Well when I say that I mean Coach, GM, and QB. I am not talking the 6 good players on the roster, which Awfulfort absolutely jettisoned half
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Well when I say that I mean Coach, GM, and QB. I am not talking the 6 good players on the roster, which Awfulfort absolutely jettisoned half
Cardsfaninlouky
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In the sense that there isn't any good QB's in this draft class & so we may have to wait another year after that. Do you honestly think MB has a better plan for a QB lol? I was basically being hypothetical in the fact the team is a mess & saying JB may have to be the guy for those 2 years.
Oh okay. So I guess your contribution will be just to bitch about everything without any type of intellectual input. Okay.
Back to Brissett. Sure he pads the stats. Would we be happier if we just handed the ball off when we are 20 points down.
Would he have to throw 50 times a game if we could run the ball?
Would his lack of speed be a problem if we had an o-line? I don’t think Stafford is very fast.
Why has Wilson and McBride excelled since Brissett took over. They didn’t get all those yards and Td’s during garbage time in the 4th quarter.
I’m not saying he’s is the long term answer. I was thinking Daniel Jones might be an option. Not any more.
Now the only guy I see is maybe Mariotta.
As this team is currently constructed and coaching, a rookie quarterback thrown in as a starter would be ruined and physically never make it through the season.
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Maybe no choice with this cap
You may not believe in stuff like QBR and EPA but he is markedly worse than Kyler, who is deservedly gone. These stats are meant to be like FIP and give you some sort of measurable that is independent of their teammates.
And beyond that, it is evident in just how we are getting blown out. When you are losing by 20+ multiple weeks, the QB is absolutely part of that issue.
In 8 starts, Brissett is a combined -63 in point differential. That's the stat that matters.
There is a path forward next year that requires some willingness to admit you messed up. This is what I mean by tearing it down. Maybe you can trade Murray or Budda but I doubt it. This at least lets you have a clean 2027.
Kyler Murray - -4 million in cap space
Budda Baker - +5.5 million
Dalvin Tomlinson - +9.5 million
Justin Jones - +8.9 million
James Conner - +8 million
Sean Murphy Buntiung - +7.5 million
Bilal Nichols - +6 million
Now this creates over 41 million in cap space giving you nearly 80 million to spend but if you look above, most of that is Monti's fault. Also this takes 63 million off of 2027's cap
You can either hand a new GM a clean slate and a decent draft pick or you can continue with the SOS squad and pretend it will work out differently.
This plan keeps Jacoby because he only gets you 5 million by cutting him.
Chopper0080
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This is an outdated mindset. They absolutely can replace 7 starters.
Chopper0080
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I don't think it is a full tear down. The difference IMO is the age of the talent of the roster, and the positions they play.
You have a LT, two WRs, and a TE (two tbh Tip is valuable just overdrafted) to build your offense around. Outside of QB, those are the tougher, more expensive spots to fill.
I think Walter Nolen is good. Can you keep him healthy? Sweat is a nice piece outside and on a decent contract. I think Will Johnson can be a #2 CB at least. GWill can be a nickel and you might just pay him vs letting him walk ala Murphy. Maybe you can coach up a few of DTD, Crawford, Melton, Drob, Burch, and Ojulari to be league average pieces. Dalvin gives you a year to add a NT. Mack Wilson gives you at least 1 startable ILB.
The biggest questions are can another coach get more out of the talent that Monti acquired, and how do you address the QB position. The rest is absolutely workable if you replace Monti and Gannon with competent replacements. (I don't know that Bidwill can do this but other teams certainly can).
Chopper0080
2021 - Prove It
I think you can do better, and I will put something together a bit later.
Sure but what I posted is basically every high paid vet outside of Sweat. That is a tear down due to incompetence.
And you are going to have to extend Paris and Wilson
phillycard
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Therein lies the problem. We will NEVER until we get this fixed. Unfortunately, I see no end in sight. It's been since day 1 with this regime.
The Rams, Seahawks and 49ers would all be favored to win the AFC right now. No who our coach is our records are going to be worse than most until we are ready to attend a superbowl.
Show me the numbers especially after you take the Murray hit.
Stout
A handful of fairy tales from the story bag...
The Rams have proven time and again that the cap is ephemeral and there are tons of ways around it.
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same with the niners.
Do you think it’s possible his rating would go up with a better o-line and a running game? Maybe.
But you’re dodging the question. If it’s not Kyler and it’s not Brissett then who.
Or are you just throwing your arms in the air and start watching roller derby?
kerouac9
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You’re wrong about this. This article will bring you up to speed on the possible Kyler scenarios:
The Cardinals and Kyler Murray | Over the Cap
The Cardinals and Kyler Murray | Over the Cap
overthecap.com
Chopper0080
2021 - Prove It
I mean, the Cardinals are currently projected to be 31.4 mil under the cap. Cutting Kyler outright is the most cap costly move and it only reduces the cap by 1.5 mi. Call the Cards cap after cutting him 30 mil. They can free up the following.
Justin Jones +8.8
B Nichols +6
J Conner +8
E Brown +5
ADG +4.6
SMB +7.5
J Blount +1.8
J Gaines +1.1
O Pappoe +1.1
That opens up 43.9 mil in space with only Evan Brown being a semi-positive starter from 2025 you are cutting. even if they decided to keep Brown, it still opens 38.9 mil. You can easily combine that with the already open 30 mil and fund 7+ starters.
Chopper0080
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So with the above scenario, this is what the roster looks like
QB - ? (Brissett and ?)
RB - ?
WR - MHJ
WR - Wilson
WR - ?
TE - McBride
TE - Tip
LT - PJJ
LG - ?
C - Fro
RG - ?
RT - ?
EDGE - Sweat
DE - Nolen
NT - Tomlinson
DE - ?
EDGE - Collins
ILB - Wilson
ILB - ?
CB - Will Johnson
CB - ? (STV or Melton)
CB - GWilliams
S - Baker
S - ? (DTD)
There are significant holes here but I would argue this shouldn't be too tough to fix as long as you hit on your players. The toughest spots are QB, OL, and DL with OL and DL being the money pits. I don't necessarily see a QB they would pay up for. Maybe they spend 10 mil on a RB but that would likely be the top end.
QB - ? (Brissett and ?)
RB - ?
WR - MHJ
WR - Wilson
WR - ?
TE - McBride
TE - Tip
LT - PJJ
LG - ?
C - Fro
RG - ?
RT - ?
EDGE - Sweat
DE - Nolen
NT - Tomlinson
DE - ?
EDGE - Collins
ILB - Wilson
ILB - ?
CB - Will Johnson
CB - ? (STV or Melton)
CB - GWilliams
S - Baker
S - ? (DTD)
There are significant holes here but I would argue this shouldn't be too tough to fix as long as you hit on your players. The toughest spots are QB, OL, and DL with OL and DL being the money pits. I don't necessarily see a QB they would pay up for. Maybe they spend 10 mil on a RB but that would likely be the top end.
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there are no defensive needs compared to the offense - zero zilch nada - especially in monti's eyes who already has his draft picks developing at edge - ilb - cb
kerouac9
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Are we fielding a 7-win team or trying for a 10-win team?
You can get functional defensive linemen on a budget—the Cards did it the past two seasons. Maybe DRob matures.
You can’t really bank on getting functional OL starters that way. Evan Brown can be the worst player on an adequate line (as we saw last season), but you load up with these guys and you end up both bad and thin.
I love it when these guys take these numbers apart. He says, “The Cardinals have wisely stayed away from restructuring Murray’s contract, but the cost to release him is still high due to the guaranteed salary. If the team releases Murray from his contract then would take on $54.718 million in dead money in 2026, a loss of about $1.5 million in cap room.” How does $54 million become 1.5 million? I’ve always been taught dead money was a charge against the cap. His prorated bonuses total $18 million and my understanding is they accelerate to a cap charge. He then goes on to say the $18 mil will accelerate if he’s traded. I agree. He then suggests the Cards could pay down some of his salary. So who’s cap does that charge against? Is the NFL going to just ignore it? Any salary paid has always counted against the cap. I respect this site and the author. I assume there’s a misprint somewhere. If you believe it’s accurate, please explain the calculation that produced $1.5 mil.
kerouac9
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If nothing happens and Kyler is on the roster in 2026, his cap charge is $53 million.
If the Cards cut him before his 2027 guarantee comes due, they’ll have to pay him $36.8 million in already guaranteed 2026 salary plus already-paid bonuses totals is $54.78 million. This the Cards only take on $1.5 million in additional cap charge by releasing him compared to if he stayed on the roster.
If the Cards convert some of his 2026 salary to bonus to facilitate a trade, they’ll have to keep that money on their cap, but they’re relieved of his $42.54 million 2026 salary charge (minus whatever the Cards convert), so they’d actually save money and cap space by paying Kyler to go away.
It’s not calculus; it’s simple arithmetic.
