Ossenfort’s Performance

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Has Tomlinson contributed anything? Calais is the MVP of the D (and we should never have let him go in the first place), but Sweat has been a solid B.
Tomlinson has been a good run defender. Never expected him to make splash pass-rush plays because that’s what he wasn’t brought it in as. I feel like the best runs our defense has allowed have mostly went outside.
 

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Thanks Harry. Monti suffers in comparison with arguably two of the top 5 or 6 best front offices in the league in L.A. and Seattle. The biggest issue(s) I see are a sub optimal QB and a mediocre or worse bunch of coaches on offense.

Hopefully Monti improves and learns from mistakes.
 

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my criticism of Monti:

IF as a GM you know that Kyler is your QB for 2025 -- then:

you should know that more than most QBs -- he is impacted by up the gut pressure far, far more than edge pressure. This is amplified by the fact that teams regularly try to do the contain rush to keep him in the pocket. This puts an emphasis on the three interior OL positions. With a good starter in Will Hernandez as a ? due to an ACL and what you saw from Isiah Adams -- I would have expected more urgency in getting a top notch guard to add to the mix. Instead we got Jake Curhan.

Further: a good GM would have recognized that too much pressure was put on MHJ to step in and be a No 1 WR without a better / more experienced #2. Adding some speed to an offense where the HC wants "shots" would have helped as well. We got NO CHANGES.
These are the biggest fails by far as they are so obvious even to a rookie fan
 

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Good grief… you said the same thing LAST offseason.

We have GAPING holes on the O-line at G and RT and another G could use an upgrade. We will have a GAPING hole on the D-Line when Calais retires, we still have massive holes at ILB and one OLB and only have one CB we can kinda depend on who’s okay (Melton). Throw in no #2 or #3 WR and all of that is going to get solved in another offseason when they have had THREE offseasons to solve those positions already?
This is spot on
 

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Monti is likely handcuffed by Bidwill. For other teams, the cap is a competitive limit. For Mikey, it’s the deep end of the pool that he doesn’t want to approach.
 

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maybe it's me - everybody i like gets hurt or drops the ball - no more hippie praises - spit stats like a robot
 

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He stinks. You could draft better just following ESPN's "best available". He regularly full round reaches and I call it every time (or 2 round reaches on Tip Reiman). All of his reaches are terrible for where they were drafted.

There is no plan. No identity. There are no strengths.

His free agents prior to this year were all JAGs or hilariously overpaid.
 

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Just to be clear my top 4 players on the Cards are:

Trey McBride
Budda Baker
Paris Johnson Jr
Kyler Murray

l would put Murray over PJJr especially this year but whatever.

Monti is super lucky that everyone hates Murray. He should be gone after this year but the 4th best player on the team will fall on the sword for him
 

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I am going to say the people defending Monti also think taking Reiman in round 3 was smart.
Also I wonder to whom they’re comparing Monti. He has 31 other colleagues and competitors! We’re not comparing him to nothing at all.

Chris Ballard is whipping Monti’s tail! Joe Schoen has put together a more fun and interesting team! We shouldn’t have to settle for replacement-level general management!
 

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The 2024 FA class is the biggest stain on Monti's record no doubt. But what did he do? He immediately addressed it the next year. I think he is someone who can learn from his mistakes and own them when they are there.

The Harrison over reactions are incredible - as if there is one single person here who wouldn't have drafted Harrison in that same position. How is he supposed to anticipate 3-4 starters in the CB room going down with season ending injuries? Are you going to blame monti for using voodoo on the calves of our rookie defensive lineman?

This team was an absolute trash heap when he came here- this is the first year we have seen regressions- I'm waiting to see how he reacts. Letting petzing/Murray circus continue after this year is about the only thing that is going to make me jump ship at this point on monti until I see more
 

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The 2024 FA class is the biggest stain on Monti's record no doubt. But what did he do? He immediately addressed it the next year.
Awesome. We’ll always be a year behind while Monti fixes his mistakes from the previous season.

I can’t believe there are Monti Ossenfort dead-enders. He’s 14-24! What are you defending? Have more self-respect.
 

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I am going to say the people defending Monti also think taking Reiman in round 3 was smart.

Also I wonder to whom they’re comparing Monti. He has 31 other colleagues and competitors! We’re not comparing him to nothing at all.

Chris Ballard is whipping Monti’s tail! Joe Schoen has put together a more fun and interesting team! We shouldn’t have to settle for replacement-level general management!
Again Monti has made mistakes, but you guys are going over the top. This is a Petzing/Kyler issue.

If we could throw the ball we'd all be singing Monti's praise about this defense/winning games.

He's gotta turn up the heat on JG to get this done. Cause the coaches arent elevating the players.
 

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Keep in mind all that was required of him was to fix a franchise that last won the top prize in 1947, when BTW they were owned by the same family. How hard could that be? I have to chuckle about people thinking he should fix this in 3 years. How many GMs have been with the Cards and failed since 1947? I didn’t waste the time to count them; it’s a lot. Remember even in their Super Bowl year the Cards regular season record was 9-7.

I was asked to review his drafts. I’m going to take a broader view and review his overall performance. While the jury is still out I’ve already posted I think Gannon was as a good a choice as was practically available. Don’t lose sight of the fact that top people aren’t clamoring to work for Bidwill. Just ask Reid and Payton. The Cards will have to develop a coach. Ken Blanchard author of the book One Minute Manager, likens the Cardinal fans’ position to looking for a Sea World performer. You go out in small boat, spot an Orca, hold a rod out above the water and shout jump. If you can’t hire it; you have to develop it.

The second big indictment of Ossenfort was letting Allen and Murphy leave via free agency. While I think Ossenfort was in a tough spot of not knowing whose evaluation to trust, I accept it was indeed a mistake to let those players leave. I don’t believe it had a big impact on the rebuild, but they’ve both proven to be quality NFL players.

I’m not going to list them but for the most part Ossenfort’s free agent signings have been better than average. Some complain he should have signed more players, but you can only integrate so many players and have effective participation. He’s signed a big bunch of people. He hasn’t missed on many substantial choices, though injuries skewed his results.

Draft-wise taking them one year at a time, 2025 saw all 7 picks essentially make the roster. With Nolen out it’s hard to fully assess the 2025 impact. Johnson and Burch look like exceptional choices. I think it will at least be a solid draft. If Nolen hits it will be outstanding. There weren’t enough picks to fix everything, but focusing on the side of the ball that has the best coaching, makes sense to me.

In 2024 I would have traded some late picks. They had too many. Hard to coach up that many players. I know I will deviate from the board on this part of my review. I think it’s fair to say other WRs have outplayed Harrison, though I do believe some played in better circumstances. Nabers, though now injured, has been great without a doubt. Not certain how he’d have done in AZ, but likely better than Harrison’s done. I certainly haven’t given up on Harrison. I still maintain Harrison was the consensus choice for that pick. Robinson’s injury clearly set him back. He may just now be getting where he should have been last year. Late round 1 can often be a tricky place to grab a DL. Also I agree with some others; he may really be better at DE. Too soon to make a good call about him, but now with a mystery injury; who knows. Again people must expect GMs to be psychic. Robinson played 49 games in college with excellent stats that indicated aggression. He suffered no major injuries, being consistently healthy. Just how was Ossenfort supposed to predict his injury woes? BTW the injury concern is why Benson slid to round three though he was most often ranked the number one RB. At Oregon Benson had a major knee injury, tearing his ACL & MCL. In 2 years at FSU he was never significantly injured despite carrying the ball 300 times. I haven’t seen any revised stats but it used to be a torn ACL was about 15% likely to recur. Drafting him could fairly be called a reasonable gamble.

Round 2 was Melton and when playing with the normal pairings he looked solid. He could use some safety help, like many corners. I think Benson was a good choice in round 3 though risky as I said above. He needs a fair shot with the proper running schemes. Adams looks like a reach at this stage. I like Reiman, especially on a run-first team. DTD was a great pick. He should start ahead of Thompson in my opinion. Thomas looked like an okay gamble for a round 5 pick, but the Cards now simply have better rushers. Jones is still distant from an impact player. Injuries haven’t helped. Palmer and Davis were just bodies. This is at least an average draft and if I’m right about player development it could end up as very good. It’s a pointless exercise IMO to pick one player drafted after a specific pick and say the Cards should have picked that player. You could do that with virtually any draft.

2023 saw the Cards get a decent if not flashy LT in Johnson. I never liked Gaines, but the Cards seem to. Ojulari has been a hard luck injury victim who flashed some when he got on the field. Tune had the raw talent but never exhibited enough composure. Like Murray he was damaged by poor line play. No clue on Robinson. Clark has proven to be at least a decent backup CB now that he’s been allowed to play. This was a first draft by a new GM who likely didn’t have his preferred scouting and evaluation staff in place. It’s like working in the dark. Likely a somewhat below average result.

Drafting is tough. The move for a college player to the NFL is often challenging. Rarely after the top 15 picks do all a team’s scouts agree on a pick. Even with the right pick, coaching and injury can destroy the best strategies. Look at the mocks from former scouts and GMs. They never agree beyond sometimes the early picks. I think Ossenfort’s drafts have improved from year to year. I’m anxious to see what he does next year. Improvement is the primary objective if the latest draft is sound.

I’m not certain there’s a magic number but we used to say if half your picks make the 53 that’s a good draft. Though I admit the Cards started with a very weak roster. Of course also if you only hit on the bottom picks, that’s obviously not good. I think Ossenfort overall has been reasonably successful.

When he arrived in Arizona the Cards were in total disarray roster-wise. They still have obvious gaps, but you can only fix so much in 3 years. I know that seems like a long time to fans, but it’s not a full run in the NFL. I look at a 5 year period if you’re starting from near zero, especially for a first time GM. I agree that if a team is consistently going backwards, unless they suffer severe injuries, it’s a cause for concern. I think Ossenfort has moved the team forward despite some coaching issues. This is clearly a better roster than the one he inherited. He hasn’t fixed everything but patience is still a virtue.
The issue I have with your baseline argument of he inherited so little is he purposefully made it worse by gutting the roster to start from scratch. That was his strategy, so he doesn’t get to use it as an excuse.

I’m also going disagree with your assessment of his free agency. To date his “hits” in free agency are 137 year old Calais and Tomlinson. And those were signings at positions where he blew chunks of cap the year before. He also gets credit for froholdt & Wilson - they’re solid but not home runs. And sweat is a good signing. If those were our only holes he’d get a pretty grade from me. But those weren’t our only holes. He didn’t effectively fill the guard slots or receiver slots or right tackle. And he’s still sitting on cap space.
 

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Wow do we see things differently. You’re missing Campbell who’s tied with Sweat for 12th in the league for sacks. Mack Wilson has been very good. He’s tied for 13th in the league for total tackles and he’s just learning the defense. As to the ones you mentioned. Williams played well before his injury last season. He’s not the same player now. Tomlinson has been decent against the run IMO. Dallas was signed as a returner and was solid but got squeezed out. Jones and Nichols were both injured, though I didn’t like their injury history. SMB showed potential and would have competed to start this season. They got their monies’ worth out of Dortch. Beachum has been a solid backup. Gillikin has been an exceptional punter. For a team focusing on improving through the draft, I think this is decent. No big expensive misses that plagued other teams.
I’m not sure how much value you can give a guy who says he’s only playing one year. I loved the Campbell signing, but that’s not really building the team for the future.
 

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The thing I have to chuckle at is how easy posters ridicule how Monti hasn't brought in such and such or made a big splash in FA. I think it is sometimes forgotten that it takes two to tangle in FA.

A free agent has to want to come to this team and when you consider who the owner is and how the facilities rank in the NFL among other things, Monti is somewhat behind the eight ball in attracting top FAs to Arizona. When you are getting D and F ratings on various things and another team offering similar money are getting A, B or even C ratings it's tough to compete with that.

You can be sure players talk and I suspect that is also a factor when a FA is looking for a new place to play.

I'm not saying Monti has been great, not nearly however we have to acknowledge the limitations he is dealing with.
The fact is, Monti knew where he was coming and signed up for the task. His job is to succeed in acquiring talent and building a team that wins, not just try real hard but fail to do so because being gm of the Cardinals is hard. His job is to literally pull the right strings to convince good players to come here or make excellent decisions in talent evaluation. Not just try real hard and fail. A fail is still a fail.
 

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He stinks. You could draft better just following ESPN's "best available". He regularly full round reaches and I call it every time (or 2 round reaches on Tip Reiman). All of his reaches are terrible for where they were drafted.

There is no plan. No identity. There are no strengths.

His free agents prior to this year were all JAGs or hilariously overpaid.
Keim seemed to follow Pff's suggestions. :shrug:
 

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It's not like we get bonus points for having horrible ownership. Monti can and should be judged by how he does vs. his peers.

You have to have a lot of faith to believe that what is being put together right now is the next great Cardinals roster.
Yes.

This should be a playoff team this year. Even now, at 2-2 this team should still make the playoffs. That is if Monti is even an AVERAGE GM, this should at LEAST be #7 and in the playoffs.

I think Sweat, Campbell and Tomlinson have been good signings. Did we pay too much? Sure. But that is free agency.

But the failure to pick up a good veteran CB when they were actually available and a good veteran WR has certainly hurt us early. And we have cap room.
 

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You guys are shoveling a lot of dirt onto MO's grave considering we'll likely be 3-2 tomorrow evening. :)

Not necessarily arguing draft success or particular FA signings, but it's still possible this team wins 10 games this year. Less likely than it seemed this summer, but still very possible. If so, then I'll die on the hill that the rebuild was a success.
 

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