Potential offensive coordinator

[oaken1]

Mike Shanahan.

Serious name recognition. But not the old Broncos coach....

No.
Mike Shanahan, the OC/WR coach of the Indiana Hoosiers.
The guy that has set records and elevated his players at every stop along his coaching career.

Bidwill likes big names. Mike Shanahan has been a big name for decades in the NFL.

As far as I know he is not related to the NFL Shanahans.... but having a second Shanny in the division couldn't hurt...

We would have to buy him out..the Hoosiers just gave him a new 3 year contract a couple weeks ago...but dude is a rising star and he will surely make the jump to the pro game at some point.
Why not now?
Why not with us?

He spent a few months with the Jets as an udfa..then spent 1 day with Tampa.

Those who can, do.
Those who cannot, teach.

Name recognition along with a serious record of success at every stop he has made in his career.
This is the kind of guy we need to pursue.

 

[oaken1]

Since Bidwill doesn’t want to fire anyone and we accept mediocrity here..How about we hire Stefanksy as HC/OC. Demote Gannon to DC. Rallis to DL, Petzing to TE and keep special teams.

Boom. Experienced coaching staff now!

Plus just keep Murray!

Losers!

Oh yay, winner winner chicken dinner!!

But you forgot the o-line coach...
Move the TE coach over there?

 

[D-Dogg]

And you get 1 shot at it. Do you really want it to be in a no-win situation?

Well, you may get the HC job the next season when Gannon gets fired ‍

 

[Gandhi]

What about Mike Kafka assuming he isn't retained by the new coach?

He was a finalist for the head coach-job before they hired Gannon. Good call, TR.

 

[Gandhi]

No quality OC or DC would sign on with a lame duck HC in Gannon if he’s the coach in 2026. Reason #23 JG needs to be fired.

It would seem very strange if any coach - on the current staff or new one - thinks they will be a failure. If they have success, most like Gannon have success.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Ken Whisenhunt. He got us to a Super Bowl. The system works!!!

 

[vince56]

Ken Whisenhunt. He got us to a Super Bowl. The system works!!!

I always liked Ken. But he had 3 years with 6 game losing streaks after Warner retired. Moving onto BA was the right choice and it feels like we lucked into him.

 

[Harry]

I always liked Ken. But he had 3 years with 6 game losing streaks after Warner retired. Moving onto BA was the right choice and it feels like we lucked into him.

Warner was an OC on the field. Without him Whisenhunt was not effective.

 

[Gandhi]

According to Albert Breer of SI.com, Jim Bob Cooter could be an option. He is an offensive coordinator right now (Colts), so he would need permission to leave, but the thinking is that Gannon and Shane Steichen are such good colleagues that it could be done, if he wanted to.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

According to Albert Breer of SI.com, Jim Bob Cooter could be an option. He is an offensive coordinator right now (Colts), so he would need permission to leave, but the thinking is that Gannon and Shane Steichen are such good colleagues that it could be done, if he wanted to.

Why would he leave an offense with talent for a lesser one for the same role? I mean guys, let’s put some thought into suggestions, no?

 

[Proteus]

Why would he leave an offense with talent for a lesser one for the same role? I mean guys, let’s put some thought into suggestions, no?

The only thing I can think of is if he isn't the playcaller in Indy and he wants to be a playcaller somewhere.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

The only thing I can think of is if he isn't the playcaller in Indy and he wants to be a playcaller somewhere.

Wasn't he the play caller in Detroit?

 

[HairZach]

I think theres a non zero chance we get Stefanski. Even coveted fired head coaches usually take a year off.

 

[slanidrac16]

Look at the Browns, Jets or Giants staff. Reach high.

 

[Proteus]

Wasn't he the play caller in Detroit?

I looked this up and yep, he was. So having playcalling ability (he isn't the playcaller in Indy) may not be as big a draw for him.

 

[Gandhi]

Why would he leave an offense with talent for a lesser one for the same role? I mean guys, let’s put some thought into suggestions, no?

He's not the playcaller, and could be that Arizona would offer more money. Salary is often a big motivator. Thoughts put into it.

 

[Proteus]

He's not the playcaller, and could be that Arizona would offer more money. Salary is often a big motivator. Thoughts put into it.

The Cards offering more money for a coach than some other team? Plus Gannon would probably be on a lot more of a hot seat than Steichen going to next season.

 

[az jam]

Why would anyone want to come and be the OC for Gannon who will be on the hot seat next year if Bidwill is stupid enough to bring him back. Not a smart career move for anyone.

 

[Gandhi]

The Cards offering more money for a coach than some other team?

Coordinators’ salaries are not disclosed, but based on multiple reports, the average for an offensive coordinator is around 1-1.5 million annually, and supposedly Petzing is making 1.5 annually. That would, for example, put him at least in the same level as Klint Kubiak and Mike LaFleur, and likely higher.

 

[Gandhi]

Why would anyone want to come and be the OC for Gannon who will be on the hot seat next year if Bidwill is stupid enough to bring him back. Not a smart career move for anyone.

Many on this board have argued the same, and every time I think it is a strange view.

First, I doubt that most OC’s believe so little in themselves, that their performance would not change the overall situation for the Cardinals (and thus for Gannon).

Second, salary tends to be a good motivator.

Third, there are only 32 OC-jobs in the NFL.

Fourth, it’s certainly not a sure thing that a coach ever gets another chance to become an OC.

Fifth, being a football coach is their life, both economical and prestige-wise. Most coaches have ambitions and want to get as high as they can in their career.

Sixth, in Arizona they would get to work with a new QB - potentially a high draft pick.

Seventh, the offense is pretty much theirs as Gannon is a defensive minded coach.

Eight, he would replace a failure, which is just always a good starting point to be in.

Ninth, if Bidwill thought Gannon was a lame duck waiting to get fired, he would obviously not keep him, and maybe a coach thinks the same way.

Tenth, logic says that there will be big investments in the offense.

Yes, I know I am not a humble person in these things.

 

[slanidrac16]

Many on this board have argued the same, and every time I think it is a strange view.

First, I doubt that most OC’s believe so little in themselves, that their performance would not change the overall situation for the Cardinals (and thus for Gannon).

Second, salary tends to be a good motivator.

Third, there are only 32 OC-jobs in the NFL.

Fourth, it’s certainly not a sure thing that a coach ever gets another chance to become an OC.

Fifth, being a football coach is their life, both economical and prestige-wise. Most coaches have ambitions and want to get as high as they can in their career.

Sixth, in Arizona they would get to work with a new QB - potentially a high draft pick.

Seventh, the offense is pretty much theirs as Gannon is a defensive minded coach.

Eight, he would replace a failure, which is just always a good starting point to be in.

Ninth, if Bidwill thought Gannon was a lame duck waiting to get fired, he would obviously not keep him, and maybe a coach thinks the same way.

Tenth, logic says that there will be big investments in the offense.

Yes, I know I am not a humble person in these things.

All good points but here’s the problem.
If there are 6-7 other opportunities to become the OC we would be the 7 th choice.
The other thing to remember is any OC coming here was probably fired. Why?
The next option is to find an OC is find a guy moving up the coaching ranks that has never been one before.

 

[az jam]

Many on this board have argued the same, and every time I think it is a strange view.

First, I doubt that most OC’s believe so little in themselves, that their performance would not change the overall situation for the Cardinals (and thus for Gannon).

Second, salary tends to be a good motivator.

Third, there are only 32 OC-jobs in the NFL.

Fourth, it’s certainly not a sure thing that a coach ever gets another chance to become an OC.

Fifth, being a football coach is their life, both economical and prestige-wise. Most coaches have ambitions and want to get as high as they can in their career.

Sixth, in Arizona they would get to work with a new QB - potentially a high draft pick.

Seventh, the offense is pretty much theirs as Gannon is a defensive minded coach.

Eight, he would replace a failure, which is just always a good starting point to be in.

Ninth, if Bidwill thought Gannon was a lame duck waiting to get fired, he would obviously not keep him, and maybe a coach thinks the same way.

Tenth, logic says that there will be big investments in the offense.

Yes, I know I am not a humble person in these things.

Many of your points are redundant. There are two sides to this and here is a thrown together ten point kind of rebuttal:

1. Michael Bidwill. He hasn’t invested in the team. What make you think he will change. In fact you will be working for one of the worst and cheapest owners in the NFL that received an “F” grade on his scorecard from players in the NFL.
2. Monti Ossenfort. He has had three years of poor drafting and free agent signings. What makes you think he will suddenly become brilliant and add quality offensive players.
3. Jonathon Gannon. Why would you want to work for a lame duck and an awful head coach.
4. The qb situation. Where are you going to get a quality qb to develop? Not in this years qb draft, not in free agency, not in trades. Look around and come with with a good name as this is not a good year to need a qb.
5. Your reputation can be ruined if this falls apart and chances are it will. There were not many survivors on the Titanic and this is a sinking ship and you are joining it as it is going down.
6. The quality of players that you are inheriting on the offense is terrible, its at the bottom of the NFL.
7. Yeah there are only 32 OC jobs in the NFL but the Cards is one of the worst. If you have any real ambition and think highly of yourself why not wait for a better opportunity.
8. It is going to be a very stressful environment to work in. The fan base dislikes the owner, the media feels that the coach should have been fired. It will be very depressing and you will be under a microscope all the time.
9. Look at what you are up against in the NFC West: the Rams, 49ers and Seahawks. Their defenses are amongst the best in the NFL. The odds are against you from the very start.
10. Logic say this is a dumb career move.

These are certainly all subjective and of course debatable but I do not want to get into a pissing contest. Firing Gannon and getting new coaches IMO is a better solution. Just some thoughts from an also humble person.

 

[Gandhi]

These are certainly all subjective and of course debatable but I do not want to getting into a pissing contest. Firing Gannon and getting new coaches IMO is a better solution. Just some thoughts from an also humble person.

Oh, absolutely that it is all subjective. And I do want to add that I agree that starting over with a completely new coaching staff is the best way to go.

 

[Gandhi]

If there are 6-7 other opportunities to become the OC we would be the 7 th choice.

This is the point I don’t agree with.

The other thing to remember is any OC coming here was probably fired. Why?

This is the point I don’t agree with.

No, they don’t need to be. They might have been fired before, but there could be many reasons for that. For example, maybe the head coach was fired, so they just followed. Right now they might be position coaches.

 

[slanidrac16]

This is the point I don’t agree with.


This is the point I don’t agree with.

No, they don’t need to be. They might have been fired before, but there could be many reasons for that. For example, maybe the head coach was fired, so they just followed. Right now they might be position coaches.

I understand.
So if Gannon were to get fired would teams be clamouring for Petzing to be their next OC?