2023 Plan?

[LA Redbird]

I feel like the dumbest solution is the most likely: The Cards fire Kliff, keep Adrian Wilson and Co., pair them with someone like Frank Reich and have a three-headed personnel department.

I think there was an explicit agreement between Kliff and Keim that Kliff was going to be too busy learning the NFL game to get into personnel, and Keim had 100% free rein there. So we ended up in a personnel nightmare that Won't Let Kliff Be Great when it turned out Keim was spending more time scouting Johnny Walker than Kenneth Walker.

Occam's Razor, but really dumb.

The Cardinals way!!!!!

 

[slanidrac16]

First and foremost let’s stop with the talk of trading Murray. Can’t happen. So move on from there.
A combo of Ireland and Payton seems like a no brainer but I think that might be unrealistic. I think the best we can hope for is DeMarco Ryan which I think would be a mistake. With the talent the 49ers have on defense the SHOULD be good. It would take 3 years to acquire that much talent.
I think our “ co-GM “ is already in the building.
I think it’s 51/49 that Kingsbury is fired.
We need to come up with a QB that can start the season and perhaps go until week 8-10. We need a guy that can win and perhaps compete a bit with Murray to make him work to get better. Brissett seems like an average guy that could handle the situation.
We need to build an offensive line. A center and a guard is needed at minimum.
We need a rb with speed. A big WR would be nice but the club will make us believe Wesley is the guy.
Those investments will probably limit us being able to do much more. So on defense we need a big DT that can stop the run.we are going to have to live with Sanders and Thomas and hope they step into a starting position. We have to find a way to resign Allen and Murphy.
Do you think we can get younger at punter and field goal kicker?

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

agreed but those are the clearest paths forward for a team without a great history of GM and HC hiring.

This can not be underestimated imo

 

[Chopper0080]

This can not be underestimated imo

And it sucks. Sometimes organizations aren't settled or smart enough to play chess and they have to play checkers until they can reach that level. Harbaugh and Payton are checkers HC hires. The chess move is getting an awesome GM, letting that GM hire an HC and move forward. I feel like the Cardinals keep trying to play chess and they just need to to play checkers for a while until they can learn how chess is played.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

And it sucks. Sometimes organizations aren't settled or smart enough to play chess and they have to play checkers until they can reach that level. Harbaugh and Payton are checkers HC hires. The chess move is getting an awesome GM, letting that GM hire an HC and move forward. I feel like the Cardinals keep trying to play chess and they just need to to play checkers for a while until they can learn how chess is played.

Not sure I 100% agree with this. When is the last time, if ever, the Cardinals have hired a big name, proven winner. Buddy Ryan wasn’t one.

I think it’s harder to find a good GM.

But I do agree that a good GM is more important in the long run.

 

[kerouac9]

Not sure I 100% agree with this. When is the last time, if ever, the Cardinals have hired a big name, proven winner. Buddy Ryan wasn’t one.

I think it’s harder to find a good GM.

But I do agree that a good GM is more important in the long run.

My guy. Dennis Green was 97-62 as a head coach before he came here.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Harbaugh definitely wants back in the NFL. He thought he had the Vikings job last year.
I forgot how good his record was in the league.
44-19-1, 5-3 in the playoffs.
13-3 the first year, and SF was 6-10 the prior year.
11-4-1, NFC Champs
12-4
8-8= fired

He costs zero draft pick compensation. He should be the #1 target.

100%. The fact that he had major success with a player like Colin Kaepernick is even more of a reason to pry him away. If Kliff can't do anything with Kyler, the next person I'd trust his Harbaugh.

 

[sdscard4]

My guy. Dennis Green was 97-62 as a head coach before he came here.

Denny Green would have been an excellent GM that dude had a nose for talent...big time

 

[RON_IN_OC]

Lost me at "plan".

 

[Zalixar]

Denny Green would have been an excellent GM that dude had a nose for talent...big time

Yeah, too bad we let him off the hook.

 

[Harry]

And it sucks. Sometimes organizations aren't settled or smart enough to play chess and they have to play checkers until they can reach that level. Harbaugh and Payton are checkers HC hires. The chess move is getting an awesome GM, letting that GM hire an HC and move forward. I feel like the Cardinals keep trying to play chess and they just need to to play checkers for a while until they can learn how chess is played.

I’m not at all confident that Bidwill’s able to accept this. His ego seems to demand he gets credit (even though failure is too often the result) for leading the team and making the big decisions. The fact he insists on debriefs after each game tells you he’s unable to truly delegate and has a controlling personality. He lacks the expertise to make the necessary decisions, but insists on making them anyway.

 

[JosiahLee]

Where is this coming from? Honestly.

Where is this coming from? Honestly.

Here’s an article with Deon Sanders, Jay Glazer, and Randy Moss who played with the 49ers stating that the players were done with him as their coach:

Jim Harbaugh REALLY HATED by his 49ers players, say multiple sources

So it's clear, tensions between the Niners and Jim Harbaugh are truly escalating.

www.thesportsbank.net

 

[QuebecCard]

I’m not at all confident that Bidwill’s able to accept this. His ego seems to demand he gets credit (even though failure is too often the result) for leading the team and making the big decisions. The fact he insists on debriefs after each game tells you he’s unable to truly delegate and has a controlling personality. He lacks the expertise to make the necessary decisions, but insists on making them anyway.

Does Mike INSIST on debriefs, or were video sessions offered, and they became part of the routine?

And I somehow doubt that this inclusion of the owner is a first or particularly novel.

If he were as hands-on, all-controlling as you suggest, he'd be titled: Owner/President/General Manager like Jerry Jones.

 

[kerouac9]

Jim Harbaugh REALLY HATED by his 49ers players, say multiple sources

So it's clear, tensions between the Niners and Jim Harbaugh are truly escalating.

www.thesportsbank.net

If you read that as any more than water-carrying for ownership, you probably didn’t read the link you posted.

 

[JosiahLee]

If you read that as any more than water-carrying for ownership, you probably didn’t read the link you posted.

I just remember lots of rumors swirling at the time and various outlets saying his voice was growing old in the locker room. I feel like Joe Staley was one of the key vets who was leading the charge for change.

 

[kerouac9]

I just remember lots of rumors swirling at the time and various outlets saying his voice was growing old in the locker room. I feel like Joe Staley was one of the key vets who was leading the charge for change.

Jed York wishcasting

 

[cardpa]

First and foremost let’s stop with the talk of trading Murray. Can’t happen. So move on from there.
A combo of Ireland and Payton seems like a no brainer but I think that might be unrealistic. I think the best we can hope for is DeMarco Ryan which I think would be a mistake. With the talent the 49ers have on defense the SHOULD be good. It would take 3 years to acquire that much talent.
I think our “ co-GM “ is already in the building.
I think it’s 51/49 that Kingsbury is fired.
We need to come up with a QB that can start the season and perhaps go until week 8-10. We need a guy that can win and perhaps compete a bit with Murray to make him work to get better. Brissett seems like an average guy that could handle the situation.
We need to build an offensive line. A center and a guard is needed at minimum.
We need a rb with speed. A big WR would be nice but the club will make us believe Wesley is the guy.
Those investments will probably limit us being able to do much more. So on defense we need a big DT that can stop the run.we are going to have to live with Sanders and Thomas and hope they step into a starting position. We have to find a way to resign Allen and Murphy.
Do you think we can get younger at punter and field goal kicker?

Interesting thought which led me to thinking what if the guy brought in to play QB until Murray is ready ends up doing a bang up job and is leading the team to multiple wins and playoff contention? Do you still insert Murray and hope the success continues or do you stick with the guy who is leading the team and does Murray go into sulk mode because he isn't getting on the field.

I don't think it happens because the team has too many holes but it's not inconceivable.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

My guy. Dennis Green was 97-62 as a head coach before he came here.

had forgotten about him.

 

[football karma]

Denny Green would have been an excellent GM that dude had a nose for talent...big time

yes, but in fairness

he passed on Philip Rivers and Ben Roethlisberger in 2004 because he loved Josh McCown

 

[kerouac9]

yes, but in fairness

he passed on Philip Rivers and Ben Roethlisberger in 2004 because he loved Josh McCown

He passed on those guys because he loved Larry.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

He passed on those guys because he loved Larry.

Exactly. He likely would have passed on Eli for Larry, even if he had the #1 pick.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

Time to be a Colts fan.

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This is from a parody account, but seems to match with how some feel Keim has run things.

 

[SoonerLou]

I feel like the dumbest solution is the most likely: The Cards fire Kliff, keep Adrian Wilson and Co., pair them with someone like Frank Reich and have a three-headed personnel department.

I think there was an explicit agreement between Kliff and Keim that Kliff was going to be too busy learning the NFL game to get into personnel, and Keim had 100% free rein there. So we ended up in a personnel nightmare that Won't Let Kliff Be Great when it turned out Keim was spending more time scouting Johnny Walker than Kenneth Walker.

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[SoonerLou]

Call it Operation Bird City

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[Cheesebeef]

He passed on those guys because he loved Larry.

I love Larry but the cold hard truth is Denny passed on those guys because he was an idiot.