The Ayton Plan

[AzStevenCal]

I'm glad the Suns matched, but I can't believe they didn't like any combination of assets the Pacers had. I find it more likely that they always intended to match.

I think it was that they didn't like what Indiana was willing to offer.

 

[SirStefan32]

Heh, I love the fact that they matched it immediately. Indiana thought they were calling the Suns' bluff, and the Suns simply matched immediately. Love it!

 

[Covert Rain]

The Suns were committed to competing for a title and bringing Ayton back.

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Except if the price is right. LOL. All of these trade rumors and the Suns allegedly negotiating with teams directly or in a 3 ways….it not exactly a commitment. Where there is smoke………

I am sure they will spin it that way.

 

[ajcardfan]

Ok, glad that BS is over.

 

[Mainstreet]

I'm now wondering if the Pacers tweaked the contract in some way like player options near the end of the contract.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Heh, I love the fact that they matched it immediately. Indiana thought they were calling the Suns' bluff, and the Suns simply matched immediately. Love it!

I really think they knew all along that we were matching. I wouldn't be surprised to learn that the offer sheet was at the behest of Duffy, it really costs them nothing and maybe earns a future quid pro quo from Bill. Apparently it happens quite often.

 

[TJ]

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[Mainstreet]

Except if the price is right. LOL. All of these trade rumors and the Suns allegedly negotiating with teams directly or in a 3 ways….it not exactly a commitment. Where there is smoke………

I am sure they will spin it that way.

The Suns are so quiet with negotiations it's hard to know what goes on behind the scene.

 

[Covert Rain]

The Suns are so quiet with negotiations it's hard to know what goes on behind the scene.

Oh no doubt. Just saying though that the rumors were consistent with all the teams that were involved. Between the two? There was plenty of smoke.

Either way, glad we can move on.

 

[Mainstreet]

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If the Suns had signed Frank Kaminsky the celebration would be complete.

He liked that necklace.

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[Carolinacacti]

Had to match but I still thinks its to much money for Ayton. Please prove me wrong

 

[Hoop Head]

Unless something has changed in the most recent CBA they do. Trade kickers and player options are really the only pain points teams can apply to a max contract since the payment structure for a max contract is set in stone.

It appears I was wrong. After reading the rule above? Otto Porter was allowed to have a trade kicker in his contract but they say that isn’t a very big deterrent. The rule called it “trade bonus” which is considered a “Principle” condition.

A trade kicker can not bring a players salary over the max, which is what Ayton will be receiving in year 1 of the deal. So if he's traded and the trade kicker brings his overall payment above the max, the kicker is voided. See the Anthony Davis for an instance where that happened and a trade kicker was voided.

Where the kicker would be in play is in later years because with the cap increasing, he may not be making the "max" any longer. The max he is getting now is 25% of the cap as of the time he signs it and each year after he gets 5% raises. His contract doesn't increase to 25% of the cap each year. Since the cap is likely to increase by more than 5% it would allow enough of a discrepancy for his trade kicker to come into play, which is usually a set percentage like 10-15% increase for that current season.

Also It depends on the language used for who pays the kicker also, sometimes it's the team acquiring team and others it's the team trading him away. Details of that vary.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

I really think they knew all along that we were matching. I wouldn't be surprised to learn that the offer sheet was at the behest of Duffy, it really costs them nothing and maybe earns a future quid pro quo from Bill. Apparently it happens quite often.

Except the pacers had to waive and cut a few guys just to be able to present that offer sheet. Maybe they were guys they were already going to get rid of?? Only Time Will tell.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Had to match but I still thinks its to much money for Ayton. Please prove me wrong

Maybe but if so it's not much of an overpay. With his age and the next TV deal in a few years, it's going to look very reasonable by year 3.

 

[Finito]

Except if the price is right. LOL. All of these trade rumors and the Suns allegedly negotiating with teams directly or in a 3 ways….it not exactly a commitment. Where there is smoke………

I am sure they will spin it that way.

Lol

 

[AzStevenCal]

Except the pacers had to waive and cut a few guys just to be able to present that offer sheet. Maybe they were guys they were already going to get rid of?? Only Time Will tell.

I think they were but that's no more than a guess.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Done already. Good. Matching quicklyy says a little something positive to DA, I guess.

I'd wager this was the plan all along.

 

[Mainstreet]

Except the pacers had to waive and cut a few guys just to be able to present that offer sheet. Maybe they were guys they were already going to get rid of?? Only Time Will tell.

Probably but it made me feel better.

 

[Finito]

Maybe but if so it's not much of an overpay. With his age and the next TV deal in a few years, it's going to look very reasonable by year 3.

This is what people are really forgetting.

 

[Hoop Head]

Matching quickly was a good move. They did so before Ayton had the chance to say he doesn't want the Suns to match.

There's also a chance are his team figured the Suns would match and he didn't issue a statement when he signed the offer sheet. That would have only created more drama, which I don't believe Ayton is a fan of. He's paid, he can rest easy right now.

 

[Mainstreet]

No option years in Ayton contract. Yea.

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[TJ]

No option years in Ayton contract. Yea.

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I would’ve signed a player option for the third and fourth seasons.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

No option years in Ayton contract. Yea.

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No options. Good

 

[Finito]

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Ayton hook shots by season
2020: 50%
2021: 56.5%
2022: 66.7%

 

[Mainstreet]

I would’ve signed a player option for the third and fourth seasons.

No options. Good

At least the Pacers played nice in this regard but they probably didn't want to risk Ayton opting out either.