Welp, Kuminga just got offered a lot of money. Where does he end up?

[Yuma]

I really hope we're not going after Kuminga but I don't think there's much question who would be better at this stage between him and Fleming.

Right now yes. I think the upside potential is higher for Fleming. Kuminga is kind of a finished product at this point. I see turning Flemmng into an aggressive defender is probably more hopeful than Kuminga.

 

[Mainstreet]

Right now yes. I think the upside potential is higher for Fleming. Kuminga is kind of a finished product at this point. I see turning Flemmng into an aggressive defender is probably more hopeful than Kuminga.

The Suns need a power forward now, looking at Booker's window.

It's going to likely take time for Maluach, Fleming and Brea to produce at a high level.

 

[Yuma]

The Suns need a power forward now, looking at Booker's window.

It's going to likely take time for Maluach, Fleming and Brea to produce at a high level.

I think Maluach just needs NBA training for a couple years to fill out that frame. Fleming is sort of built for a rookie. Fleming just needs the confidence and reps guarding guys like Booker and Green in practices. Brea is just a stone cold shooter. You can always fit one of those guys on your bench.

 

[Phrazbit]

The Suns need a power forward now, looking at Booker's window.

It's going to likely take time for Maluach, Fleming and Brea to produce at a high level.

Kuminga is not a power forward. I know ESPN labels him as one, but it’s only because Golden State played small and he was the de facto 4. Nothing in his play style is that of a big. He doesn’t rebound, he’s not big enough to defend inside, he doesn’t get blocks, he doesn’t play in the post.

He’s a slashing wing player with a bad outside shot.

 

[BooksOrangePlanet]

Kuminga is not a power forward. I know ESPN labels him as one, but it’s only because Golden State played small and he was the de facto 4. Nothing in his play style is that of a big. He doesn’t rebound, he’s not big enough to defend inside, he doesn’t get blocks, he doesn’t play in the post.

He’s a slashing wing player with a bad outside shot.

you literally make oso sound better than kuminga

 

[Phrazbit]

you literally make oso sound better than kuminga

Oso is exceedingly deficient as a scorer and he literally has a zero outside shot… unless he solves one of those problems he’s never going to be more than a role player… but I’d rather have him on his rookie contract than Kuminga making 20+ mil.

 

[Mainstreet]

Kuminga is not a power forward. I know ESPN labels him as one, but it’s only because Golden State played small and he was the de facto 4. Nothing in his play style is that of a big. He doesn’t rebound, he’s not big enough to defend inside, he doesn’t get blocks, he doesn’t play in the post.

He’s a slashing wing player with a bad outside shot.

I'm not stuck on labels. Kuminga gives the Suns a starter that can play the 4.

 

[Phrazbit]

I'm not stuck on labels. Kuminga gives the Suns a starter that can play the 4.

I’m telling you, he can’t. You would get extremely frustrated with him if you’re expecting him to play the 4.

Royce is more of a 4 than he is.

 

[Mainstreet]

I’m telling you, he can’t. You would get extremely frustrated with him if you’re expecting him to play the 4.

Royce is more of a 4 than he is.

Call him a wing if you like. I suppose the Suns could play Grayson at the 4 if he is still bulked up.

 

[Phrazbit]

Call him a wing if you like. I suppose the Suns could play Grayson at the 4 if he is still bulked up.

What do you want when you say you want a power forward? I think you’re talking about increasing our toughness on the inside and our rebounding and none of these options do anything to address that.

Kuminga would be one of a now very crowded 2/3 wing rotation and Grayson fat or skinny is nothing more than a three point specialist.

 

[BooksOrangePlanet]

What do you want when you say you want to power forward? I think you’re talking about increasing our toughness on the inside and our rebounding and none of these options do anything to address that.

Kuminga would be one of a now very crowded 2/3 wing rotation and Grayson fat or skinny is nothing more than a three point specialist.

julius randle however... just kidding

 

[Phrazbit]

julius randle however... just kidding

While I do dislike him and I think he’d be terrible for our culture… he is a power forward.

 

[Mainstreet]

What do you want when you say you want to power forward? I think you’re talking about increasing our toughness on the inside and our rebounding and none of these options do anything to address that.

Kuminga would be one of a now very crowded 2/3 wing rotation and Grayson fat or skinny is nothing more than a three point specialist.

I was being sarcastic about Allen playing the 4, but I think you know that.

Kuminga more resembles a power forward than Allen and Royce. Also, there is the age factor.

 

[Mainstreet]

julius randle however... just kidding

And Elfrid Payton can play point guard.

 

[Phrazbit]

I was being sarcastic about Allen playing the 4, but I think you know that.

Kuminga more resembles a power forward than Allen and Royce. Also, there is the age factor.

If they were on the court at the same time Royce is playing the 4.

He is young, but his lack of growth so the last few years, not just lack of growth, but regression, is concerning.

The Warriors don’t really view him as a starting caliber player, and I suspect they are right.

 

[Mainstreet]

If they were on the court at the same time Royce is playing the 4.

He is young, but his lack of growth so the last few years, not just lack of growth, but regression, is concerning.

The Warriors don’t really view him as a starting caliber player, and I suspect they are right.

Suns would essentially be swapping bad contracts if Kuminga were paid somewhere in the order of $90 and get a younger player.

 

[Phrazbit]

Suns would essentially be swapping bad contracts if Kuminga were paid somewhere in the order of $90 and get a younger player.

I think Allan and O’Neill‘s contracts are bad but they’re not crazy bad and I think midseason they will be pretty movable because someone will want a three point specialist and a 3 and D guy.

On the other hand I think Kuminga on a $90 million deal is dead weight on a dude who should be your seventh or eighth guy and a contract that would be very hard to get off of.

Not only that, but any trade has us throwing in at least one of our younger players and a few second round picks we have… all for the right to offer a long bloated contract to a player the warriors don’t even want.

 

[Hoop Head]

The more I think of trading for Kuminga the more it appears to be a lateral move at best. I don't see his deal being good in 2-3 years, definitely not 4, and would rather wait to see what else becomes available.

 

[Mainstreet]

I think Allan and O’Neill‘s contracts are bad but they’re not crazy bad and I think midseason they will be pretty movable because someone will want a three point specialist and a 3 and D guy.

On the other hand I think Kuminga on a $90 million deal is dead weight on a dude who should be your seventh or eighth guy and a contract that would be very hard to get off of.

Not only that, but any trade has us throwing in at least one of our younger players and a few second round picks we have… all for the right to offer a long bloated contract to a player the warriors don’t even want.

Allen and O'Neale's contracts are bad or they would already be gone. Hopefully, the Suns can trade their contracts later on, if a contender loses a rotation player to injury.

The Warriors are offering Kuminga a two-year contract at $45 million so they must still like him, except not for 4 years with a player option.

I'm not throwing one of our younger guys in the trade. The Suns only have one second round pick available to my knowledge.

 

[Russ Smith]

Supposedly the reason the Warriors rejected the Kings offer is that in order to fit monk under the cap they would have also had to lose either Moody or Buddy Hield and they want to keep both guys.

 

[Phrazbit]

Allen and O'Neale's contracts are bad or they would already be gone. Hopefully, the Suns can trade their contracts later on, if a contender loses a rotation player to injury.

The Warriors are offering Kuminga a two-year contract at $45 million so they must still like him, except not for 4 years with a player option.

I'm not throwing one of our younger guys in the trade. The Suns only have one second round pick available to my knowledge.

They're offering him a 2 year deal with a team option on the 2nd year, basically, they want to keep the ability to trade him and if they can't find anyone to take him during the season they will almost certainly decline the option next June.

And I agree that Allen and Oneale's contracts are undesirable but I think Kuminga's potential contract is much worse.

I'm honestly unconvinced of the notion that Kuminga is superior to either Allen or Oneale. I continue to mention, that he isn't particularly good at anything, Allen and Oneale have plenty of deficiencies but at least there are somethings they are concretely good at.

The only thing I can say about Kuminga is that he's young and might get better, but given that he isn't currently good or even a reliable starting caliber player, throwing around 20+ million on a 4 year deal in the hopes that Kuminga becomes something he isn't seems like a terrible waste of our resources.

We're already bogged down with a similar player in Green.

 

[Yuma]

It's like they are eager to use up all their assets at once. Take a minute, see what we have, and wait for players that really fit the holes we have. Better deals will probably be coming down the pipeline.

 

[Russ Smith]

THe irony to me when Peyton Watson was a freshman at UCLA I was arguing on UCLA boards how much worse he was than Kuminga, same age, different class because Kuminga moved up a class. Now if you gave me the choice I think I would take Watson. He isn't a good shooter and turns the ball over too much but he's a very good defender, blocks shots and for the most part he knows his role.

Kuminga is probably "better" but Watson is a better fit because he has a role and his next contract won't be as big as Kuminga. Kuminga has the talent IMO to be that level of a defender he just doesn't think that's his role.

 

[Yuma]

THe irony to me when Peyton Watson was a freshman at UCLA I was arguing on UCLA boards how much worse he was than Kuminga, same age, different class because Kuminga moved up a class. Now if you gave me the choice I think I would take Watson. He isn't a good shooter and turns the ball over too much but he's a very good defender, blocks shots and for the most part he knows his role.

Kuminga is probably "better" but Watson is a better fit because he has a role and his next contract won't be as big as Kuminga. Kuminga has the talent IMO to be that level of a defender he just doesn't think that's his role.

Kuminga is that guy who makes a highlight dunk in a game and everyone goes, "Damn!" Meanwhile the nerdy JJ Redick guy is dropping 30 points in the game.

 

[Russ Smith]

Kuminga is that guy who makes a highlight dunk in a game and everyone goes, "Damn!" Meanwhile the nerdy JJ Redick guy is dropping 30 points in the game.

I think Kuminga is better but he reminds me a bit of Ledell Eackles who played for Washington years ago? Athletic guy put up points but was a high volume guy had to have the ball, didn't play defense. Just never figured out how to play winning ball. I think Kuminga is better than that but he's at a crossroads he needs to go the right way