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What 270 lb guy running a 4.5 is hitting him in baseball?
Corbin Carroll is a nuclear baseball player and he would get wrecked in the NFL
OT: Kyler Murray Debacle Thread
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What 270 lb guy running a 4.5 is hitting him in baseball?
Corbin Carroll is a nuclear baseball player and he would get wrecked in the NFL
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Murray is a normal to slightly taller MLB center fielder. He is an outlier shorty at QB.
Which is harder?
He was a number one overall pick who self admitted he didn’t put the work in that he should and still got a massive 1/4 billion extension.
No guarantee in baseball he was ever gonna be able to transition to the major leagues and/or hit with a wooden bat. Many can’t. Etc…. Neither are easy. But clearly his path in the NFL imo was a better more guaranteed fit. Based on results, I’d say his choice wasn’t wrong.
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He was also a first round pick in the MLB.
Again they changed the rule for signing exclusively for him.
but not a #1 overall. We can def agree to disagree.
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200 pages guys- we did it! Unfortunately we are no closer to knowing if he is the "guy" compared to page 1
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There is no more difficult position in all of sports than QB. But, baseball is really hard too. Zero chance Murray can hit major league pitching after so many years away from it.
I can't believe this is a serious conversation and that I joined it. Oh, well.
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The path to big money in football was much easier.
Kyler Murray NFL Draft Decision: Comparing Money in Baseball, Football
Baseball money or football money? That is the question …
www.nbcbayarea.com
first-round picks in the 2018 NFL draft received signing bonuses ranging from $4.97 million (No. 32 pick Lamar Jackson) to $21.85 million (No. 1 pick Baker Mayfield).
So even if Murray was the last pick in the first round, he actually would bank more guaranteed money than he currently has with the A's.
When considering his future earning potential, that's when it gets tricky. If Murray turns into a star quarterback, or even a serviceable one, he'll be heavily compensated for the rest of his career (see: Bay Area quarterbacks Jimmy Garoppolo and Derek Carr, who both signed contracts worth more than $70 million in guaranteed money, per Spotrac).
But since NFL contracts aren't fully guaranteed, Murray could risk leaving lots of cash on the table if he were to be seriously injured or if he didn't perform up to expectations.
Conversely, if Murray decides to stick with baseball, he keeps the $4.66 million up front … but then has to wait until he makes the major leagues to make more significant money.
Once Murray makes the majors, he then would have to wait another six-plus years to hit free agency before a monster eight- or nine-figure contract could be waiting for him.
Where he is now obviously. Otherwise he'd be on buses driving through towns neither of us have ever heard of. Ever.
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There was never a time like that & you know it. You’re just fishing for likes.
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There’s a 200 page thread on the topic, but ok.
It’s probably more likely that you couldn’t restart that debate in every thread you post in.
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I absolutely don't think he could do it now. I just said he chose the harder sport to play
I think @Shane summed it up perfectly. Ok, yes guys wouldn’t be trying to hit him but that didn’t seem to be the crux of your argument.
Absolutely could not do it now. I would kinda agree if you said the toughest sport although I would might argue hockey but being successful at baseball, to me, is way harder.
Kyler likely would've still been a rookie in the MLB at the time when he signed his $250 mil extension. There are absolutely no guarantees in the minors.
How close is Druw Jones to playing in the bigs?
And that’s if everything went well. The odds would be against him ever getting to the bigs let alone starring. Being such a high baseball pick narrows those odds a little but not a ton. It is so hard to hit an orb with a cylinder against pitchers throwing 80-100 mph pitches with all sorts of movement.
The greater question is, would he have put in the effort required to succeed as a baseball player. Football, it seems, came naturally to him and it was easy for too much of his life. I wonder if baseball also came easily to him
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Whle Druw Jones is a good one to bring up, him missing his entire rookie year was a big setback. Started off ice cold but last 28 days he is .389 OBP with a .772 OPS.
So the honest answer I would put his ETA at 2027 when he will be 23.
QBs in the NFL are amongst the shortest careers in sports. Sure there are massive payouts if you are decent but most never get there. Beyond the initial rookie deal, careers are just shorter in the NFL.
The average NFL quarterback career length varies depending on the source, but recent data suggests it is around 3 to 4.4 years, or about 30 games. This shorter average, especially for quarterbacks, is influenced by the physical demands and quick turnover at the position, though exceptional players can have much longer careers
Average MLB OF Career: 5.5 years
Average NFL salary 2.8 million. Average MLB salary: 4.98 Million
So let's dive even more into Druw Jones. Jones has already pocketed his 8.9 million. His slot value for his contract is $9.785 million
Kyler Murray's first 3 years he earned 30 million. Druw Jones first 3 years when he hits the majors? $38 million
When he hits the majors.
All that matters is how much they can pocket right now.
And kyler clearly took the immediate pay out.
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In 2018 in college, Murray slashed .296/.398/.954
Interesting article on this from 2022
Where would Cardinals QB Kyler Murray be now in his baseball career?
Had Murray stuck with baseball, the hope was that when the MLB season started last week, he would have been the starting center fielder in Oakland.
"We just don't see athletes like this on the baseball field very often." Kubota said. "He's a very instinctive baseball player, which is especially impressive considering how little baseball he's played since high school. He's just a tremendous athlete, which can translate to the baseball field in a lot of ways. He has a chance to really be dominant on both the offensive end and from a defensive standpoint."
At the time of that pre-draft call, Murray was a top-80 baseball prospect at Oklahoma, where he batted .296 during the 2018 season. He had been on the radar of teams since high school, when he was projected to be a first-round pick. Murray's comps were nothing to scoff at: two former MVPs, Andrew McCutchen and Ricky Henderson.
What drew in scouts, like Chris Riley, formerly of the A's and now with the Boston Red Sox, was Murray's elite bat speed married with his elite foot speed.
So yeah baseball came super easy to him as well
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See that isn't true either.
You see he was drafted before he played any football for Oklahoma and that included his signing bonus of 4.2 million. He had the easy money already. No one saw Murray as a Heisman guy at Oklahoma. He took the harder path and bet on himself.
And then baseball got approval to pay him an additional 14 million dollars before the NFL draft.
So that is 18 million dollars without picking up a bat.
Edit: And he was automatically on the 40 man roster forward
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