For Those Questioning Reiman’s Value

[Stout]

All I did was provide evidence that the nonsense you spew about Murray holding this team back is bs. It’s just exhausting listening to the Murray bashers creating a narrative that’s nonsense. The facts just don’t support what the Murray haters preach. And for the record, 16-1 was never uttered by me. 10-7 last year was more realistic.

Really? I guess he has won a bunch of clinching and/or playoff games, then. Right? Riiight?

Lemme save you the response time: Those games weren't in any way, shape, or form his fault. Right?

 

[Stout]

I really thought we were gonna hit 10-7 last season.
Just like I am certain we hit 12-5 this season...although my certainty was shaken by Parsons going to the Packers...now that game is up in the air.

Our D played well above their level last year. If Kyler would have been better, yes, we could have hit 10-7.

 

[Stout]

It’s just confirmation bias. Kyler throws a bad pick in a loss and the loss becomes on him instead of the defense giving up 36 points to the 4th worst offense in the league.l

There is a lot to blame Kyler for, but “crediting” for every loss is a joke.

You must have not been reading much lately in this thread. PA only credits Kyler with ANY blame in ONE loss last season. Joke's on you for not reading enough.

 

[CardNots]

You must have not been reading much lately in this thread. PA only credits Kyler with ANY blame in ONE loss last season. Joke's on you for not reading enough.

I tend to view it a bit differently than you.

Kyler helped a very poor team with a brutal schedule win 8 games.

 

[Stout]

I tend to view it a bit differently than you.

Kyler helped a very poor team with a brutal schedule win 8 games.

We're all free to our own opinions.

 

[schutd]

I tend to view it a bit differently than you.

Kyler helped a very poor team with a brutal schedule win 8 games.

You're a real colon's half full kind of guy, aren't you???

 

[BulldogCard]

Thr quarterback is such a crucial position, and it is a team sport. Sometimes it's the crucial times when a play is needed. Interceptions can be thrown at crucial times. I feel KM is going to have a better offense this year with the development of all the receivers. He's played with same group of receivers for a couple of years with this year. It will be up to the OC as well to have better game plans. Calais Campbell is going to help show, coach the team to stop the run better. The D will get better pressure in general. If they stay healthy, they'll get off the field, force more turnovers. It'll be up to Kyler to turn those into points. Catastrophic turnovers at crucial points in the game will hurt the team. It's time to step up. That includes handing the ball off in my opinion 50% of the time with this team's running game. It includes KM running more. Overall, it will require a lot of unselfishness by Kyler. No more street ball, wild card renegades he wishes he could have back, and grinds his teeth over. Time to put work in. After all, it really is all about the quarterback in the NFL to some extent, even though it's a team sport.

 

[BACH]

Our D played well above their level last year. If Kyler would have been better, yes, we could have hit 10-7.

Correct. They played well above their level as the worst defensive roster in the league. That didn't make them good. They were average in points and couldn't get off the field. Fact.

 

[BACH]

You must have not been reading much lately in this thread. PA only credits Kyler with ANY blame in ONE loss last season. Joke's on you for not reading enough.

That is between PA and you.

Not putting any blame on the starting QB is also incorrect IMO. But that doesn't make the entire game on him either, which is what you are saying. PA being wrong doesn't validate your opinion. You are as extreme as he is

 

[CardNots]

You're a real colon's half full kind of guy, aren't you???

and you are the opposite?

 

[602 Native]

you kinda come off as a shrine guy - like you might have a big portrait of kyler murray (definitely not in a cardinals jersey) - probably surrounded by candles and some awesome autographed items from ebay - jerseys - gloves - maybe some ill-gotten momentos too - bag of his hair - who knows

The only shrine I want to pray to has a Lombardi trophy at the top and we are no closer than we were with Keim at the helm.

 

[kerouac9]

The only shrine I want to pray to has a Lombardi trophy at the top and we are no closer than we were with Keim at the helm.

Or before we drafted Kyler. Sad!

 

[schutd]

and you are the opposite?

Im 100% full bro.

 

[PACardsFan]

Really? I guess he has won a bunch of clinching and/or playoff games, then. Right? Riiight?

Lemme save you the response time: Those games weren't in any way, shape, or form his fault. Right?

The ONLY season when he was on a team that was rightfully a playoff team was 2021 & once DHop, the brunt of the OL, and critical players on the defense went down late in the season, they were a far cry from winning a playoff game. Not even Brady could have led that team to a win against the Rams that year. Murray has never in his career been THE reason why they have lost a game. I emphasize THE because in the game of football, it’s almost impossible for 1 person to have that kind of negative impact. Unless of course your name is Rex Grossman lol. He may have had some bad games RELATIVE to his standards, but weaknesses on the Cardinal teams he’s played on have had a much greater impact on our losses than his play has.

 

[BACH]

The only shrine I want to pray to has a Lombardi trophy at the top and we are no closer than we were with Keim at the helm.

That is like saying there is the same probability to earn money playing the lottery as investing in mutual funds

Keim was an absolute idiot that made flashy moves to promote himself instead of improving the actual team. A top 5 WR is useless when you start RBs at CB

 

[Stout]

Correct. They played well above their level as the worst defensive roster in the league. That didn't make them good. They were average in points and couldn't get off the field. Fact.

Correct. What it did was put the offense in a position to win a few more games, if only the offense had stepped up. They didn't. Kyler leads the offense. The running game is strong. If Kyler had been even moderately consistent, a few more wins were definitely possible.

 

[BACH]

Correct. What it did was put the offense in a position to win a few more games, if only the offense had stepped up. They didn't. Kyler leads the offense. The running game is strong. If Kyler had been even moderately consistent, a few more wins were definitely possible.

Absolutely agree.

The offense could have won a few more games. And Kyler as the QB should get the most blame, but not all blame. And that has been how your positioning it. That was my point in my other post. Saying Kyler has all the blame is as wrong as saying he has none.

I would probably say 3-4 of the 9 losses where the main responsibility was on Kyler

 

[CardNots]

I would probably say 3-4 of the 9 losses where the main responsibility was on Kyler

and a few wins totally Kyler’s responsibility?

 

[BACH]

and a few wins totally Kyler’s responsibility?

That is a hard question. Football is a team sport, so a loss is never 100% on one person. But definitely a couple of games where the most important player played so poorly that even average play from his position would most likely have resulted in a W.

 

[Stout]

and a few wins totally Kyler’s responsibility?

He definitely played very well at times. He was nails in the loss to Buffalo and cannot be blamed for that L in the least. And that is the huge frustration with the guy. While he can ball, he can't do it often, and while he can play average at other times, he can also play ass the same amount. The definition of inconsistent.

 

[BACH]

He definitely played very well at times. He was nails in the loss to Buffalo and cannot be blamed for that L in the least. And that is the huge frustration with the guy. While he can ball, he can't do it often, and while he can play average at other times, he can also play ass the same amount. The definition of inconsistent.

But that is Kyler. The Athletic had a pre-view. In their advantaged QB metrics Kyler had 5 games rating as Josh Allen, 5 games as Daniel Jones and in the remaining 7 games he ranked 11th.

For me this is the pivotal year. He has a solid surrounding cast, the best OL and the best defense in his career. He has to eliminate the 5 Daniel Jones games or there is no point

 

[daves]

Cool, another Kyler Murray thread! (Can the Murray posts be moved to the Murray Debate thread?)

Just to pull it back on topic... The Athletic published a piece by Jordan Rodrigue yesterday, "NFL Future Hits List: 32 under-the-radar names every true fan should know". "Some are experienced players who have been buried on the depth chart. Some are rookies who fans just haven’t noticed yet, or who were drafted in the middle or later rounds. Some have been making noise in the most hopeful days of training camp and the preseason, but aren’t yet generating enough buzz to enter the average fan’s radar."

For the Cardinals, he singled out Tip Reiman: "The Cardinals’ offense will continue to run through its tight ends, and Trey McBride is the star. But look out for the second-year Reiman when Arizona wants to run the ball in 12 personnel (two tight ends) and especially 13 personnel (three tight ends). Reiman brings the Cardinals’ run game to life with a style of blocking that is demoralizing to his opponent."

BTW, the link in the quote is to a really good piece Jourdan wrote about McBride. Too long to reasonably excerpt, but if you have a subscription to The Athletic, it's worth a read!

 

[football karma]

Cool, another Kyler Murray thread!

maybe amend the thread title to say "For those questioning Reiman's value....... and for those that have a Kyler hot take too"

 

[BooksOrangePlanet]

tip reiman had has many passing yards as wilson - zay - dortch - and higgins combined

10 whole yards

 

[602 Native]

tip reiman had has many passing yards as wilson - zay - dortch - and higgins combined

10 whole yards

We don’t need WRs

We need more TEs that block