OT: Kyler Murray Debacle Thread

[kerouac9]

I wouldn’t mind being the colts right now….

I guess. They haven’t made the playoffs since 2020 despite playing in a garbage division.

 

[Russ Smith]

Of course it is. The McCarthy experiment has an n of 2. You’re blinded by inexplicable hatred of him. So lame and sad.

The irony of the guy who stalks my Trey Benson posts in every thread saying this is so thick you could cut it!

I don't hate JJ McCarthy I don't think he's going to be a good QB.

 

[BritCard]

I guess where I fall is if Monti/Gannon can't make the playoffs with a 14-18 ranked QB, I need them all to go. I have no interest in retaining a below average GM and/or HC and trusting them to waste more years.

He's not 14-18 ranked as a passer. He might be in that range if you include his legs but he's not top 18 as a passer and I don't think you can make the playoffs with a 20-24 ranked passer.

 

[BritCard]

it hasn't "clicked" yet this year on offense or defense

The defense is giving up 17 points per game. Granted, it's been against some mediocre offenses, but I don't think you can ask much more.

 

[BullheadCardFan]

It's year 7, how long do you wait for the potential to show?

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[BooksOrangePlanet]

The defense is giving up 17 points per game. Granted, it's been against some mediocre offenses, but I don't think you can ask much more.

pretty good but still pg right? id have no problems taking lil timmy to the game - i get it - we give up a lot of short stuff constantly waiting for 3rd down where we might or might not blitz

but you watch too - even when we represent blitz the qbs audible to hot reads - which sends our blitzers right back into coverage resulting in a 4 man front

maybe rallis feels he's winning by limiting teams to quick dumps and short yardage runs - if our offense was producing id feel a lot better about allowing 17 a game

 

[Chopper0080]

I wouldn’t mind being the colts right now….

And this highlights where I land with Monti/Gannon. If the Colts can get this out of a player like Daniel Jones, even if it just results in a first round playoff loss, the Cardinals should be able to push for similar with Murray.

 

[kerouac9]

And this highlights where I land with Monti/Gannon. If the Colts can get this out of a player like Daniel Jones, even if it just results in a first round playoff loss, the Cardinals should be able to push for similar with Murray.

They could’ve done it last year when the division was butt. Instead we’re looking to make a run when we might have the most competitive division in the league.

 

[Chopper0080]

He's not 14-18 ranked as a passer. He might be in that range if you include his legs but he's not top 18 as a passer and I don't think you can make the playoffs with a 20-24 ranked passer.

You have to account for everything the QB does.

 

[Chopper0080]

They could’ve done it last year when the division was butt. Instead we’re looking to make a run when we might have the most competitive division in the league.

Maybe. Our division has beat the Saints x3, Steelers, Titans, Texans, and Panthers and lost to other West teams and the Eagles. I could be just an example of a soft early schedule as a whole.

 

[Cheesebeef]

The defense is giving up 17 points per game. Granted, it's been against some mediocre offenses, but I don't think you can ask much more.

Mediocre offenses? It’s been against mostly terrible offenses.

 

[Cheesebeef]

He's not 14-18 ranked as a passer. He might be in that range if you include his legs but he's not top 18 as a passer and I don't think you can make the playoffs with a 20-24 ranked passer.

Except you can’t just ignore his legs because you want to. Skewing stats that way makes you the bizarro version of the Kyler stans.

 

[BritCard]

You have to account for everything the QB does.

Except you can’t just ignore his legs because you want to. Skewing stats that way makes you the bizarro version of the Kyler stans.

Sure, but Kyler might run 6 times a game and throw 30. They don't cancel each other out.

Kyler isn't good enough as a passer to get a team to the playoffs. The only time we made it was on the back of a 7 game hot streak we haven't seen anything close to before or after.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Is it even possible that both Zay and Trey ran the correct route on this play? They end up ~10 feet from each other. What is the point?

No way. There’s no way that’s the plan design.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I fully expect us to continue to stay competitive and in the playoff picture.

If we could get the bounty for Kyler that Seattle got for Russ, I’d do it in a heartbeat. Would I trade him for the third Seattle got for Geno? Ask me at the end of the year.

The Vikes had a plan for the future when they let both Cousins and Darnold walk as free agents. I’m just not ready to opt in to more terrible football. Who’s our most marketable offensive player if Kyler leaves?

You don’t care about marketability.

 

[unseenaz]

I guess. They haven’t made the playoffs since 2020 despite playing in a garbage division.

And their owner wears a coaching headset on the sidelines

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

MHJ not in a good way might get Kyler another couple years here.

 

[Stout]

MHJ not in a good way might get Kyler another couple years here.

Nah. MHJ's fault on that play but Kyler has been awful tonight until that drive.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

I can see a new coach giving it another year. And it’s trending like we’ll have a new coach in ‘26

Nah. MHJ's fault on that play but Kyler has been awful tonight until that drive.

 

[Stout]

I can see a new coach giving it another year. And it’s trending like we’ll have a new coach in ‘26

I would be all out on the Cards at that point. Definition of insanity is doing the same thing and expecting different results. KM clearly ain't the answer. Rolling it back with him again is admitting defeat before the season starts.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

I would be all out on the Cards at that point. Definition of insanity is doing the same thing and expecting different results. KM clearly ain't the answer. Rolling it back with him again is admitting defeat before the season starts.

Kyler ain’t the whole problem but he’s also not the solution. I think we should move on too but I’m all too accustomed to how the Cardinal organization operates.

 

[kerouac9]

I can see a new coach giving it another year. And it’s trending like we’ll have a new coach in ‘26

Man how would you hire someone credible in that case? If the only relevant candidates have to commit to Kyler.

If Monti were brave he’d move Kyler and a third for a second or something and move along.

 

[krazy2k]

KM is putting on a show tonight with that 29.8 QBR. He is not the answer and will never be the answer. It will be a cold, snowy day in Phoenix when the Cards make the NFL playoffs again.

 

[DVontel]

I’m like 90% sure Kyler is gone while Monti & Gannon stays.

All 3 would be gone if we didn’t show a 4 game improvement last season imo


Also, still feel like this convo would be best around Week 13 lol

 

[K1Day1]

When your Quarterback stinks, your offense coordinator stinks, your recievers can't catch a ball. This is what you get SMH...