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This is exactly correct.
Cardinals Economics - Kyler and the Future
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This is exactly correct.
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I've agreed with you on the trade him/pay him proposal. I would much rather trade him than give him 50+ million at this point in his career. I disagree that it's impossible to make him play and earn it this year, but it's not ideal. The problem with the pay him idea is that you might cripple the organization for 5+ years if the QB doesn't change after given incentive to do the same thing he's been doing before. What kind of neat accounting takes do you have that will help us in that instance? I get the ride-or-die thought process, but I'd much rather not pin all our hopes on KM doing a complete 180 AFTER a ginormous reward deal.
Finally, what kind of leadership trend does it send to the rest of your team/organization when pouting and Eff You behavior (refusing to re-enter a playoff game) gets not only rewarded, but record-setting NFL pay rewarded? It sends a godawful message.
Oh, and nice walking the line with "stupid and shortsighted." We both know the insult is meant, under the thin veneer of "the idea."
I believe the idea that just punt on settling this til next year was ever an option is stupid and that was apparently that was the organizational idea. Every bit of this off season is pretty much not what I would do.
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Lamar Jackson apparently represents himself but this is the next domino
kerouac9
Klowned by Keim
After Wentz and Goff I can't believe this is really an assertion that reasonable people can make anymore.I've agreed with you on the trade him/pay him proposal. I would much rather trade him than give him 50+ million at this point in his career. I disagree that it's impossible to make him play and earn it this year, but it's not ideal. The problem with the pay him idea is that you might cripple the organization for 5+ years if the QB doesn't change after given incentive to do the same thing he's been doing before. What kind of neat accounting takes do you have that will help us in that instance? I get the ride-or-die thought process, but I'd much rather not pin all our hopes on KM doing a complete 180 AFTER a ginormous reward deal.
Finally, what kind of leadership trend does it send to the rest of your team/organization when pouting and Eff You behavior (refusing to re-enter a playoff game) gets not only rewarded, but record-setting NFL pay rewarded? It sends a godawful message.
Oh, and nice walking the line with "stupid and shortsighted." We both know the insult is meant, under the thin veneer of "the idea."
Stout
Hold onto the ball, Murray!
Yeah, and I trust Keim to structure the contract so it's easy to cut bait, and I trust that KM would accept that deal.
Chopper0080
2021 - Prove It
If you told me Kyler would sign for 5 years and an average of 45 with reasonable outs due to injury, I would probably take it as this point (a little begrudgingly at this point tbh). Despite his flaws he is still a top 12 QB in the NFL. We might be a perennial 8 -10 win team that never wins the division or makes a serious playoff run, but I just can't see a better path right now.
Thank you Dhop!
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The Cardinals converted WR Deandre Hopkins $10.65M roster bonus into a signing bonus, creating $7.1M in 2022 cap space, per source.
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The Cardinals converted WR Deandre Hopkins $10.65M roster bonus into a signing bonus, creating $7.1M in 2022 cap space, per source.
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Well at least they are executing what looked like a path to being competitive.
Stout
Hold onto the ball, Murray!
If not a plan to improve on last season. We are at best treading water, at this point, and will have to do massive work to even get back to where we were last season, let alone improve.
Being competitive or winning enough to get into the playoffs?
The FO's track record is not stellar
Krangodnzr
Captain of Team Murray
Just not losing Hopkins alone will help the Cardinals out next season.
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With less trade partners every day the cost of Kyler just goes up and the return on a trade dwindles.
Stout
Hold onto the ball, Murray!
Yes, having him back is crucial. Problem is, he's only one player, star though he is. As clear as it was that the roster wasn't good enough last season, especially in the depth department, the roster is not just worse right now, but significantly worse at premium positions. And, at this point, it's looking like the draft is the only way to remedy this, which is a terrible strategy on the face of it, and that's before you add in our lack of picks and awful drafting GM.
We knew it didn't look good heading into the offseason; it looks a lot worse at this point in time.
I don't see it that way as there is no need to trade him this year. He can play out year 4 with the 5th year option lined up.
And there are teams that if Kyler was made available would move on from their current QB.
Ertz: Outside expectations want Kyler Murray to be 'prototypical Tom Brady'
Count the likes of tight end Zach Ertz and running back James Conner as a couple of returning vets that trust and believe in QB Kyler Murray.
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He isn't playing on the current contract. His agent has said it. 98.7 has reported it multiple times.
There isn't an outcome where everyone else gets extended / resigned and Murray just accepts being the only guy that has to play it out.
Players say they aren't going to play on the current contract until it gets to the bit where they are going to not get paid, and lose an accrued season and it dawns on them that they come off worse.
I expect a deal to get done anyway.
Stout
Hold onto the ball, Murray!
Exactamundo, including on the deal getting done.
Stout
Hold onto the ball, Murray!
This article buoyed me somewhat. I'm still not pleased with the kid, but it speaks well that guys want to play with him and will speak highly of him. Sure, you could argue that they just wanted to get paid, but I'm choosing to walk on the light side of the street hereErtz: Outside expectations want Kyler Murray to be 'prototypical Tom Brady'
Count the likes of tight end Zach Ertz and running back James Conner as a couple of returning vets that trust and believe in QB Kyler Murray.
Stout
Hold onto the ball, Murray!
If the team took a hard-line stance, you can bet your bottom dollar he'd play. He's not giving up the $$$ and sitting out a season just to hold out. That said, it shouldn't come to that, and I don't think it will.
Krangodnzr
Captain of Team Murray
Almost every team losing their #1 target will significantly hurt their offense.
Krangodnzr
Captain of Team Murray
Pretty much every negative thing you're hearing about Murray isn't coming from the Cardinals. Players have all said great things about him.This article buoyed me somewhat. I'm still not pleased with the kid, but it speaks well that guys want to play with him and will speak highly of him. Sure, you could argue that they just wanted to get paid, but I'm choosing to walk on the light side of the street here
Stout
Hold onto the ball, Murray!
Absolutely. We'll have him back, hopefully at full speed for the whole season. What about the rest of the offense? We shall see.
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