What’s up with PR?

[Town Drunk]

I'll lurk and observe, no longer participate. I don't add anything of value anyway.

I think you’d make a great mod.

 

[jbjarko]

I think you’d make a great mod.

awe shucks, thanks TD.

 

[oaken1]

Perhaps the best reason to keep P&R open is that if you shutter it, politics will inevitably seep into and infest other forums. You simply can't ignore that in 2025 politics has become a part of almost everything. P&R acts as a venue to entrap the politics talk in one place and acts as a buffer elsewhere. So for example, when the Late Night thread inevitably gets too political, you can just dump it in P&R and save that Entertainment forum from being infested with politics (even though TV networks have become a political football and it's reasonable to discuss that in regards to American Entertainment today).

it is starting to happen already. Noticed yesterday... and we cant tell them to "take it to P&R" like we used to.

 

[Cardsmasochist]

Looks like it’s time to reopen P&R

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Looks like it’s time to close P&R for good

Fixed that for you.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

P&R reminds of dealing with addicts promising that they will change. Sometimes they do, most of the time they don't/won't/can't.

 

[Weenus O'Baggins]

In a perfect world, it would be a hidden forum that you have to apply to get access to and if you mess up, you just don't have access to it anymore

 

[Weenus O'Baggins]

Then you can framework the rules beyond that

 

[Cardsmasochist]

P&R reminds of dealing with addicts promising that they will change. Sometimes they do, most of the time they don't/won't/can't.

If you don’t want it to reopen why not just avoid the forum if it does reopen?

 

[dreamcastrocks]

If you don’t want it to reopen why not just avoid the forum if it does reopen?

As a moderator, decisions like this get discussed at a moderator level. I have had to have this discussion multiple times and I don't believe that the benefits outweigh the consequences/trouble that the forum brings. It is my personal opinion, and like everyone else's here, my opinion won't decide if it gets open or not.

I get why people see the value in the forum, and I see some value too. Again, just not worth the heartache/trouble IMO.

I usually do ignore P&R for the most part, but the vitriol is hard to ignore, especially when it goes against what Skkorp wanted this place to be.

 

[Russ Smith]

LOL I thought Bung H was what the language filter changed the curse word too.

Buang is Cebuano(visayan) for crazy

 

[Russ Smith]

Just because he believes it does not mean it is suitable to post. I once received a week long ban for posting something I truly believe

I was specifically talking about trolling. The real term trolling from fishing is catching fish by towing a lure or bait behind your boat. For some reason trolling on the internet was what people called people who posted just to get people mad or to argue with them. . Jon gets too animated sometimes absolutely, but he's not posting stuff just to get people mad, he genuinely believes what he posts.

 

[oaken1]

I was specifically talking about trolling. The real term trolling from fishing is catching fish by towing a lure or bait behind your boat. For some reason trolling on the internet was what people called people who posted just to get people mad or to argue with them. . Jon gets too animated sometimes absolutely, but he's not posting stuff just to get people mad, he genuinely believes what he posts.

I agree trolling is bad. I myself used to often be guilty of crop dusting.

internet trolling has evolved. as you say, it was originally termed from fishing, and used by people to draw out easy marks. But the past few years,...folks have associated it with a "Troll" and use it as a means of describing a person who says things they do not like.
butt rather one is fishing for a reaction or just being a jerk,...trolling has no place in a semi-civilized discussion.

 

[oaken1]

Then you can framework the rules beyond that

If it were me.....
moderate personal attacks and broad sweeping generalized insults.
uphold a three strikes policy.
Strike 1...ninety day ban.
strike 2...180 day ban
strike 3...perma ban
however, I do not see the value in a site wide ban due to behavior in a specific forum. I think thats just a bit petty. Many folks cannot contain themselves on one topic but are certainly well behaved on others.
Folks just need to effort being mindful of what they type.

 

[oaken1]

Then you can framework the rules beyond that

I actually liked the idea of a three forum system...left, center, right...then only allow access to two of the three forums.

 

[Weenus O'Baggins]

The reason why I say a hidden forum is banned people just read the posts and don't comment

Hidden forum is real consequence. You can't see anything

 

[Dr. Jones]

Buang is Cebuano(visayan) for crazy

SE Asia is basically Oceania. The Philippines are in Oceania and in SE Asia.

But thank you for replying!

I agree that it would seep in to other threads more often. Just think about the Movies forum. Snow White, and most other Disney properties have had discussions over the last few years.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

If it were me.....
moderate personal attacks and broad sweeping generalized insults.
uphold a three strikes policy.
Strike 1...ninety day ban.
strike 2...180 day ban
strike 3...perma ban
however, I do not see the value in a site wide ban due to behavior in a specific forum. I think thats just a bit petty. Many folks cannot contain themselves on one topic but are certainly well behaved on others.
Folks just need to effort being mindful of what they type.

I do. You'd (not you specifically) probably think twice if your behavior in one forum caused a sitewide ban.

 

[oaken1]

I do. You'd (not you specifically) probably think twice if your behavior in one forum caused a sitewide ban.

I would only support a sitewide ban if, after being banned from P&R, one could not stop injecting their political points into other forums.

I remember some of those P&R discussions from so long ago. we have lots of posters who are passionate in there. But totally different people in the sports forums. Why remover valuable sports contributions because behavior cannot be maintained in regards to politics?
...if you site wide ban due to a single forum.. BillyBob just creates a new account and now BillyJoe is back in P&R
I say this is a guy who had 8 different Reddit accounts in a single year.

 

[Devilmaycare]

Thanks for the responses everyone. I appreciate them and taking them into account.

 

[BooksOrangePlanet]

some people troll - some people like to argue - some people don't have much human interaction and need to feel like they're being heard - some people are super passionate - some personally effected - some people actually like civilized discourse - some feel the need to defend their people - others the need to attack them - everybody thinks they're justified - asfn's p&r is unlike any other space due to the years of familiarity with one another and the complete opposite sides we take - if you want honesty here's some honesty - I used to have one poster on ignore and i interacted with another but now it's the other way around - because of asfn's p&r - judge me all you like but when people tell me who they are i believe them - and personally that's one of the things i am grateful for about our p&r - im here for sports primarily but i honestly don't want to converse with some types

ultimately i vote it stays open but i feel for the mods

 

[Lorenzo]

Just since the ban the amount of stuff that's happened that we can't discuss due to the ban is enormous. So yeah losing P&R would be a big deal but I've told the mods before I'm ok with whatever decision they make .

Yeah I wanted to make a non political thread about the flood and then I realized it probably would be better to just wait.

 

[Devilmaycare]

The reason why I say a hidden forum is banned people just read the posts and don't comment

Hidden forum is real consequence. You can't see anything

FYI, you can't read P&R when banned from it. The forum is hidden from you.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

I would only support a sitewide ban if, after being banned from P&R, one could not stop injecting their political points into other forums.

I remember some of those P&R discussions from so long ago. we have lots of posters who are passionate in there. But totally different people in the sports forums. Why remover valuable sports contributions because behavior cannot be maintained in regards to politics?
...if you site wide ban due to a single forum.. BillyBob just creates a new account and now BillyJoe is back in P&R
I say this is a guy who had 8 different Reddit accounts in a single year.

I dunno. You cause a scene at the produce section of the grocery store. They kick you out of the store, not just the produce section...

Also there are tools and ways to find duplicate accounts, but I get what you are saying...

 

[oaken1]

I dunno. You cause a scene at the produce section of the grocery store. They kick you out of the store, not just the produce section...

Also there are tools and ways to find duplicate accounts, but I get what you are saying...

also one must consider. The purpose of disciplinary action is to remove unwanted behavior.
The purpose of a sitewide ban is to remove an unwanted person.
I dont recall seeing anybody here that did not have value in one discussion or another.

IMO, in regards to moderation it is important to actually "Be" moderate and not reactionary.