OT: Kyler Murray Debacle Thread

[urs]

I think a lot of organizations don’t understand how to grow and develop a young QB. Ideal set up would be a former college/pro QB coach, vet backup, and defensive coach to assist. Add that to a HC or OC also with QB experience. That would be resources to help learn defenses, learn study and film habits, and understanding offensive game plan and scheme.

I heard Brady on Cowherd this week saying he learned the most when Bill sat him down and explained defenses and how they would attack an offense.

 

[Chopper0080]

I heard Brady on Cowherd this week saying he learned the most when Bill sat him down and explained defenses and how they would attack an offense.

Brian Flores did this with McCarthy last year as well

 

[GimmedaBall]

A great way to assure your position as a starting NFL QB is to sign a multi-year contract for lots of guaranteed money that will blow up the salary cap should your team want to move to a different QB. Sign a contract that makes you a part-owner of the franchise. No serious competition for the job is ever brought in that would require benching the highest-paid player on the team. No promising vet or draft choice is added to the roster since the job is locked up. Since you make more than any coach, you get to dictate plays and game plans that suit your preference over that of the coaching staff. Proven coaches will reject a job offer to avoid dealing with a team owner as their QB. Instead, newbie coaches are brought in who are looking for their chance at the NFL level. These coaches will agree to work with the QB even if it is to the detriment of their own long-term career. The offensive playbook is not one that the coaching staff wants; it is one designed to accommodate the whims and weaknesses of the big-dollar QB.

The stats that got the QB the big contract will assure some continuing support from the fan base. Memory of the first two/three years rings louder than current play for the die-hard supporters as they await realization of franchise status . . . even as the QB moves closer to retirement than a SB victory. Those who see performance with clear vision are labeled ‘haters’ by those who see things via rose-colored glasses based on the rare full game performance and ‘splash’ plays. Fans must endure a .500 career record (at best) until the contract expires and the franchise QB quest starts all over again.

 

[Stout]

I think a lot of organizations don’t understand how to grow and develop a young QB. Ideal set up would be a former college/pro QB coach, vet backup, and defensive coach to assist. Add that to a HC or OC also with QB experience. That would be resources to help learn defenses, learn study and film habits, and understanding offensive game plan and scheme.

This all makes offseason training by the player himself so crucial. It also shows if he thinks it's okay to just do enough or if he needs to work on these things on his own. I have no doubt Kyler works a lot physically; that much is obvious. I do doubt he understands what he does need to work on. That is shown by him not getting a QB guru and using daddy as his QB guru nonstop. He's not, on his own, doing his best to be the best. That is what annoys me to no end. If he was doing that and still wasn't good enough, I would give him a lot more leeway.

As usual, the Cards are not covering themselves in glory here and are not anywhere approaching a cutting-edge organization.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

When I see all these "I was told" posts, I can't help but read "I am an idiot" for listening.

Really? You realize that’s typically called irony and the poster actually did NOT listen/believe.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I mean, it definitely helps the OTs. We don’t have to lie there. I actually wonder if any of our OTs played poorly for a majority of the season since Kyler was drafted.

The iOL is an entirely different story & agree with you there.

Shane’s point, and it’s a good one, is that Kyler’s mobility helps the teams sack against rate, but would have no impact on pressure rate. It helps him avoid being actually sacked. It should have zero bearing on pressures.

 

[WisconsinCard]

Really? You realize that’s typically called irony and the poster actually did NOT listen/believe.

Really you took my post seriously? I guess I should have added this . when I read those type of posts, I take it as they are throwing shade at other posters.

 

[BooksOrangePlanet]

contract year - if kyler wants to get paid and stay here he needs to be top tier - today should be easy as sunday morning - weakest defense he's going to see this year

 

[Shane]

contract year

Next year

 

[BooksOrangePlanet]

Next year

if he's plays top 5 tho? gets a playoff win

 

[WisconsinCard]

if he's plays top 5 tho? gets a playoff win

Ok dreaming is free....

 

[Stout]

Pulling for Kyler to put up a gem today.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

Pulling for Kyler to put up a gem today.

My man Stout. Heart of gold.

 

[DaHilg]

no reason to milk the clock here Special Petz just go for the jugular and get a TD

 

[TJ]

Kyler’s turnovers seem to always take the wind out of the team’s sails.

 

[GeorgiaCard88]

Kyler’s turnovers seem to always take the wind out of the team’s sails.

Choke artist. Always leave it to Kyler to choke when it counts. He let the panthers back in the game with the interception and for the second game in a row against an inferior opponent was awful when he had an opportunity to seal the deal.

The collapse was a team effort - lead by Kyler Murray

 

[TJ]

This coddling of Kyler has to stop. The only way that Kyler’s gonna get better is if he’s given tough love.

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[602 Native]

Are people insane?

We give up a almost 20pt lead in the 4th quarter and it’s K1s fault?

 

[kerouac9]

Jared Goff threw for 5 TDs today.

 

[AsUpRoDiGy]

Are people insane?

We give up a almost 20pt lead in the 4th quarter and it’s K1s fault?

He was outplayed by Bryce Young bro... At home. Quit making excuses

 

[602 Native]

He was outplayed by Bryce Young bro... At home. Quit making excuses

Outplayed in absolute garbage time. You people are so unserious.

 

[AsUpRoDiGy]

Outplayed in absolute garbage time. You people are so unserious.

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[DVontel]

That Kyler INT was dumb but he wasn’t out there calling passively on defense.

 

[TJ]

Jared Goff threw for 5 TDs today.

Are you saying that it’s possible for former #1 QBs to progress thru their careers?!!?

 

[602 Native]

Last week

K1 should have thrown the ball away instead of taking the sack.

This week

K1 tries to throw the ball away he should have taken the sack.

LOL