OT: Kyler Murray Debacle Thread

[daves]

Hater Dave - would love to know your intelligent response to this rather than being a follower and down voting any and all of my posts regardless of validation

I disagree with your assertion that it wasn't a bad time to throw an interception.

It was a bone-headed mistake that NO veteran QB should make, to put the ball up for grabs there when taking a sack would've left the Cards with an easy FG.

That stupid move turned into a 10-point swing that could've easily led to a loss.

 

[unseenaz]

Kyler post game said the defense won the game for us after the offense put then in a tough spot. Respect.

 

[CardsFan1399]

He would’ve been better served just running out of bounds and living to fight another day. That said, I don’t think it was a ball thrown up for grabs. Kyler was hit which caused the pop-up. Not sure if he was trying to throw it away or find someone downfield. Either way, I wish he’d just eaten the ball. It was a huge momentum swing, but the only bad play down the stretch.

 

[urs]

I disagree with your assertion that it wasn't a bad time to throw an interception.

It was a bone-headed mistake that NO veteran QB should make, to put the ball up for grabs there when taking a sack would've left the Cards with an easy FG.

That stupid move turned into a 10-point swing that could've easily led to a loss.

Do you watch the games?

 

[oaken1]

“Cost us”

We were up 27-9

What are you people talking about.

Somehow in your galaxy brain the QB bears zero responsibility for giving the ball back to the opponent and single handedly sparking their comeback.
....and you seem to think other posters are complete idiots that are out of their freaking mind and totally delusional.
It just amazes me how apparent it is that human evolution has obviously reversed itself that it is producing such minds.
Just freaking "wow"

 

[Stout]

Up 3 scores w less than 8 mins left to go in the 4th. Leaving Carolina w a what?, 70 yard drive to go?

If there was a time for him to throw an interception (that also wasn’t due to an accuracy issue), this was the time to do so.

People are hilarious.

Wow. Yeah. Totally. Other than being a bonehead play, the timing was so great. Defense was in a full-on meltdown, their offense was really coming on, the momentum was turned against us, and 3 points would have been enough to seal the deal due to the lead. The INT further gave them the momentum and buried our D even further, but hey, yeah, otherwise, great timing. Oh, and let's further excuse the stupid play by pointing out it wasn't an inaccurate throw lol

People are supposed to love Kyer because he doesn't make mistakes, but then they should love Kyler and totally excuse him when he makes mistakes. I agree, people are hilarious.

 

[Stout]

Do you watch the games?

What about what he posted was misleading?

 

[BritCard]

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Kurts high. I love Kurt but he's seeing something that isn't there.

There's no bump from the safety. Marv's route doesn't alter. If it did the ball would be in front, not high and behind.

He made a statement from the TV coverage and is now trying to justify it, but there's nothing on that film that explains that throw.

 

[BritCard]

Two things can be true at the same time. Do you have a statue of Kyler so you can genuflect as you pass by it?

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[BritCard]

As I said in the game thread, I thought Kyler was poor while the game was within a score. When it was 10-3 he was tight, cautious, missed open guys, bailed when he didn't need to etc etc. The usual issues.

When we opened up to 17-3 he relaxed, took his time, let plays develop, gave his receiving options time to get open and looked a lot better. This ultimately led to him making the bonehead play and trying to much.

Then as the game got closer is butthole puckered up again and he reverted back to the cautious, panicky, uncomposed version of Kyler.

 

[602 Native]

Somehow in your galaxy brain the QB bears zero responsibility for giving the ball back to the opponent and single handedly sparking their comeback.
....and you seem to think other posters are complete idiots that are out of their freaking mind and totally delusional.
It just amazes me how apparent it is that human evolution has obviously reversed itself that it is producing such minds.
Just freaking "wow"

Word salad that says absolutely nothing.

 

[Sparky16]

Word salad that says absolutely nothing.

Let me be clear - Murray sucks - he plays scared, all of his "designed" runs were pathetic because he is not fast. Once AGAIN I watched a DT catch him from behind. He cant throw over the middle cuz he is 5'6 with shorty arms

 

[BritCard]

Through 2 games Kyler is 21st in passing yards, 19th in YPA, 23rd in YPC, 26th in YPG and 23rd in QBR.

This is against 2 of the worst teams in the league.

Daniel Jones is 2-0 also, but beat the Broncos. Has 100 yards per game more passing and a 9.3 YPA AND a better completion percentage. Mac Jones threw for 279 yards and 3 TD's against the team Kyler could only manage 163 last week. So, yeah, it's going just like we planned.

If this is Kyler "feeling more prepared than ever" then god help us.

 

[DaHilg]

Through 2 games Kyler is 21st in passing yards, 19th in YPA, 23rd in YPC, 26th in YPG and 23rd in QBR.

This is against 2 of the worst teams in the league.

Daniel Jones is 2-0 also, but beat the Broncos. Has 100 yards per game more passing and a 9.3 YPA AND a better completion percentage. So, yeah, it's going just like we planned.

If this is Kyler "feeling more prepared than ever" then god help us.

Does context ever mean anything to you? Meaning, first and foremost the offensive scheme by Special Petz isn’t designed to air it out. Secondly, has MHJR looked like a bonafide #1? No. Does Special Petz scheme for him like pretty much every other OC in the NFL does when they have a bonafide #1? No. Do we have a #2 WR? No, we have a 3/4 playing a #2 role.

With the factors above, with scheme be ing the biggest… how in the world can you expect gaudy pass stats?

 

[BritCard]

Does context ever mean anything to you? Meaning, first and foremost the offensive scheme by Special Petz isn’t designed to air it out. Secondly, has MHJR looked like a bonafide #1? No. Does Special Petz scheme for him like pretty much every other OC in the NFL does when they have a bonafide #1? No. Do we have a #2 WR? No, we have a 3/4 playing a #2 role.

With the factors above, with scheme be ing the biggest… how in the world can you expect gaudy pass stats?

The context is Kyler sucks, and the offense is designed to make Kyler sucking impact the team less.

You have it all ass backwards as usual. You think the scheme and all the receivers are at fault for Kyler being bad whereas Kyler being bad is at fault for the scheme being what it is and the receivers not getting opportunities.

I literally showed the film of 3 receivers being open against the Saints, one of which was a Zay Jones TD, and Kyler staring into space doing his shopping list.

 

[602 Native]

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[602 Native]

He’s the worst thing about the team

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[BritCard]

The Spin

He’s the worst thing about the team

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The Reality

Through 2 games Kyler is 21st in passing yards, 19th in YPA, 23rd in YPC, 26th in YPG and 23rd in QBR.

This is against 2 of the worst teams in the league.

 

[WeBlitz]

I seen Jalen Hurts win a game throwing for 101 yards & 0 TDs yesterday.

 

[Chopper0080]

I gave Murray a B to B- for this game. He had some really good stretches.

Where I think I am landing on Kyler is this. My biggest issue with Kyler is that he tolerates this Petzing offense after complaining about the Kliff offense. I want him to be Peyton Manning in terms of running the offense from the LOS regardless of the OC and he doesn't seem to be that guy. He is ok with running the two condom offense that is being called which really irritates me.

 

[urs]

What about what he posted was misleading?

The part about "Throwing it up for grabs"...he was trying to throw it away and his arm was very clearly hit changing the release of the ball. It was super obvious if you watched the game.

 

[slanidrac16]

The part about "Throwing it up for grabs"...he was trying to throw it away and his arm was very clearly hit changing the release of the ball. It was super obvious if you watched the game.

Maybe take the sack?

 

[urs]

Maybe take the sack?

If he did that then you'd all be in here screaming for him to throw it away(which he was trying to do). I don't absolve Kyler for any blame on that play, he was out of the pocket with plenty of time to throw it away before the defender closed in, and should have much earlier.

 

[urs]

Kurts high. I love Kurt but he's seeing something that isn't there.

There's no bump from the safety. Marv's route doesn't alter. If it did the ball would be in front, not high and behind.

He made a statement from the TV coverage and is now trying to justify it, but there's nothing on that film that explains that throw.

When you think you know more, and can understand better, NFL offense than a true master at his craft...honestly I'm not sure why a team hasn't swooped you up yet?

 

[slanidrac16]

If he did that then you'd all be in here screaming for him to throw it away(which he was trying to do). I don't absolve Kyler for any blame on that play, he was out of the pocket with plenty of time to throw it away before the defender closed in, and should have much earlier.

Of course we would… most of us. However, we were in fg range and THE MOST important thing to do is protect the ball. With a sack and an assumed good fg we are all sitting back relaxing at the end of the game and his sack would not even be in the discussion.

For the record I thought he had a good game.