They were bad in this game. None of them were remotely well executed, but as I said above, it could just be major rust.
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They were bad in this game. None of them were remotely well executed, but as I said above, it could just be major rust.
Not sure what to make of this one but it's here for Isaiah Adams bad pass pro.
I think the play was predetermined to go to Dortch and it had to be thrown earlier than intended because of the pressure which messed up the timing. Simply because SO MANY throws in this offense are predetermined. Honestly, it might be all of them. I'm through half the game and have yet to see a 2nd read.
Which is a shame because I like Mike Wilson matched up with a LB from the slot.
Don't like the play call on 3rd and 10+.
I think the play was predetermined to go to Dortch and it had to be thrown earlier than intended because of the pressure which messed up the timing. Simply because SO MANY throws in this offense are predetermined. Honestly, it might be all of them. I'm through half the game and have yet to see a 2nd read.
Which is a shame because I like Mike Wilson matched up with a LB from the slot.
Don't like the play call on 3rd and 10+.
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Saints defense puts the O line in a bind here. The DT bails out to cover the middle of the field and they blitz a LB, which means Paris has to leave a free edge to stop the blitzer.
Kyler handles it well, as he often does. No doubt this is the strongest part of his game. Although I think I'd personally rather have a QB that steps up in a good pocket to avoid the sack so he can keep his eyes downfield.
My main issue with this play is Kyler's magnetism towards running out of bounds behind the LOS.
Basic level - Throw it away up the sideline where you have 2 guys.
Elite level - Stop in space, reset and pick out a wide open Marv.
Kyler handles it well, as he often does. No doubt this is the strongest part of his game. Although I think I'd personally rather have a QB that steps up in a good pocket to avoid the sack so he can keep his eyes downfield.
My main issue with this play is Kyler's magnetism towards running out of bounds behind the LOS.
Basic level - Throw it away up the sideline where you have 2 guys.
Elite level - Stop in space, reset and pick out a wide open Marv.
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TBF, he's 4 yards past the line of scrimmage here when he runs out of bounds
You know,...in watching this play just now something occurred to me...
you mentioned a wide open Marrv. I am assuming thats him at the top of the screen??
as I was watching the video I thought he was bracketed in to avoid the deep shot.... because of the official...from a distance, it is hard to distinguish a Saint defender from an official with the black pants, black head wear, and light colored shirt...wasnt when he could have gone straight up the sideline but when he cut in..... This may have been an issue.
The NFL needs to put those officials in bright pink or international orange or something so they are more easily distinguishable from a distance
it isnt an issue in most games but im sure occasionally it is.
I am not excusing anything on the play. Both teams play with the same situation.... its just something I noticed just now watching this and maybe it was an issue in this game. But there is zero chance of confusing an official from a Cardinal..saints not so much.
when kyler makes his hook, then starts left and has to reestablish his view of the field...in that split second..he may have thought there was help overr the high middle on Marv
we need to start a campaign to get them in something more visible and certain...
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No Marv is running back infield completely open. It shouldn't be a surprise as Kyler watches him run that direction. He would have to stop and adjust to throw it but Marv is so uncovered it wouldn't have to be particularly accurate as Marv has all the room to adjust.
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Yeah that's what I thought was most likely, but Kyler had to throw it too quickly due to pressure.
Agree, its hard to tell from this clip... Marv may have been bumped, true... but by the time he shows up on this clip he is several steps out of his break and has nearly three yards of separation... seems if he needed to adjust he had time to do so,...he thought he was tracking correctly.
The pass is simply behind him...and to Kurts point...if Marv had been rubbed ...it would have slowed him...and an on target pass would have been iin front of him.
But Kurt is a good Christian man and does not like to disparage. Especially QB's
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maybe. But if the WR landmark is running up the hash, he put it on the hash
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Looks as if he could have put some more air under it and let Marv run under it. But I'm not going to argue with Kurt. Petz said that K1 threw where he was supposed to and Marv ran where he was supposed to? It sounds like a bunch of hog wash to me and he's covering for one of them.
either the pass was slightly off or Marv flattened his route a little too much.
all things considered...I might lean towards Marv having flattened too much since the pass was on the hash....if Marv is just facing up field another 15 degrees..its a completion
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As a WR, you can’t just run through defensive players and maintain speed. That is the issue with the pass. MHJ can’t just expect Kyler to ignore landmarks. He has to know to minimize his angle while avoiding contact with the DB. What Petzing is saying is if both players made a slight adjustment, it would have been completed.
Exactly. The throw was behind him. Had he been bumped or delayed in his break the pass would have been in front of him.
It's just a bad throw. A whole bunch of QB's in the league make this throw in this exact situation. Everyone trying to downplay it is doing so for Kyler's benefit and to minimalize it was just a bad throw.
There's no world where that should ever be behind him because the WR can never adjust to the ball behind in the same way they can if it's off in the other direction. It's just a dog crap pass from a clean pocket.
Kurt's argument was that he was bumped in his break which would have slowed him down. If that was the case the pass should be in front of Marv, not high and behind him.
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Kurt also was arguing that Kyler had to keep the ball vertical to avoid the opposite safety
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Looks like a bad throw to me. I understand what Kurt is saying but from this angle it looks like Marv is behind both safeties. Is there a side view of the play? I can't find one. I say put some air under it and let Marv run to it instead of a fastball.
Or could just be year 2 of the most predictable play calling in the NFL. There’s now tape on the very few things Special Petz was good at.
The opposing safety is absolutely nowhere near the ball. Nor would be if it was on target.
He has a paint by numbers offense dude, just like Kliff did.
Because they both have/had a QB that cannot play a typical NFL offense. There's no timing and no progressions. Absolutely none. Every single pass play is predetermined by Kyler, and the routes we run are designed for a QB who plays "see man, throw ball". It's all stop routes, digs, crossers and go's. There's no timing at all.
It must suck playing WR in this offense.
Kyler does well here, nothing open downfield on just a 2 man route and he escapes and gets the first with his legs but...
Am I being too harsh in thinking he decides he's running to the sideline too early? Look where Marv is while Kyler is well behind the LOS. I want my QB to make this throw.
If Kyler could combine his legs and his arm he'd be much better.
Am I being too harsh in thinking he decides he's running to the sideline too early? Look where Marv is while Kyler is well behind the LOS. I want my QB to make this throw.
If Kyler could combine his legs and his arm he'd be much better.
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