OT: Kyler Murray Debacle Thread

[kerouac9]

Then he'd force the Cardinals to cut him, get paid ALL the guaranteed money he has coming anyway, sign ALa new contract with HIS choice of team, and potentially get MORE guaranteed money from his new team - which would pay far less than if they picked up Murray's modified contract, yet it would still be more money above and beyond what the Cardinals will be forced to pay him when they cut him.

This part is probably wrong. Kyler’s guarantees are reportedly offset, so whatever he makes on a new contract with another team following a cut would mean less money from the Cards (and less dead cap).

Also, any team willing to make a 2-3 year commitment to Kyler would be better off making a trade, since his 2027 guaranteed money is pretty reasonable and the rest of his deal is non-guaranteed.

 

[football karma]

Standard agent posturing. Also told him to wipe all the Cardins stuff off his IG, etc when Kyler wanted an extension.

yes, but

K1 and his agent knows that $36mm next year is guaranteed even if cut.

If he doesnt get cut, he is guaranteed $23mm or so for 2027.
But I think its wayyyy more about getting Kyler in a situation where it maximizes his chances for a Darnold like resurrection, even if its less money in 2027.

 

[BritCard]

FWIW I doubt Kyler would prefer to be cut. Getting cut is not good for the ego or your reputation.

I'm sure he'd much prefer to be traded which at least carries the suggestion that somebody wants you.

 

[kerouac9]

FWIW I doubt Kyler would prefer to be cut. Getting cut is not good for the ego or your reputation.

I'm sure he'd much prefer to be traded which at least carries the suggestion that somebody wants you.

Also he probably wants the extra years on his deal

 

[Chopper0080]

This part is probably wrong. Kyler’s guarantees are reportedly offset, so whatever he makes on a new contract with another team following a cut would mean less money from the Cards (and less dead cap).

Also, any team willing to make a 2-3 year commitment to Kyler would be better off making a trade, since his 2027 guaranteed money is pretty reasonable and the rest of his deal is non-guaranteed.

This has been the best case for trading Kyler Murray. The level of initial investment and commitment works a lot better if the receiving team has flexibility and Kyler gets an opportunity to play and increase his overall value.

These are the reasons he gets cut.
1 - Kyler and his agent want a restructured/extended contract from the receiving team. That kills every trade option.

2 - Kyler wants to dictate/limit where he goes. If Kyler and his agent are looking for the perfect spot for him to rehab his image, it more than likely that team will just refuse to trade for him. No reason for a team like Minnesota to give up draft capital if Kyler and his agent put out that he only wants to go there.

3 - If the Cardinals don't want to absorb any of his outgoing salary. This hurts the deal because it really limits the potential teams who can pursue Kyler. If you want access to teams outside of the Steelers and Jets, the Cardinals have to eat some of that salary (imo).

 

[Chopper0080]

This will be fascinating to watch. So many interesting factors in play.

What level of contract is Kyler willing to accept? Salary level is something that many athletes use as a status symbol. What number is his ego willing to accept?

Is Kyler willing to compete for a job? Daniel Jones had to compete. Darold had to compete. Russell Wilson had to compete.

How important is the system/environment to Kyler in relation to playing time? This kinda relates to the compete question, but does Kyler feel like he needs a great situation to increase his value or any situation? Mac Jones didn't sign in SF to get starting reps. Does Kyler feel like he needs that?

What does the league think about Kyler Murray? This will be VERY interesting. What contract amount? Length? Team/system?

 

[Dback Jon]

Cards need to point out that the Cardinals under Kyler were far more competitive with the Seahawks than the Patriots were...

 

[TheCardFan]

Cards need to point out that the Cardinals under Kyler were far more competitive with the Seahawks than the Patriots were...

1/2 times. 44-22 was a bigger blowout

 

[BritCard]

This will be fascinating to watch. So many interesting factors in play.

What level of contract is Kyler willing to accept? Salary level is something that many athletes use as a status symbol. What number is his ego willing to accept?

Is Kyler willing to compete for a job? Daniel Jones had to compete. Darold had to compete. Russell Wilson had to compete.

How important is the system/environment to Kyler in relation to playing time? This kinda relates to the compete question, but does Kyler feel like he needs a great situation to increase his value or any situation? Mac Jones didn't sign in SF to get starting reps. Does Kyler feel like he needs that?

What does the league think about Kyler Murray? This will be VERY interesting. What contract amount? Length? Team/system?

The Vikings are $40m over the cap. I don't see how they could trade for him if they were interested. There's things they can probably do to get square, but take on Kyler's deal as well? I doubt it.

Raiders, Jets and Steelers can afford it. Not really anyone else.

 

[Dback Jon]

1/2 times. 44-22 was a bigger blowout

Which makes Kyler more attractive, since the same team was far more competitive WITH Kyler than without Kyler vs the Seahawks

 

[Cardinal88]

It's too bad Kyler didn't give us 4-5 games of Kyler at his best before his foot injury. Instead, we got Kyler at his average and his sideline pouting. We could have gotten a lot more for him.

 

[kerouac9]

It's too bad Kyler didn't give us 4-5 games of Kyler at his best before his foot injury. Instead, we got Kyler at his average and his sideline pouting. We could have gotten a lot more for him.

He wasn’t even average. He was at his worst in many statistical categories last year.

 

[SoonerLou]

It's too bad Kyler didn't give us 4-5 games of Kyler at his best before his foot injury. Instead, we got Kyler at his average and his sideline pouting. We could have gotten a lot more for him.

If he was average we probably start the season 4-1. I do think the light came on a bit during the 2nd half vs Sea and up until he got hurt vs Ten. However, overall it was the worst start of his career.

 

[Chopper0080]

The Vikings are $40m over the cap. I don't see how they could trade for him if they were interested. There's things they can probably do to get square, but take on Kyler's deal as well? I doubt it.

Raiders, Jets and Steelers can afford it. Not really anyone else.

That is why the Cardinals eating salary will be important...opens up other teams like the Vikings (if they were interested).

 

[football karma]

That is why the Cardinals eating salary will be important...opens up other teams like the Vikings (if they were interested).

kinda curious

as a fan, what would you rather have:

an extra 3rd round pick this year and no incremental 2026 cap space; OR

a 7th round pick swap this year and (lets say) $25mm incremental 2026 cap space


scenario 1 is Mike paying all of Kylers 2026 guarantee to make him more attractive in a trade, garnering a higher draft pick

scenario 2 is Mike paying $9mm of the 2026 guarantee with very little (or maybe no) trade compensation in return, but they dump the contract and the 2026 guarantee

 

[SoonerLou]

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That is why the Cardinals eating salary will be important...opens up other teams like the Vikings (if they were interested).

Problem is the Vikings probably prefer Mac Jones. Might have to trade a higher pick, but isn't not costing as much money.

Would need the Falcons to keep Cousins, Willis to go elsewhere, Daniel Jones returning to Indy and the Vikings not wanting to go into Geno Smith business.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

That is why the Cardinals eating salary will be important...opens up other teams like the Vikings (if they were interested).

For salary cap purposes, trading him and eating some money is still better for us than straight release?

 

[Mainstreet]

He wouldn't want to stay, and he wouldn't want to be traded to a team of the Cardinals' choice on a modified version of his current deal (where he gets paid some of his guaranteed money sooner).

He can prevent the Cardinals from trading him by making it known that he doesn't want to play for any team to which the Cardinals would trade him.

Then he'd force the Cardinals to cut him, get paid ALL the guaranteed money he has coming anyway, sign a new contract with HIS choice of team, and potentially get MORE guaranteed money from his new team - which would pay far less than if they picked up Murray's modified contract, yet it would still be more money above and beyond what the Cardinals will be forced to pay him when they cut him.

A big doo doo sandwich for the Cardinals.

There is always the option the Suns used with Jae Crowder. Tell him to stay home until the situation is resolved.

It's sort of a last option, if he wants to play hardball. This would effectively end his playing career while under contract.

It might coax him into cooperating.

 

[TheCardFan]

That is why the Cardinals eating salary will be important...opens up other teams like the Vikings (if they were interested).

Wouldn't converting salary to signing bonus also work?

 

[Adrian]

Josh Weinfuss

@joshweinfuss
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25m


The Cardinals, in theory, have 5 weeks left to decide what to do with Kyler Murray. He’s due another roster bonus on the fifth day of the league year, which is March 16th.
One thing I’ve heard is that Murray really likes living in Arizona. He’s established a routine here he really likes.
However, I’ve been told that he’s not sure how all of this will play out. And, remember, as I reported on Jan. 26th: A source told me they believe if the Cardinals can trade Murray, they will. Lots will unfold in next month or so

 

[Chopper0080]

Wouldn't converting salary to signing bonus also work?

Maybe. I am not an expert in cap manipulation so I don't always know how those mechanisms work. At worst, the Cardinals should prioritize getting out of Murray's contract long term. Cutting him is honestly not horrible other than the look because you only drop you cap for 2026 by 2 mil and you are free and clear in 2027. Trading Kyler is the best scenario as it opens up cap space, and honestly, if you can get a ham sandwich for him, they should do it.

 

[kerouac9]

Wouldn't converting salary to signing bonus also work?

They’re the same thing. The only way to take on Kyler’s future salary is to convert it to signing bonus.

 

[AsUpRoDiGy]

Josh Weinfuss
@joshweinfuss
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25m


The Cardinals, in theory, have 5 weeks left to decide what to do with Kyler Murray. He’s due another roster bonus on the fifth day of the league year, which is March 16th.
One thing I’ve heard is that Murray really likes living in Arizona. He’s established a routine here he really likes.
However, I’ve been told that he’s not sure how all of this will play out. And, remember, as I reported on Jan. 26th: A source told me they believe if the Cardinals can trade Murray, they will. Lots will unfold in next month or so

He's gonna come back and be like the red-headed step child. #awkward

 

[BritCard]

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[602 Native]

Prepare for this inept franchise to cut K1.

Can’t wait