OT: Kyler Murray Debacle Thread

[BritCard]

There’s a reason he gets that much usage, dude. And it’s not just because of Kyler loves him. Stop slighting McBride to fit your agenda.

Dude, come on. Kyler likes to throw in the areas that McBride operates. McBride is great, but also he's playing with a QB that doesn't throw downfield and is crap throwing outside the numbers. It's a combination.

Still, every GM in the league would swap a great TE for a great QB without thinking twice.

 

[oaken1]

Mandatory viewing if you want to better understand what's happening with our passing game.

It's a good video.

But I am curious what you think is more likely...
That every single WR we have on the roster keeps screwing up his reads?
Or that the guy chucking the rock is misreading the defense?

There is only one common denominator.

 

[Proteus]

I think the Cards move on from Murray in a season or two unless he significantly improves.

 

[BritCard]

I really want to know the real story of you and Kyler.. I imagine it involves some explicit letters and pictures that you sent him that doesn’t get responded to. It’s wild, I’ve never seen a hatred for a person for the way you hate Kyler.

It's really simple. Even you can understand it. Maybe I was too subtle in all my posts on the subject so I'll be more strident.

Here goes.

He's really bad at playing quarterback and he's ruining the team I support. Quarterback is supposed to be the most interesting position to watch, but I find him boring and tedious. I watch football as entertainment and Kyler is as entertaining as genital warts.

That's the story.

 

[BullheadCardFan]

I think the Cards move on from Murray in a season or two unless he significantly improves.

Hopefully the end of this year if we keep going down this path

Time to eat the money and start over

 

[Stout]

It's true I do still think he has greatness in him. Absolutely. 100%.

But when you guys point to whatever QB happens to be on a heater, like Allen currently, Herbert last week, Daniels last season, Lamar Jackson sometimes, and say "this is how Murray should play for us consistently" I just don't think is very realistic or fair.

That is what greatness is. That is what you think he has in him. He doesn't.

For my part, I'm not demanding greatness. I demand consistency and good play. There's no reason I shouldn't expect him to be a top 10 QB.

 

[BritCard]

It's true I do still think he has greatness in him. Absolutely. 100%.

But when you guys point to whatever QB happens to be on a heater, like Allen currently, Herbert last week, Daniels last season, Lamar Jackson sometimes, and say "this is how Murray should play for us consistently" I just don't think is very realistic or fair.

When you say "heater" you mean quarterbacks that have been consistently good to great every week for years. These guys floors for a bad week are Kyler ceiling for a good week.

This is what being great is. I'm not sure how you can say you think he can be great but not like these guys. That's what great looks like.

I'd take Dak Prescott levels TBH.

My biggest concern is that his ceiling isn't getting higher, it's getting lower. A few years ago he was a 11-14 ranked QB, then 13-17 and now he's moved back again. He's both getting worse himself and being overtaken by other QB's.

 

[BritCard]

I don't get to hear it but I assume Arizona radio has the usual fan call in shows? What's the vibe from fans on those?

 

[oaken1]

It's really simple. Even you can understand it. Maybe I was too subtle in all my posts on the subject so I'll be more strident.

Here goes.

He's really bad at playing quarterback and he's ruining the team I support. Quarterback is supposed to be the most interesting position to watch, but I find him boring and tedious. I watch football as entertainment and Kyler is as entertaining as genital warts.

That's the story.

I was always curious about that comparison. But lacking first hand knowledge i could never be certain.
Thanks for providing me clarity on the tedium of genital warts man. I know it can be hard to discuss such things in public.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

That is what greatness is. That is what you think he has in him. He doesn't.

For my part, I'm not demanding greatness. I demand consistency and good play. There's no reason I shouldn't expect him to be a top 10 QB.

Okay, fine. I see your and BritCard's point generally. And Allen is playing great. I wish K1 were playing as well as he.

But it's a little grating though, my friend, to watch the Never-Murrays salivate over whatever QB is having a nice three game stretch, no matter how much they've stunk in the past.

Pining to see that QB in Cardinal red.

Guys lining up to say that they wish we had signed Daniel freaking Jones being the latest example.

And how's the "Geno Smith is a million times better than Murray" crusade going these days?


Career stats

Year Year	Team Team	CMP% Completions percentage	YDS Passing yards	TD Passing touchdowns	INT Interceptions thrown	Rating Passer rating
2025 2025	Raiders	63.8 63.8	948 948	6 6	7 7	79.

Stout... is it possible... is it even remotely possible... that Geno Smith's production and performance increased dramatically when he became part of SEA's competently designed offense with good talent around him, and has now dropped off to "Old Geno" because he is now in a much less advantageous situation? Let me know what you think please and thanks.

And again, that's my main point this week.

To give Murray a fair chance to succeed here in ARZ, we need to make his supporting cast, a little better man. Just a little.

I'm not asking for superstars at every position, but a little better than what were firing out there with him right now.

 

[Stout]

Okay, fine. I see your and BritCard's point generally. And Allen is playing great. I wish K1 were playing as well as he.

But it's a little grating though, my friend, to watch the Never-Murrays salivate over whatever QB is having a nice three game stretch, no matter how much they've stunk in the past.

Pining to see that QB in Cardinal red.

Guys lining up to say that they wish we had signed Daniel freaking Jones being the latest example.

And how's the "Geno Smith is a million times better than Murray" crusade going these days?


Career stats

Year Year	Team Team	CMP% Completions percentage	YDS Passing yards	TD Passing touchdowns	INT Interceptions thrown	Rating Passer rating
2025 2025	Raiders	63.8 63.8	948 948	6 6	7 7	79.

Stout... is it possible... is it even remotely possible... that Geno Smith's production and performance increased dramatically when he became part of SEA's competently designed offense with good talent around him, and has now dropped off to "Old Geno" because he is now in a much less advantageous situation? Let me know what you think please and thanks.

And again, that's my main point this week.

To give Murray a fair chance to succeed here in ARZ, we need to make his supporting cast, a little better man. Just a little.

I'm not asking for superstars at every position, but a little better than what were firing out there with him right now.

Who has said they wished we signed Daniel Jones to play instead of KM?

Yeah, Geno was never a million times better than KM. Arguably better, but only arguably. Situation could definitely be a factor there.

But, the problem is, we can have credible arguments that Geno is better than KM. That is very, very bad.

 

[602 Native]

Who has said they wished we signed Daniel Jones to play instead of KM?

Yeah, Geno was never a million times better than KM. Arguably better, but only arguably. Situation could definitely be a factor there.

But, the problem is, we can have credible arguments that Geno is better than KM. That is very, very bad.

Dear Lord

Open this child’s eyes to the thread he is in and learn the search function

 

[Crimson Warrior]

It's a good video.

But I am curious what you think is more likely...
That every single WR we have on the roster keeps screwing up his reads?
Or that the guy chucking the rock is misreading the defense?

There is only one common denominator.

Wow, the knives are out!

What's great about that video is KW points out many things K1 could have done better vs. SEA too. Many things. It's pretty fair.

My thought is all three components of the passing game could have been better vs SEA:

1. Receivers (but not McBride)
2. Scheme
3. QB1

And that's why everything in the passing game looks like such an incredible struggle.

 

[Chopper0080]

Wow, the knives are out!

What's great about that video is KW points out many things K1 could have done better vs. SEA too. Many things. It's pretty fair.

My thought is all three components of the passing game could have been better vs SEA:

1. Receivers (but not McBride)
2. Scheme
3. QB1

And that's why everything in the passing game looks like such an incredible struggle.

The more info that comes out, the more it is on Kyler's lack of communication/leadership more than anything. The Warner video highlights that most of these players have no clue what Kyler wants to do at a detail level. Leverage. Depth. Positioning. Coverage and blitz adjustments. Scramble drill. These are all of the things a QB and WR should be working on when they are doing extra work, and it doesn't seem to be happening. And it makes sense why it is less impactful with McBride because he generally is closer to Kyler when these adjustments need to happen. His angles matter less because the ball has less of a distance to travel.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

The more info that comes out, the more it is on Kyler's lack of communication/leadership more than anything. The Warner video highlights that most of these players have no clue what Kyler wants to do at a detail level. Leverage. Depth. Positioning. Coverage and blitz adjustments. Scramble drill. These are all of the things a QB and WR should be working on when they are doing extra work, and it doesn't seem to be happening. And it makes sense why it is less impactful with McBride because he generally is closer to Kyler when these adjustments need to happen. His angles matter less because the ball has less of a distance to travel.

Disagree.

Instead, I think we might have the worst WR room in the entire league. Our WR1 is struggling mightily, and I'm not sure Michael Wilson belongs on an NFL roster. We'll see if he's still in league in a few years.

Dortch is okay around the LOS, and can get us some YAC, but at 5' freaking 6" he's too small to be effective more than 15 yards down the field.

And you phoo phoo'ing how Kyler leverages the one great offense teammate he has out there highlights your skepticism of him.

 

[602 Native]

It's a good video.

But I am curious what you think is more likely...
That every single WR we have on the roster keeps screwing up his reads?
Or that the guy chucking the rock is misreading the defense?

There is only one common denominator.

Just this season I have seen multiple WRs lineup in the wrong spot, run the wrong route, and not know the snap count.

Our WR room is straight ass.

 

[602 Native]

The more info that comes out, the more it is on Kyler's lack of communication/leadership more than anything. The Warner video highlights that most of these players have no clue what Kyler wants to do at a detail level. Leverage. Depth. Positioning. Coverage and blitz adjustments. Scramble drill. These are all of the things a QB and WR should be working on when they are doing extra work, and it doesn't seem to be happening. And it makes sense why it is less impactful with McBride because he generally is closer to Kyler when these adjustments need to happen. His angles matter less because the ball has less of a distance to travel.

Or McBride is a vet unlike Wilson and MHJ. Lets not forget McBride broke out in year 3 as well.

 

[602 Native]

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[Stout]

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Thanks Kyle, hopefully we will! Just because the trash we started with Kyler out was trash doesn't mean Kyler's the guy. It means we didn't bring in anybody that could legitimately compete at the position. I mean, that might have threatened Kyler! Also, our GM was trying the long fifteen-year rebuild and did very little to help the situation. So, the normal conclusion is that Kyler is at fault, Monti is at fault, the coaching staff is at fault, and the owner is always at fault. I don't see or read anything to change the refrain.

 

[BooksOrangePlanet]

unsolvable - is it the mentals - the height - the mechanics - is it the oc(s) - or the receivers - is it not communicating - not studying - or is this just who kyler murray is?

for me - it's the mentals - panicks in the pocket then gets upset with the results - halfway checks out and we have to hope he checks back in before the end - he's got the physical talent to be the best player on the field at all times but it just doesn't happen

 

[schutd]

Sounds like we need a new wide receiver coach

The dysfunction runs deep. WRs, QB, coaching....we're effed.

 

[Chopper0080]

Great. Let's go get Danny Dimes then Chopper. We'll score 50 points a game.

You know, we might have the worst WR room in the entire league. Our WR1 is struggling mightily, and I'm not sure Michael Wilson belongs on an NFL roster. We'll see if he's still in league in a few years.

Dortch is okay around the LOS, and can get us some YAC, but at 5' freaking 6" he's too small to be effective more than 15 yards down the field.

And you phoo phoo'ing how Kyler leverages the one great offense teammate he has out there highlights your skepticism of him.

This seems hyperbolic.

Effective communication is a critical trait of a leader. Since Kyler has been the QB of the Cardinals, there have been consistent issues with him miscommunicating with players and coaches. Multiple. Another key trait is putting others first. In 2021 Budda gets hurt and Kyler doesn't seem to notice. In 2025, MHJ is going through struggles, catches a nice TD, is emotional, and Kyler is nowhere to be seen in engaging with him.

I don't know what another QBs ceiling is with this team, but I do know what the ceiling is with Kyler. This is it.

 

[BritCard]

Okay, fine. I see your and BritCard's point generally. And Allen is playing great. I wish K1 were playing as well as he.

But it's a little grating though, my friend, to watch the Never-Murrays salivate over whatever QB is having a nice three game stretch, no matter how much they've stunk in the past.

Pining to see that QB in Cardinal red.

Guys lining up to say that they wish we had signed Daniel freaking Jones being the latest example.

And how's the "Geno Smith is a million times better than Murray" crusade going these days?


Career stats

Year Year	Team Team	CMP% Completions percentage	YDS Passing yards	TD Passing touchdowns	INT Interceptions thrown	Rating Passer rating
2025 2025	Raiders	63.8 63.8	948 948	6 6	7 7	79.

Stout... is it possible... is it even remotely possible... that Geno Smith's production and performance increased dramatically when he became part of SEA's competently designed offense with good talent around him, and has now dropped off to "Old Geno" because he is now in a much less advantageous situation? Let me know what you think please and thanks.

And again, that's my main point this week.

To give Murray a fair chance to succeed here in ARZ, we need to make his supporting cast, a little better man. Just a little.

I'm not asking for superstars at every position, but a little better than what were firing out there with him right now.

You're complaining about us dreaming about whatever QB is on a hot 3 game stretch then use Geno Smith on a new team in a new system with new receivers as an example of the opposite.

 

[BritCard]

Dear Lord

Open this child’s eyes to the thread he is in and learn the search function

Show us someone saying Geno Smith is a million times better, or anything equivalent. Search works for you too.

 

[BritCard]

After 4 games Kyler is,

23rd in yards
21st in TD%
13th in INT%
20th in Success Rate
27th in YPA
31st in YPC
29th in YPG
21st in passer rate
24th in QBR

The excuses are sad because this is significantly worse than seasons where he had far worse receiving options and O line.

All of these things were worse when Kyler returned from injury in 2023, just as one example, and was still far better in all these areas.