What’s up with PR?

[Dr. Jones]

@Dr. Jones

I strongly considered voting for Mitt Romney until he walked back his healthcare position in the general election.

Every U.S. citizen should be entitled to basic healthcare, period.

Even inmates in an institution should and do get healthcare.

It shouldn't be tied to how much you work, cost or whatever if we are to be a civilized society.

What's the alternative, bankruptcy, suffering, or euthanasia. Is a sick person not worthy of medical treatment?

There should be a myriad of priorities in our country, and at the top should not be a tax break for the wealthy.

Every US Citizen who is not able bodied and is willing to work..... Sure. I can get on board there. Not this socialistic, handout program that currently exists.

Civilized people contribute to society. They don't ask for handouts. The first word of the SNAP program is SUPPLEMENTAL.

We are not talking about the sick, infirmed, or disabled here. Don't justify one and then deflect to the other please.

The tax break for the wealthy line is the most overused and misunderstood in our current body politic. So vague. So useless. But so catchy.

Again. Not this thread.

 

[Dr. Jones]

Golly. If only there were a forum on this messageboard in which we can openly discuss issues related to politics and religion.

*wink* *wink*

Agreed!

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Don't look now but you are defending socialized healthcare

Damn right I am. We already have it for our seniors, why not everybody?

and demonizing capitalism.

In this instance, yep.

Red's, by in large, want less government, and more economic freedom.

I love how you threw in the economic freedom in there. That's an interesting wrinkle. They used to be for all freedoms.

It absolutely did not defy our constitution. This is incorrect. Did it defy norms, and cause controversy? Absolutely. If this is your argument.... I'd look in to the legality of what you are actually saying here. Because you are wrong.

Okay. LOL

And at that time, it was not my party. I voted for the Libertarian in 2016.

Lastly, if you're as level headed and moderate as you said, calling it "your party" is out of line.

If it isn't your party, then say so and I'll stand corrected. I'm not sure why stating someone's party is some sort of slight, or not being level headed.

If I said, 'the party you closely align yourself with,' would that really have made a difference to you?

And if you are as red as you say you used to be..... Limiting the power, size and scope of the federal government is a core tenant of that vision. Certainly not governmentalized healthcare or a weaponized judiciary.

I never said I was red. I said I have voted for red in the past. I specifically said I was left leaning centrist.

Even Sotomayor got a decision right recently. Stunning stuff from her seat.

Regardless. This is beyond the scope of this thread.

Agreed.

 

[Mainstreet]

Every US Citizen who is not able bodied and is willing to work..... Sure. I can get on board there. Not this socialistic, handout program that currently exists.

Civilized people contribute to society. They don't ask for handouts. The first word of the SNAP program is SUPPLEMENTAL.

We are not talking about the sick, infirmed, or disabled here. Don't justify one and then deflect to the other please.

The tax break for the wealthy line is the most overused and misunderstood in our current body politic. So vague. So useless. But so catchy.

Again. Not this thread.

Sounds like you feel there are expendable people. It must be nice to sit in judgment of who lives and dies.

We will discuss another day, another time, if the P&R forum reopens.

 

[Devilmaycare]

Guys, back on topic about P&R and not personal politics.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Guys, back on topic about P&R and not personal politics.

With all due respect, what else is there to talk about? I think people's positions and opinions have been made and we are waiting for a decision one way or another...

 

[BooksOrangePlanet]

idk - sounds like we aren't there yet as far as getting our privileges back (and i get it) - also sounds like we should chill with the better ignore function - it's not happening - we now know the mods were not included on the decision - some are here with the rest of us trying to figure our mess out - i reckon this group brainstorm is our last chance - maybe we should review our suggestions and keep at it

 

[Weenus O'Baggins]

With all due respect, what else is there to talk about? I think people's positions and opinions have been made and we are waiting for a decision one way or another...

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[Weenus O'Baggins]

There is most of the conversation on the sports boards.

 

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[Dr. Jones]

Damn right I am. We already have it for our seniors, why not everybody?

This is not a principle the reds have ever espoused.

In this instance, yep.

Same.

I love how you threw in the economic freedom in there. That's an interesting wrinkle. They used to be for all freedoms.

See.... This is the emotionalism I expect from the blues these days.

My specific argument was towards the current regulatory environment.

Okay. LOL

If you could provide any shred of evidence other than laughter..... I would imagine you would have already. Since the evidence doesn't exist, I will sit back and wait patiently for you to acknowledge that fact.

If it isn't your party, then say so and I'll stand corrected. I'm not sure why stating someone's party is some sort of slight, or not being level headed.

I did. And I'm fine.

If I said, 'the party you closely align yourself with,' would that really have made a difference to you?

I never said I was red. I said I have voted for red in the past. I specifically said I was left leaning centrist.

You replied to a post regarding someone who previously was a red who is now a blue. If that isn't you as well..... I stand corrected.

But rest assured, socialized medicine, and anti-capitalist views are not centrist.

If you voted for Clinton, like I did, and didn't vote for Trump in the previous election, well then, my personal belief is that you were never a centrist. It may sound nice on the name tag to call yourself one but actually living it is another ball of wax entirely.

 

[Dr. Jones]

Sounds like you feel there are expendable people. It must be nice to sit in judgment of who lives and dies.

We will discuss another day, another time, if the P&R forum reopens.

Sounds like. #BigOOOOF

 

[BooksOrangePlanet]

ideas (just ideas)

sitewide ban instead of just p&r

repeat offenders/false reporters gone from p&r forever

putting the whole p&r on 1-3 day pause when the beast runs rampant

ignore courtesy - if you know someone has you on ignore find others to discuss politics with

ignore courtesy extended - if you have someone on ignore keep their names out your mouth - don't pile on

public report space/sticky - if you must report maybe make it public? (rulings done in private obviously)

ultimately i think what they're saying is p&r isn't failing - we are - and if i'm reading the tea leaves correctly they're about to shut this mother down - so we are at that point - there are no bad ideas - maybe some duds but even those can spark a thought in someone else's processor

idfk

 

[dreamcastrocks]

This is not a principle the reds have ever espoused.

Same.

I agree with this, but you had asked how the party is different. I specifically gave McCain and healthcare as the example and the discussion came from there.

See.... This is the emotionalism I expect from the blues these days.

My specific argument was towards the current regulatory environment.

Why is it emotional to talk about freedoms? Republicans in the past always wanted small government in all forms, which should include not using the government to take away freedoms.

If you could provide any shred of evidence other than laughter..... I would imagine you would have already. Since the evidence doesn't exist, I will sit back and wait patiently for you to acknowledge that fact.

How am I supposed to provide evidence regarding the constitutional 'timely manner?' If you want to stand on the hill saying that purposely not voting for a YEAR is being timely, we will just have to agree to disagree.

I did. And I'm fine.

If you did, you did and I stand corrected.

You replied to a post regarding someone who previously was a red who is now a blue. If that isn't you as well..... I stand corrected.

But rest assured, socialized medicine, and anti-capitalist views are not centrist.

Where did I say it was? A centrist view of medicine is probably some sort of compromise between socialized and private medicine.

If you voted for Clinton, like I did, and didn't vote for Trump in the previous election, well then, my personal belief is that you were never a centrist. It may sound nice on the name tag to call yourself one but actually living it is another ball of wax entirely.

I voted for Bush and have voted blue the rest of the elections. I'm not going to waste my vote in this two party system voting for a 3rd party candidate. So I'll vote who I think is best for the country. That probably makes me less of a centrist in your eyes, Fortunately though, your definition of centrist doesn't really matter to me.

 

[UncleChris]

I'm not going to waste my vote in this two party system voting for a 3rd party candidate. So I'll vote who I think is best for the country.

Spot on.

Voting for a 3rd party candidate that can't possibly win or not voting for a candidate because "I shouldn't have to vote for the least awful candidate," is nothing more or less than calling in artillery on yourself.

 

[UncleChris]

I formally lodge my strongest appeal to whoever needs to hear it that the P&R forum be reopened in some form or another. We are living through what is the most critical period of American history since the Civil War, and strong discussion and exchange of ideas is crucial beyond description.

 

[Devilmaycare]

Update: We'll have a decision this week on it. A poll has been posted to the mods about it with a new rule set based on the site rules, previous P&R rules, and feedback here for them to give their feedback. I gave it a week but I'm hoping we get everyone's feedback sooner than that. So hang tight.

 

[Town Drunk]

Update: We'll have a decision this week on it. A poll has been posted to the mods about it with a new rule set based on the site rules, previous P&R rules, and feedback here for them to give their feedback. I gave it a week but I'm hoping we get everyone's feedback sooner than that. So hang tight.

Sitewide moderators or the specific board moderators?

 

[Devilmaycare]

Sitewide moderators or the specific board moderators?

Site wide, myself along with @jf-08 helping out are the only P&R mods right now.

 

[oaken1]

Spot on.

Voting for a 3rd party candidate that can't possibly win or not voting for a candidate because "I shouldn't have to vote for the least awful candidate," is nothing more or less than calling in artillery on yourself.

Until a third party gets 15 percent of the vote at some point they cant get into the debates not get public funding...so we remain a two party system when more of our citizens dont really align real well with either main party.
the only benefit I see from it is at least we wont turn into england

 

[Lorenzo]

Until a third party gets 15 percent of the vote at some point they cant get into the debates not get public funding...so we remain a two party system when more of our citizens dont really align real well with either main party.
the only benefit I see from it is at least we wont turn into england

IDK, people don't drive slow in the passing lane in England. I enjoyed a higher quality of life when I was there.

 

[oaken1]

IDK, people don't drive slow in the passing lane in England. I enjoyed a higher quality of life when I was there.

Okay...but that has zero to do with their 8 party system...or 12 party..or whatever it is

and if you went back today you may find that statement no longer true. I have a couple friends over there that complain about traffic issues more than I do