Steve Wilks lawsuit against NFL

[football karma]

Am I missing something? Flores too also got a multi million dollar head coaching job?

after his Dolphins job -- he was interviewed by multiple teams and wasnt offered the job. If what he alleges is true, he likely has a claim against those teams.

it will then come down to determining the facts of the case if he wins his claim

 

[Chris_Sanders]

I called this months ago. Micheal keeping Keim after a DUI would be his downfall

You not only held the white guy to a different standard in regards to the season, you excused an egregious embarrassment to the organization that has gotten multiple players cut.

 

[Jetstream Green]

I’m glad Wilks is no longer HC.

I don’t think his firing was racist. (Gazing into the future thru Wilks colored glasses was like having a brick wall for a windshield).

I think there is racism the NFL in all shapes and sizes. Just not on the Cardinals (We’ve got plenty of other problems).

It’s probably in my DNA to keep my antennae on the lookout for even the slight hints of racism. But if there is a problem, on the Cardinals, I just don’t see it.

Did you really have to use the word DNA lol

 

[Shane]

I called this months ago. Micheal keeping Keim after a DUI would be his downfall

You not only held the white guy to a different standard in regards to the season, you excused an egregious embarrassment to the organization that has gotten multiple players cut.

Ehhh still in no way shape or form makes it a “race based” or “racist” firing.

 

[Shane]

after his Dolphins job -- he was interviewed by multiple teams and wasnt offered the job. If what he alleges is true, he likely has a claim against those teams.

it will then come down to determining the facts of the case if he wins his claim

So now because one team fired you and others still chose to interview you even though you were recently fired? Even though said organization with you only had a 24-25 record in 3 seasons. But you didn’t catch another job then it must be racism? Am I missing something?

 

[Jetstream Green]

Fact, not to say Kingbury is good, but Kingbury is a much better coach than Wilks

 

[Dr. Jones]

That may have been the worst team we have seen this century in the valley.

3-4 to 4-3. Sammy Bradford. The DC he took from Rivera. The story about him meeting Keim or Bidwill on a beach in the Carolinas. His opening presser promising Bidwill he was the right choice.

what a dumpster fire he was.

Still though. MB isn’t a racist. Dumb as all get out? Maybe. Loyal to his butt buddy Keim? Sure. An owner who doesn’t run a winning franchise? Sure. But not racist.

 

[Solar7]

So now because one team fired you and others still chose to interview you even though you were recently fired? Even though said organization with you only had a 24-25 record in 3 seasons. But you didn’t catch another job then it must be racism? Am I missing something?

I'm with you to some degree here. It's not like Mike Tomlin getting released from the Steelers and being passed over for opportunities.

Had he been released from his contract with the Dolphins for reasons focused on racial issues (say, supporting BLM), maybe it would be more relevant, and that would be very valid to litigate. Ray Horton and Wilks pushing a racial bias seems less relevant from the outside looking in. As has been mentioned... we're one of the leading teams in hiring people of color in leading roles, and through the organization.

 

[Cardinal88]

If there is a justified lawsuit, it would be the Cardinals suing Wilks for his coaching ineptitude!

 

[Big D]

Well absent the smoking gun of say the Donald Sterling tapes I think it’s pretty much impossible to actually prove institutional racism exists in pro sports in a court of law.

But any honest, reasonable person with an open mind and two eyes can look at the landscape of the head coaching opportunities in the NFL, the actual numbers (ie facts), and in this particular instance the optics of what transpired within the organization just before and just after Wilks’ hiring/firing and it’s pretty clear that the white guys are afforded and many times extended opportunities that the black guys simply do not get.

Does it mean race was the #1 motivational factor in each of those decisions? No. At the same time if you choose to stick your head in the sand and deny that any type of racial component exists in these situations you either aren’t seeing the whole picture or you’re refusing to acknowledge the elephant in the room. This stuff needs to be brought up and discussed otherwise the status quo will remain the status quo.

 

[Cardinal]

That may have been the worst team we have seen this century in the valley.

3-4 to 4-3. Sammy Bradford. The DC he took from Rivera. The story about him meeting Keim or Bidwill on a beach in the Carolinas. His opening presser promising Bidwill he was the right choice.

what a dumpster fire he was.

Still though. MB isn’t a racist. Dumb as all get out? Maybe. Loyal to his butt buddy Keim? Sure. An owner who doesn’t run a winning franchise? Sure. But not racist.

Butt Buddy Keim! I said the exact same after watching the All or Nothing season. Keim ain’t going anywhere as long as Mike is in charge.

 

[jf-08]

So now because one team fired you and others still chose to interview you even though you were recently fired? Even though said organization with you only had a 24-25 record in 3 seasons. But you didn’t catch another job then it must be racism? Am I missing something?

I think part of the lawsuit is that Flores was set to interview with the Giants and even before he got a chance to interview, Belichick congratulated him on the job, but Bill sent it to Flores instead of Daboll, for which it was intended.

So Flores' issue is that he was set to interview for the Giants head job per Rooney Rule, but the interview was just a farce because the Giants hired Daboll without adhering to the Rooney Rule but still intended to interview Flores AFTER already deciding on Daboll just to satisfy the RR.

Hopefully this makes sense.

Brian Flores explains why Bill Belichick's text messages were crucial to lawsuit against NFL | Sporting News

Flores said the now-infamous texts from the Patriots coach showed that for minority coaches, "oftentimes, it’s not a fair and equal playing field."

www.sportingnews.com

 

[GatorAZ]

Rough time to be an owner of a Valley team

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[Cardinal]

I think part of the lawsuit is that Flores was set to interview with the Giants and even before he got a chance to interview, Belichick congratulated him on the job, but Bill sent it to Flores instead of Daboll, for which it was intended.

So Flores' issue is that he was set to interview for the Giants head job per Rooney Rule, but the interview was just a farce because the Giants hired Daboll without adhering to the Rooney Rule but still intended to interview Flores AFTER already deciding on Daboll just to satisfy the RR.

Hopefully this makes sense.

Brian Flores explains why Bill Belichick's text messages were crucial to lawsuit against NFL | Sporting News

Flores said the now-infamous texts from the Patriots coach showed that for minority coaches, "oftentimes, it’s not a fair and equal playing field."

www.sportingnews.com

This happens in every industry. An employer wants to hire someone they know, but needs to formally conduct a series of interviews with different candidates for HR purposes.

These NFL coaches are just so out of touch with normal jobs that they think their situation is special.

They should be arguing that the Rooney Rule is the main reason these sham interviews are even taking place. It’s the rule that’s the problem. The Giants were just dumb enough to get the order of interviews wrong.

 

[az jam]

That may have been the worst team we have seen this century in the valley.

3-4 to 4-3. Sammy Bradford. The DC he took from Rivera. The story about him meeting Keim or Bidwill on a beach in the Carolinas. His opening presser promising Bidwill he was the right choice.

what a dumpster fire he was.

Still though. MB isn’t a racist. Dumb as all get out? Maybe. Loyal to his butt buddy Keim? Sure. An owner who doesn’t run a winning franchise? Sure. But not racist.

Agree, I also don't feel Keim is a racist. Both Quentin Harris and Adrian Wilson are Afro-Americans and VPs over player personnel. Whether you like MB or Keim is a different story but I just don't see the organization being racist.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Ehhh still in no way shape or form makes it a “race based” or “racist” firing.

You can't have different standards as an owner or CEO especially when it involves a protected class.

 

[BigDavis75]

I don’t agree with Wilks in this specific case but I agree with the overall sentiment of the allegation.

It does add another perspective for how terrible of a decision keeping Keim past that point and then extending him is.

 

[Russ Smith]

I don’t agree with Wilks in this specific case but I agree with the overall sentiment of the allegation.

It does add another perspective for how terrible of a decision keeping Keim past that point and then extending him is.

That's where I am I think there are clear cases, Detroit and Miami most recently, where African American coaches were essentially set up to be on losing teams get a high pick then get fired so they can hire another coach. I don't think that's what happened to Wilks. I think he joined on to other lawsuits that suggested that but the one he's filed apparently doesn't allege that or if it does I missed it he is more saying I had to win with a rookie Rosen if I had a rookie Murray I would have won.

I don't think we would have and I think the difference was obvious, the offense that year got worse all year, QB's changed, OL, WR's the talent got less all year but we never saw any signs even after the OC was gone that there was a fix on the way. There was no hope that the offense was going to be appreciably better the next year.

With Kliff as many issues as I do have with him you could see as the year went on Kliff was figuring things out, he changed from all the 4 WR sets to multi TE sets. He figured out he could run the ball etc. Murray had some struggles later in the year but he showed progress, you could see there was hope for improvement, none was evident with Wilks.

But I do think there's a double standard in that Keim did a horrible job building that team and didn't lose his job over it

 

[JeffGollin]

My reference to “DNA” was made without (according to some posters) knowing that Wilks consistently leaned on that term.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

Butt Buddy Keim! I said the exact same after watching the All or Nothing season. Keim ain’t going anywhere as long as Mike is in charge.

Kevin is to Mike B, what Goodell is to the NFL (32 owners). Sure he's got some influence on decision making, but he's really there to take heat and be an ownership buffer....and paid well for it.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

When he was hired, I was thinking "we got us a Mike Tomlin"
Wrong . . .

I never thought Tomlin, but I did think the Defensive equivalent to Jim Caldwell.

 

[tnmike]

I think the optics are awful for the Cards and this has an excellent chance of being ruled in favor of Wilks, even though the numbers and performance on the field support his termination. This is on top of the team keeping Keim after poor personnel moves and his DUI

Appearances don't count when the law is concerned.

 

[cardncubfan]

But it’s not the bottom line. It’s your bottom line, but multiple posters disagreed with you and thought five years was a pretty big extension.

And I’m not trying make something out of a difference of opinion. The problem is that by throwing out a baseless and never mentioned or implied “one year comment”, you are projecting a different opinion than the one currently being discussed. That is a straw man argument. It’s as simple as that.

Trying to make something out of nothing again. I get it. You can't stand someone having a different opinion than you. I said it's not like coaches get signed to a one year contract like players which is true is not? Nothing baseless about it. Please explain if you think it is baseless. I would say on average they get 3 years would you agree? Probably not. 5 may be above average but it's not MASSIVE in my opinion. That is all. Have a good day!

 

[Cheesebeef]

Trying to make something out of nothing again. I get it. You can't stand someone having a different opinion than you. I said it's not like coaches get signed to a one year contract like players which is true is not? Nothing baseless about it. Please explain if you think it is baseless. I would say on average they get 3 years would you agree? Probably not. 5 may be above average but it's not MASSIVE in my opinion. That is all. Have a good day!

Huh? I’m fine with a different opinion. I’ve argued against yours and stated why I think you bringing 1 year deals up is a total non-sequitir meant to shift the argument to one no one made. Why you’ve decided to get personal here is beyond me but so be it.

 

[bankybruce]

To recap since most everyone is saying the same thing!

1. Keim sucked and should have been fired too along with Wilks.
2. Wilks firing was justified, even with a bad roster.
3. Flores' Lawsuit overall has merit.
4. Horton's allegations might or might not have merit.
5. The optics of the roster and keeping Keim look bad on the surface, but race had zero factor.
6. Wilks didn't want Rosen and apparently wanted Allen. Was upset that we stayed put, even though we didn't. We traded up for Rosen and there was chatter was tried to trade up further at one point.

Did I get it right?