Welp, Kuminga just got offered a lot of money. Where does he end up?

[JCSunsfan]

**** it - if it doesn't cost us a starter - a dunn - a fleming - or a maluach im probably cool with kuminga coming to phx (i consider brooks/jalen/williams to be starters) on a 3 year

thing is they might want brooks - or that's my best guess considering they can run him at small forward plug and play style - doesn't need the ball at all but can knock the 3

They obviously want a lot more than that, and if we gave even that, I would be really upset. Again. Its not about the players (I want to keep Brooks). Its about the financial commitment for a player that would become a contract burden.

 

[BooksOrangePlanet]

They obviously want a lot more than that, and if we gave even that, I would be really upset. Again. Its not about the players (I want to keep Brooks). Its about the financial commitment for a player that would become a contract burden.

i like brooks too - like a lot - but i like dunn more and we only need one starting small forward - if nobody's biting on grayson or oneale then brooks and richards (to a much lesser degree) might get some nibbles

depends on if ish is serious about getting a legit power forward this year

A) we're not going with a true point guard
B) we're all set at small forward and center
C) i doubt both fleming and nhd pan out
D) all of the above suggests ish isn't done

 

[Hoop Head]

i like brooks too - like a lot - but i like dunn more and we only need one starting small forward - if nobody's biting on grayson or oneale then brooks and richards (to a lesser degree) might get some nibbles

depends on if ish is serious about getting a legit power forward this year

A) we're not going with a true point guard
B) we're all set at small forward and center
C) i doubt both fleming and nhd pan out
D) all of the above suggests ish isn't done

Kuminga is not a legit PF. That isn't his game or style of play. He doesn't fill a hole. He is slightly taller than Brooks but Brooks plays more like a PF than Kuminga.

 

[Phrazbit]

Kuminga is not a legit PF. That isn't his game or style of play. He doesn't fill a hole. He is slightly taller than Brooks but Brooks plays more like a PF than Kuminga.

Yeah, he is a wing. A slashing wing player who likes to dribble and is not good from range. Not an interior player and not a bruiser by any stretch, very poor on the glass, offers no rim protection.

 

[Hoop Head]

Yeah, he is a wing. A slashing wing player who likes to dribble and is not good from range. Not an interior player and not a bruiser by any stretch, very poor on the glass, offers no rim protection.

I understand the appeal at first but the more I've researched his game,the worst fit he'd be. He's a less productive Jerami Grant.

 

[Phrazbit]

I understand the appeal at first but the more I've researched his game,the worst fit he'd be. He's a less productive Jerami Grant.

There is the chance that the Warriors have just misused him but the lack of evolution in his game and his shooting percentage on a team where he should be getting TON of good looks is very troubling.

 

[Yuma]

They need to just stop it. Wait until the trade deadline when a team needs Royce or Grayson because of an injury or just that extra piece for a playoff run.

Supposedly next year's free agents will be a good crop. Just play with what we have, unless we get a good offer on Allen or ONeal. Be patient. They will get a better PF probably. Heck, they haven't even given Flemming, Hayes, etc, a shot at PF.

 

[JCSunsfan]

So, there are rumors that the Suns were offering Royce and Nick plus 4 second round picks.

Here is the idea of what the Suns would be really doing. They would be trading Grayson to a third party for two second round picks. Then they would make this trade. The Kuminga salary then would be $22.5 million or less.(4 years). The word also would be that there would be a team option for the second or third year. I thought they could not do this. I thought a TO was only allowed for the 4th year. Maybe it is a PO on an earlier year.

If they could pull that off, it would be a salary reduction for the Suns, and they could get out of more in the near future. If that could be done, that would change the picture.

Kuminga would prefer the Suns. He could get PT and then get to free agency again sooner, maybe getting a bigger paycheck. He would be betting on himself. He would be buried on the bench for the Warriors.

However. The Warriors still want a Kings ransom. I also am not sure the Warriors really want him. I think Kuminga would prefer Phoenix. That's what makes all this tough. Kings can offer the most.

I think he eventually goes to the Kings.

 

[Hoop Head]

I'd rather we shift our focus than continue pursuing Kuminga. I hope he becomes a King soon.

 

[Russ Smith]

Shams Charania breaks down the entire situation with Jonathan Kuminga.

Warriors are reportedly stopping sign and trade offers, at least for now.

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GP2 was asked today what his status is and he said "just waiting on JK." Pretty clear the Warriors aren't doing anything until Kuminga is resolved

 

[Mainstreet]

GP2 was asked today what his status is and he said "just waiting on JK." Pretty clear the Warriors aren't doing anything until Kuminga is resolved

Hopefully the matter will be resolved soon for everyone's sake.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Hopefully the matter will be resolved soon for everyone's sake.

I dont care about soon. I doubt the Suns are waiting on other moves.

 

[Proximo]

I understand the appeal at first but the more I've researched his game,the worst fit he'd be. He's a less productive Jerami Grant.

He is still 23. I think making such a comparison is really premature - especially when you realize he barely got an opportunity last season.

But if he is just Jerami Grant - I still want him at 25 million a year.

 

[Suns_fan69]

Why Jonathan Kuminga, Warriors remain locked in a stalemate over qualifying offer talk

The Warriors know their window of contention is closing rapidly and that botching the Kuminga situation will only hasten that.

www.nytimes.com

Paywalled, but interesting bit:

Per team sources, the talks between the Suns and Warriors have never progressed in any sort of serious manner. So while it’s certainly notable that Phoenix is being so aggressive with its contract offer — four years and a combined $90 million, per ESPN — that part is irrelevant so long as Golden State continues to show zero interest in what the Suns have to offer.

As for the Kings, who last spoke with the Warriors earlier this week, team sources say they’ve offered a three-year, $63 million deal for Kuminga in a proposal that would send veteran guard Malik Monk and their 2030 first-round pick (lottery protected) to the Warriors. If that pick didn’t convey, then the Warriors would get the least favorable of the Kings or San Antonio’s first-round pick in 2031. Those protections have been the primary sticking point, team sources said, as the Warriors have insisted that the first-rounder be unprotected. Thus, the stalemate.

 

[Proximo]

Why Jonathan Kuminga, Warriors remain locked in a stalemate over qualifying offer talk

The Warriors know their window of contention is closing rapidly and that botching the Kuminga situation will only hasten that.

www.nytimes.com

Paywalled, but interesting bit:

If this is true, it is just a matter of time before the warriors give in and take the Kings offer.

 

[BooksOrangePlanet]

Why Jonathan Kuminga, Warriors remain locked in a stalemate over qualifying offer talk

The Warriors know their window of contention is closing rapidly and that botching the Kuminga situation will only hasten that.

www.nytimes.com

Paywalled, but interesting bit:

yuppers - mentioned this yesterday - if i was golden state the only phx trades i'd take is brooks or dunn + some side dressing - if so it should mean we're not getting kuminga

 

[Adrian]

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/25231409-warriors-reportedly-have-0-interest-suns-jonathan-kuminga-offer-latest-kings

 

[JCSunsfan]

If this is true, it is just a matter of time before the warriors give in and take the Kings offer.

But Kuminga has to accept the offer as well. What I hear is that he wants the Suns. I also heard that the Suns offer has a team option somewhere in that contract.

I am not sure I want Kuminga either, but if its a $90 million 4 year deal, with escalating salary and a TO in the 4th year, it doesnt seem as much of a risk. Such a deal could start in the $18.x million per year range and then increase by 10% per year for four years. That would get very close to the four year $90 million number. If the TO is in the fourth year, the opt out for the team is in the most expensive year of the contract.

This is especially true if you are moving Grayson for picks to make the deal. Overall salary could actually go down.

I still don't know if I like it, but it is not as bad as $30 million per year. I would rather have Giddey on that deal.

All the sides are too far apart. This is going to stretch into October I think.

 

[Yuma]

What I like, that doesn't seem to be coming up in all this discussion, is that through the reported deals the Suns are offering, the Suns appear to not be making a stupidly high negotiating offer to GS. This has been going for a minute, but it also appears we are standing relatively pat on our offer, too. Instead of immediately offering more and more like we did with KD. Maybe the owner IS learning. We shall see.

 

[JCSunsfan]

What I like, that doesn't seem to be coming up in all this discussion, is that through the reported deals the Suns are offering, the Suns appear to not be making a stupidly high negotiating offer to GS. This has been going for a minute, but it also appears we are standing relatively pat on our offer, too. Instead of immediately offering more and more like we did with KD. Maybe the owner IS learning. We shall see.

Its also not KD.

If you don't have draft picks, you have to take a shot at trades like this. Again. I am not rooting for this trade. But I get why the Suns are looking.

Here is where I think it stands.

Warriors like the Kings' offer, not the Suns', but they are still trying to get a little more out of the Kings. It looks like they have offered Kuminga more money than anyone else.
Kings made a crazy offer, but might negotiate for less restrictions on the pick offered. They, however, are only offering a three-year deal at $60 some million.
Kuminga wants the Suns. He likes their offer and while the Suns are no stellar franchise, they still have Book and they are not Sacramento. He has better odds and will bet on himself.
Suns are offering what they are offering. They know they have the deal Kuminga wants and are waiting to see if the Warriors cave. The deal is probably Royce, Nick, and Oso, plus some second rounders for Kuminga.

It's a standoff.

 

[Yuma]

Its also not KD.

But it is a new shiny object!!

 

[Proximo]

But Kuminga has to accept the offer as well. What I hear is that he wants the Suns. I also heard that the Suns offer has a team option somewhere in that contract.

I am not sure I want Kuminga either, but if its a $90 million 4 year deal, with escalating salary and a TO in the 4th year, it doesnt seem as much of a risk. Such a deal could start in the $18.x million per year range and then increase by 10% per year for four years. That would get very close to the four year $90 million number. If the TO is in the fourth year, the opt out for the team is in the most expensive year of the contract.

This is especially true if you are moving Grayson for picks to make the deal. Overall salary could actually go down.

I still don't know if I like it, but it is not as bad as $30 million per year. I would rather have Giddey on that deal.

All the sides are too far apart. This is going to stretch into October I think.

We can't move Grayson for picks because there is zero cap space and if we could have it would have already been done.

Kuminga probably does prefer the Suns, but what he prefers most of all is a starting spot and a bigger paycheck. If the Kings offer both and the warriors are willing to do that deal, it will happen.

 

[BooksOrangePlanet]

kings and suns knew it was only a 2 person race - tried to lowball the hell outta golden state who now sounds pissed off at both phx and sac for wasting their time

 

[JCSunsfan]

kings and suns knew it was only a 2 person race - tried to lowball the hell outta golden state who now sounds pissed off at both phx and sac for wasting their time

They should be angry at Kuminga's agent. He is the prime mover in all of this.

 

[oaken1]

kings and suns knew it was only a 2 person race - tried to lowball the hell outta golden state who now sounds pissed off at both phx and sac for wasting their time

not really a waste of their time if they possess an asset they do not intend to use.
everyone knows they dont intend to use him. so the offers reflect that...