The Rosen Problem

[TJ]

What you aren't measuring is the effect of previous failure and poor playcalling.

It's not a secret that when a QB starts to feel pressure too much, they start to feel pressure that isn't there.

Agree. Analytics will tell a story, but won’t tell THE story here

 

[TJ]

Feel comfortable saying that we’re not discussing this if Kliff doesn’t do a pregame hype interview before playing Oklahoma

 

[DVontel]

Imagine if someone like Freddie Kitchens got hired

There would probably be 2 Murray threads at best on here

 

[azsouthendzone]

Imagine if someone like Freddie Kitchens got hired

Thank God that didn't happen.

 

[DVontel]

Thank God that didn't happen.

Why?

 

[CardLogic]

Thank God that didn't happen.

Why?

Yeah, why?

 

[GuernseyCard]

Yeah, why?

Well, he once coached in AZ, so he must be crap !

 

[mojorizen7]

I've seen this line of thinking somewhere before. I remember now....

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No one looked good on offense in 2016. Not Gurley, not Saffold, not Havenstein, not Higbee, none of the receivers...not Goff. Nobody. It was a shitshow. I could say the same for the Cards O in 2018.

IMO Goff looked even a bit worse than Rosen did surrounded by bad players and bad coaching. I'd say the common denominator is that they both handled losing and getting beat up quite well mentally. I fully expected Rosen's psyche, attitude and body language to collapse by December last year after hearing about all the so called "reports" on his bad attitude, but he showed me something by not pointing fingers and making excuses. I think that's been overlooked here, and a very positive tell tale sign about his character.

My point is you don't know what he is yet. You can't know. I happen to believe he can play, and with a competent staff and surrounding cast i believe he will play well.

Plus he's a pocket passer. Those guys are the QB's winning the important games. The shelf life of the dual threat QB is historically marginal it seems to me...but they sure are fun to watch for a few years.

Hope ya'll get who you want on draft day. If it were me i'd roll with Rosen and give him some elite targets and protection. Trade down or draft the BPA at #1

Just my 2 cents, but like i said at the top, i've seen this before.

 

[BigRedRage]

I've seen this line of thinking somewhere before. I remember now....

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No one looked good on offense in 2016. Not Gurley, not Saffold, not Havenstein, not Higbee, none of the receivers...not Goff. Nobody. It was a shitshow. I could say the same for the Cards O in 2018.

IMO Goff looked even a bit worse than Rosen did surrounded by bad players and bad coaching. I'd say the common denominator is that they both handled losing and getting beat up quite well mentally. I fully expected Rosen's psyche, attitude and body language to collapse by December last year after hearing about all the so called "reports" on his bad attitude, but he showed me something by not pointing fingers and making excuses. I think that's been overlooked here, and a very positive tell tale sign about his character.

My point is you don't know what he is yet. You can't know. I happen to believe he can play, and with a competent staff and surrounding cast i believe he will play well.

Plus he's a pocket passer. Those guys are the QB's winning the important games. The shelf life of the dual threat QB is historically marginal it seems to me...but they sure are fun to watch for a few years.

Hope ya'll get who you want on draft day. If it were me i'd roll with Rosen and give him some elite targets and protection. Trade down or draft the BPA at #1

Just my 2 cents, but like i said at the top, i've seen this before.

Get your logical assessment outa here! look at the stats!

 

[Brian in Mesa]

So everyone has injuries. Everyone has dropped passes. Arizona was actually one of the tops in the league in catching passes. Arizona was dead average in man games lost.

Excuses are like...well you know.

You're 100% right. Rosen sucks. We should all just give up on him. Feel better now?

 

[Chopper0080]

My question is who on this board really thinks Josh Rosen can be anything more than Matt Ryan as an NFL player? If you do, then you will likely be disappointed with his career. If you don't, then you are probably going to meet your expectations.

 

[football karma]

the real Rosen problem is that pretty much every element necessary to put a QB in a position to succeed last year was missing.

Advanced stats may control for *some* of that, but not all or even most of it

we have no idea if he is a playoff-game-winning caliber QB or not -- even after 13 games of NFL action.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

you keep finding ways to denigrate Rosen and implying he can`t or won`t improve.To me that's grasping at straws .If you watched Rosen and failed to see any quality skills then you are watching the wrong freaking sport and have your own agenda.

Great point. Josh was on fire in the Seattle game. Leading us down the field toward a sure FG or TD to break the tie and gain the lead. Looked sharp and was coming into his own.

Then the coaching staff shut him down, called three straight runs up the middle, and took a long FG attempt (which was missed).

Factor that into the stats...

 

[Jetstream Green]

My question is who on this board really thinks Josh Rosen can be anything more than Matt Ryan as an NFL player? If you do, then you will likely be disappointed with his career. If you don't, then you are probably going to meet your expectations.

I am totally fine with a Matt Ryan/Eli Manning type if that is what Rosen hopefully can be... at this point, I don't want to turn down bread in want of a steak lol

 

[Brian in Mesa]

Well, he once coached in AZ, so he must be crap !

Statistics prove it. LOL

 

[football karma]

Josh Rosen can be anything more than Matt Ryan as an NFL player?

by this im guessing the implication is "needs to be surrounded by high end talent on offense to be successful"

I think most would sign up for a Matt Ryan equivalent

 

[GuernseyCard]

My question is who on this board really thinks Josh Rosen can be anything more than Matt Ryan as an NFL player? If you do, then you will likely be disappointed with his career. If you don't, then you are probably going to meet your expectations.

And when exactly did Matt Ryan become a bad QB?

 

[Cheesebeef]

My question is who on this board really thinks Josh Rosen can be anything more than Matt Ryan as an NFL player? If you do, then you will likely be disappointed with his career. If you don't, then you are probably going to meet your expectations.

Ryan seems like a pretty good ceiling. If he reached that level, I'd be pretty happy. Put a good enough team around him and he can win a Super Bowl... as long as they're not playing Voldemort.

Seriously... Ryan has been to what... 3 NFC Title Games and a Super Bowl and the playoffs something like 7 times? Never really with all that good of a defense or next level coaching? it's not a HOF QB, but that would be pretty damn solid.

 

[DVontel]

My question is who on this board really thinks Josh Rosen can be anything more than Matt Ryan as an NFL player? If you do, then you will likely be disappointed with his career. If you don't, then you are probably going to meet your expectations.

I would love it if Rosen became a future HOFer like Matt Ryan is gonna be. Omg.

 

[Cheesebeef]

And when exactly did Matt Ryan become a bad QB?

when exactly did Chopper say Ryan became a bad QB?

Oh yeah... never.

 

[DVontel]

Ryan seems like a pretty good ceiling. If he reached that level, I'd be pretty happy. Put a good enough team around him and he can win a Super Bowl... as long as they're not playing Voldemort.

Seriously... Ryan has been to what... 3 NFC Title Games and a Super Bowl and the playoffs something like 7 times? Never really with all that good of a defense or next level coaching? it's not a HOF QB, but that would be pretty damn solid.

I mean, if guys like Rivers & Romo are getting touted as future HOFers, the same should be said as such for Matt Ryan who is gonna pass by both their records when he hangs it up. Not to mention, doing more with less compared to Rivers.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

My question is who on this board really thinks Josh Rosen can be anything more than Matt Ryan as an NFL player? If you do, then you will likely be disappointed with his career. If you don't, then you are probably going to meet your expectations.

I would be pretty happy with Matt Ryan honestly.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I mean, if guys like Rivers & Romo are getting touted as future HOFers, the same should be said as such for Matt Ryan who is gonna pass by both their records when he hangs it up. Not to mention, doing more with less compared to Rivers.

Romo shouldn't be anywhere near a HOFer... and Rivers is iffy for me. But that's pretty much Ryan territory and I'd be happy with that.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Great point. Josh was on fire in the Seattle game. Leading us down the field toward a sure FG or TD to break the tie and gain the lead. Looked sharp and was coming into his own.

Then the coaching staff shut him down, called three straight runs up the middle, and took a long FG attempt (which was missed).

Factor that into the stats...

Yes that was his best game by far. He had a QBR of 79.3. He didn't throw a lot of yards but he managed the game well.

That is the guy I think we can win with.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

I had no idea Rosen had 3 games with single digit QBRs. All three almost exactly a month apart.

10/18 Denver 2.2

11/18 Oakland 3.6

12/16 Atlanta 3.3