OT: Kyler Murray Debacle Thread

[QuebecCard]

Every team is probably a better option for him than Arizona.
He doesn't have a no trade clause and he is under contract, so he has zero leverage.
If he refuses to play, he gets suspended and loses money.

I think he is just as interested in moving to a new team as we are to move him.
The only question at this point is trade compensation.

Zero leverage...

Nobody is going to make a trade, fully respecting his existing contract (IMO), and unless KM is willing to renegotiate, there won't be a deal. End of story. There is nothing in this scenario that provides legal grounds for suspension, provided he arrives at the CARDS facility ready for work.

If Monti can find a trading partner that makes sense to KM, a deal will occur; if not, it won't, and a release will follow if getting rid of him is the bottom line.

I doubt the Browns or the Jets would be seen as attractive options for KM, but perhaps the Steelers, or indoor options in Minn., Indy, or Atlanta, would be.

And I'm not part of the 'we' that thinks moving on from KM this season is a good idea.

 

[Cardinal88]

We have 3 1/2 - 4 weeks before the "decision". NFL new year starts 3/11 and his guatantee kicks in on 3/15.

I've gone back and forth on Murray. Is he better than what we can pick up in free agency, rookie draft picks, or JB for that matter..... yes, he is better WHEN he is healthy. He has only played all the games in 3 of his 7 years a career or like 72% of the games. He has a 43.6% career win record. Is it all on him, no.

However, for a professional, he doesn't carry himself very well. He is somewhat of a introvert and that can't be good when he is the guy talking in the huddle. He has no chemistry with MHJ and I can't tell if it is Murray or MHJ. Plus, we have already seen some players step up and say some negative things about him. For instance, Beachum said he needed to grow up a couple of years ago and another former player said the Jets should stay away from him.

Part of me wants hims to go and the team turn a new leaf but it might be painful for a couple of years. Another part of me wants him to find his love of the game and see what ML can do with him. But only for a year and we better pick up another QB early in the draft this year. Simpson, Beck, Nussmeir would all be decent options to sit behind Murray and JB.

 

[SoonerLou]

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[kerouac9]

Would you trade K1 straight up for JJ McCarthy or Michael Penix?

I’d trade him for a six pack of Michelob Ultras to get his salary off the books.

 

[TheCardFan]

So if you can't trade him, your response is to keep him? What would that look like with Pouty McPouterson?

Is that your way of saying you don't have an answer?

Felt like I answered it above to QC

#1 - you don't cut him and take a $50+M hit
#2 - the market for QB's is significant, especially for teams that have playoff rosters (like Atlanta and Minny). I don't see a scenario where they won't be able to trade K1 in this market
#3 - If they can't trade him. You keep him. I don't know the details on what it would look like but it was interesting that even after being benched/injured, they let him be on the sidelines.

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[kerouac9]

Felt like I answered it above to QC

#1 - you don't cut him and take a $50+M hit
#2 - the market for QB's is significant, especially for teams that have playoff rosters (like Atlanta and Minny). I don't see a scenario where they won't be able to trade K1 in this market
#3 - If they can't trade him. You keep him. I don't know the details on what it would look like but it was interesting that even after being benched/injured, they let him be on the sidelines.

Heavy cope

 

[TheCardFan]

Heavy cope

It's all you can do a a Cardinals fan...smoke the hopium.

We will see what happens K9 but if we cut a QB like K1 in a scarce market - we are at an all time low.

 

[kerouac9]

It's all you can do a a Cardinals fan...smoke the hopium.

We will see what happens K9 but if we cut a QB like K1 in a scarce market - we are at an all time low.

“A QB like K1”? Meaning a guy who makes his teammates worse and can’t win or stay healthy? A guy who got benched for a career backup — and the greater controversy was that he might come back?

The twin problems with Kyler are that he’s not very good right now and also he’s very expensive. The baseline for starting QB play is higher now than it was when teams were giving up round 1-2 picks for Carson Wentz.

Just don’t think that many fans are going to believe that getting Kyler Murray is going to solve your problem. Does Kyler make the Jets or Fins playoff teams?

 

[daves]

He doesn't have a no trade clause and he is under contract, so he has zero leverage.
If he refuses to play, he gets suspended and loses money.

Technically, yes.

But no team is going to trade for him if he lets them know he doesn't want to play for them. And what's to stop him from having a "nagging hamstring injury" that keeps him off the field? So unfortunately he has ALL the leverage unless he decides that he WANTS to play for a team that's willing to trade for him.

 

[PDXChris]

Mike Vick
Edit: Daniel Jones, Sanchez

JaMarcus Russell, he was one of the last free for all #1 pick salary players and they hated him so much, they ate $18 million to not have him on the roster for his 4th season. He eared $1.3 million a game a played in.

 

[kerouac9]

JaMarcus Russell, he was one of the last free for all #1 pick salary players and they hated him so much, they ate $18 million to not have him on the roster for his 4th season. He eared $1.3 million a game a played in.

Rams ate nearly $25 million trading Goff.

 

[TheCardFan]

Rams ate nearly $25 million trading Goff.

But they got Stafford - not the same

 

[TheCardFan]

Does Kyler make the Jets or Fins playoff teams?

No but I think he makes the Vikings and Falcons a playoff team.

 

[TheCardFan]

Technically, yes.

But no team is going to trade for him if he lets them know he doesn't want to play for them. And what's to stop him from having a "nagging hamstring injury" that keeps him off the field? So unfortunately he has ALL the leverage unless he decides that he WANTS to play for a team that's willing to trade for him.

Agree but nearly ANY team situation he could be traded to is better than ours and better than sitting out for a year.

Why would he want to stay here?

 

[Adrian]

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What we all have known for months is now officially out of the bag.

The Arizona Cardinals are looking to trade Kyler Murray.

(Source:
@AdamSchefter
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[kerouac9]

No but I think he makes the Vikings and Falcons a playoff team.

I don’t know how you can’t grok than those teams can’t afford his deal.

 

[football karma]

#1 - you don't cut him and take a $50+M hit

all that happens is $50mm of live cap becomes dead cap. Available cap space remains (effectively) unchanged.

Kylers 2026 cap hit will be $50mm whether he is on the team or cut off the team.

 

[Stout]

Felt like I answered it above to QC

#1 - you don't cut him and take a $50+M hit
#2 - the market for QB's is significant, especially for teams that have playoff rosters (like Atlanta and Minny). I don't see a scenario where they won't be able to trade K1 in this market
#3 - If they can't trade him. You keep him. I don't know the details on what it would look like but it was interesting that even after being benched/injured, they let him be on the sidelines.

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So what's your plan if we do keep him? Start him? Don't make me internet slap you lol Sit him on the bench and watch the team rot from withing? Seriously. What does keeping him look like to you and why would you think it was in any way a good idea?

 

[Stout]

It's all you can do a a Cardinals fan...smoke the hopium.

We will see what happens K9 but if we cut a QB like K1 in a scarce market - we are at an all time low.

It will mean that we don't think it's a good idea to keep him. Which it is very, very much not.

 

[GatorAZ]

Shefter mentioned Miami will eat some of Tua’s deal in a trade. Remind me again if we can do that with Kyler and if so how much?

 

[SoonerLou]

I don’t know how you can’t grok than those teams can’t afford his deal.

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[Crimson Warrior]

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So gross.

 

[SoonerLou]

So gross.

Its about to get ugly.

Im sure the Vikings prefer a Mac Jones over Kyler. However, if he can get there first and sign for a vet min they might just take him.

 

[Redsz]

So gross.

Standard agent posturing. Also told him to wipe all the Cardins stuff off his IG, etc when Kyler wanted an extension.

 

[daves]

Agree but nearly ANY team situation he could be traded to is better than ours and better than sitting out for a year.

Why would he want to stay here?

He wouldn't want to stay, and he wouldn't want to be traded to a team of the Cardinals' choice on a modified version of his current deal (where he gets paid some of his guaranteed money sooner).

He can prevent the Cardinals from trading him by making it known that he doesn't want to play for any team to which the Cardinals would trade him.

Then he'd force the Cardinals to cut him, get paid ALL the guaranteed money he has coming anyway, sign a new contract with HIS choice of team, and potentially get MORE guaranteed money from his new team - which would pay far less than if they picked up Murray's modified contract, yet it would still be more money above and beyond what the Cardinals will be forced to pay him when they cut him.

A big doo doo sandwich for the Cardinals.