Do you really think Cards would trade Rosen and turn over the QB job to Murray?

[Krangodnzr]

Murray could have defeated the German army in the morning and served a 4 course meal to Allied troops in the evening.

True, true - I tell you!

Umm he's no Audie Murphy (Do you Brits even know who he is? Most decorated Soldier ever. He was tiny)

Though there are obvious comparisons...

 

[Krangodnzr]

No problem, I just think this Rosen lovefest is sickening. He was awful in college and I don't see it getting better. BTW, OU is my least favorite college team, but Murray is a winner unlike Joshie boy.....

I like Murray, but Rosen wasn't awful in college.

UCLA is a crap college program.

 

[JeffGollin]

The conversation about Rosen and Murray leads to one thing. Who is the best quarterback for the Cardinals.

I've seen Rosen play so I have doubts about him. If the Cardinals like Murray they should draft him.

No position on the team will have more impact than quarterback.

Within the contex of a new regime arriving with new schemes and approaches, the franchise could stand a little bit of stability in the form of a QB with a more traditional skill-set. Now is not the time for roling he dice.

The logic of this the above points to the Cards sticking with Rosen and drafting a non-QB at #1 or trading for more picks.

The only dynamic that would convince the Cardinal brass to take Murray would be if they concluded he was light-years better than Rosen (& we don't know this one way or the other yet).

 

[Krangodnzr]

Someone earlier asked, "Do you pass on Manning when you already have Plummer?"

The answer is NO. The Cardinals faced this scenario the year Aaron Rodgers came out. They passed on him because they had Josh McCown.

If the Cardinals think Murray is better, you take the better player. I would advocate this scenario most of the time, except for when a more important position is available.

In this instance, the most important position in sports has a potential upgrade. I have heard no one now say that Rosen is better than Murray. Once people have gone back and watched him, this is the conclusion I'm hearing.

 

[slanidrac16]

Someone earlier asked, "Do you pass on Manning when you already have Plummer?"

The answer is NO. The Cardinals faced this scenario the year Aaron Rodgers came out. They passed on him because they had Josh McCown.

If the Cardinals think Murray is better, you take the better player. I would advocate this scenario most of the time, except for when a more important position is available.

In this instance, the most important position in sports has a potential upgrade. I have heard no one now say that Rosen is better than Murray. Once people have gone back and watched him, this is the conclusion I'm hearing.

But krang, taking Murray is just conjecture by anybody grading him. How much better would Murray “ possibly” be. Just for the sake of explaining my point let’s ssy Murray is projected to be 20% better than Rosen. However trading down gets you Williams who projected 30 % than the player he’s replacing and Fant who is 20 % better than the player he is replacing and Harry who is projected to be 60 % better than the player he is replacing. Wouldn’t that seem to make the argument that trading down would be the right thing to do?

 

[Mainstreet]

Within the contex of a new regime arriving with new schemes and approaches, the franchise could stand a little bit of stability in the form of a QB with a more traditional skill-set. Now is not the time for roling he dice.

The logic of this the above points to the Cards sticking with Rosen and drafting a non-QB at #1 or trading for more picks.

The only dynamic that would convince the Cardinal brass to take Murray would be if they concluded he was light-years better than Rosen (& we don't know this one way or the other yet).

I don't think the Cardinals should pass on Murray for the sake of stability... if they think he is better than Rosen.

However, it would not surprise me if the Cardinals are building up the market for Murray so they can trade down.

The value of the number 1 pick can be maximized if the Cardinals like a lot of different players almost equally. It would be so much fun to see the Cardinals get a boatload of picks..

 

[Krangodnzr]

But krang, taking Murray is just conjecture by anybody grading him. How much better would Murray “ possibly” be. Just for the sake of explaining my point let’s ssy Murray is projected to be 20% better than Rosen. However trading down gets you Williams who projected 30 % than the player he’s replacing and Fant who is 20 % better than the player he is replacing and Harry who is projected to be 60 % better than the player he is replacing. Wouldn’t that seem to make the argument that trading down would be the right thing to do?

No.. because 20% better at QB is a staggering difference.

An ILB who is 20% better isnt a staggering difference.

 

[BW52]

Someone earlier asked, "Do you pass on Manning when you already have Plummer?"

The answer is NO. The Cardinals faced this scenario the year Aaron Rodgers came out. They passed on him because they had Josh McCown.

If the Cardinals think Murray is better, you take the better player. I would advocate this scenario most of the time, except for when a more important position is available.

In this instance, the most important position in sports has a potential upgrade. I have heard no one now say that Rosen is better than Murray. Once people have gone back and watched him, this is the conclusion I'm hearing.

Looking up the NFL.com draft ratings on Rosen and Murray

ROSEN 6.19
Murray 6.25

So where is the gap between the two?Rated pretty equal going into the draft.Now Rosen has a years experience and Murray fans want to scuttle the ship and get a new QB.

There is no guarantee Murray will win 3 games as a starting QB.Nothing is in stone.

 

[Krangodnzr]

I don't think the Cardinals should pass on Murray for the sake of stability... if they think he is better than Rosen.

However, it would not surprise me if the Cardinals are building up the market for Murray so they can trade down.

The value of the number 1 pick can be maximized if the Cardinals like a lot of different players almost equally. It would be so much fun to see the Cardinals get a boatload of picks..

If a package of at least 4 high picks is out there and you don't trade down, make the trade.

Rosen with a really good supporting cast is better than Murray with what the Cardinals have now.

 

[slanidrac16]

No.. because 20% better at QB is a staggering difference.

An ILB who is 20% better isnt a staggering difference.

 

[Mainstreet]

If a package of at least 4 high picks is out there and you don't trade down, make the trade.

Rosen with a really good supporting cast is better than Murray with what the Cardinals have now.

Don't tempt me. LOL

 

[slanidrac16]

But we’re saying upgrading 3 positions As opposed to one.

 

[DVontel]

I like Kyler more than Rosen because I think he’ll be a better QB


Not because of being a “better fit in the Kingsbury” offense or that dumb crap

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[Krangodnzr]

I like Kyler more than Rosen because I think he’ll be a better QB


Not because of being a “better fit in the Kingsbury” offense or that dumb crap

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Me three

 

[BW52]

Me three

Me not.

 

[Krangodnzr]

But we’re saying upgrading 3 positions As opposed to one.

The NFL average for a draft pick becoming a starter is 15%.

It's higher for 1st and 2nd rounders, but not by a crazy amount. The percentage that become pro bowlers is smaller still.

So at the end of the day a really good player is worth more than picks usually.

 

[Delmar M Lewis]

I'm thinking Keim and Kingsbury have discussed the team.

I imagine they have among themselves what I am wondering if KK is allowed to talk to individual players themselves I think I've read that coaches cannot even talk to players till April 1 OTAs per CBA rules which if that's the case then No one really knows what is going on and all of this is just conjecture and wishful thinking

 

[Delmar M Lewis]

Someone earlier asked, "Do you pass on Manning when you already have Plummer?"

The answer is NO. The Cardinals faced this scenario the year Aaron Rodgers came out. They passed on him because they had Josh McCown.

If the Cardinals think Murray is better, you take the better player. I would advocate this scenario most of the time, except for when a more important position is available.

In this instance, the most important position in sports has a potential upgrade. I have heard no one now say that Rosen is better than Murray. Once people have gone back and watched him, this is the conclusion I'm hearing.

I really think this is one of the few Denny Green. Mistake when it came to drafting or was it Whiz?

 

[ajcardfan]

But krang, taking Murray is just conjecture by anybody grading him. How much better would Murray “ possibly” be. Just for the sake of explaining my point let’s ssy Murray is projected to be 20% better than Rosen. However trading down gets you Williams who projected 30 % than the player he’s replacing and Fant who is 20 % better than the player he is replacing and Harry who is projected to be 60 % better than the player he is replacing. Wouldn’t that seem to make the argument that trading down would be the right thing to do?

I would say you undervalue the QB position. You are settling for other positions with not nearly the value of a QB. It's not math. The numbers you are adding together mean nothing, to anybody, except to you.

 

[slanidrac16]

I would say you undervalue the QB position. You are settling for other positions with not nearly the value of a QB. It's not math. The numbers you are adding together mean nothing, to anybody, except to you.

If we were heading into the season with Glennon by all means. I guess I might be the first to mention trading down for more picks , huh? I am not expressing expertise. I am asking for the sake of discussion.

 

[Solar7]

It could be the Cardinals hit on both quarterbacks.

If this best case scenario happens, they will be handsomely rewarded in a trade later on.

Oh, come on. If we draft Murray #1, he's not going anywhere. And every team will hold their bellies while they laugh at us with him on our bench. And we're not selling Rosen to anyone based on preseason games. We won;t be rewarded, we'll have used the first overall pick to get less of a return.

 

[Mainstreet]

Oh, come on. If we draft Murray #1, he's not going anywhere. And every team will hold their bellies while they laugh at us with him on our bench. And we're not selling Rosen to anyone based on preseason games. We won;t be rewarded, we'll have used the first overall pick to get less of a return.

I'd prefer the Cardinals keep Rosen next season even if they draft Murray. The reward is getting the right QBOTF.

 

[JCSunsfan]

I'd prefer the Cardinals keep Rosen next season even if they draft Murray. The reward is getting the right QBOTF.

I have been saying this for a while now.

If the Cardinals trade Rosen right now, what would they get? Maybe a 3rd round pick, a 2nd if they are lucky.

If the Cards don't draft Murray, he will not fall far. So Murray is rated higher almost universally than Rosen? I do not get why we would bypass Murray and keep Rosen if Murray is that much better of a prospect. Keep them both. Figure it out. A quality starting QB is the one position that it is really, really hard to trade for. We are going to have one of these two for the next ten years or more. It is important to get this right. Bosa or no Bosa.

 

[GatorAZ]

I'd prefer the Cardinals keep Rosen next season even if they draft Murray. The reward is getting the right QBOTF.

I’ll take how to kill a young QB’s confidence, divide a locker room and become the laughing stock of the league for $1000, Alex.

 

[Jetstream Green]

I’ll take how to kill a young QB’s confidence, divide a locker room and become the laughing stock of the league for $1000, Alex.

I will go for 4,000 Alex and keep Rosen, and then draft Bosa or Williams and kill the other team's QB