run block for crap either.

How can he be at fault when he didn't turn it over - and he had a higher completion percentage and number of TD's than most starting QB's??? I really do not understand how anyone comes to that conclusion. Are people really so simple minded it's as simple as he was the QB and we lost - therefore it is his fault???

Honestly I would be perfectly happy if he was our starter next year - and my bet is at some point in the season he likely will be again. Obviously he is not a long term answer due to his age and lack of mobility - but the man just did the job at a pretty high level.

If Jacoby had thrown for 3,366 yards, 23 touchdowns, and 8 interceptions for the Raiders and lost all but one game, everyone here would be saying "bring him in. He played really well for the Raiders; they just had a crappy defense and O-line. We can improve both of those, and he'll get more wins."
 
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