Which Cardinals belong in the ring of honor? Poll

[sundevil04]

Which, if any do you think belongs in? Vote for as many as you like

 

[sundevil04]

My bad, Warner is already in. I'm not sure how to edit him out of the pole, so axe that choice please

 

[jf-08]

My bad, Warner is already in. I'm not sure how to edit him out of the pole, so axe that choice please

Axed.

 

[sundevil04]

thank you

 

[RugbyMuffin]

There was talk about this on Arizona Sports Radio today.

The argument was that "You cannot have 5 players from the same team go in the Ring of Honor"

- Larry Fitzgerald
- Kurt Warner
- Adrian Wilson
- Anquan Boldin
- Darnell Dockett

I say, why in the hell not?

For me, this organization's turning point, and I mean turning point as a 100 year old professional sports organization, will ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS be when the Cardinals bet the Cowboys at home, and it ended with Sean Morey blocking a punt and Monty Beisel recovering it in the endzone. Why? Cause that was the last game of the Same ol' Cardinals, even though at one point at the end of Whiz's tenure I thought the Same ol' Cardinals were coming back, nope. Didn't happen. Why? Cause the Same ol' Cardinals were dead and buried.

Why is that game important? Because the Cardinals were supposed to lose. Really, I 100% believe that. Yes, conspiracy theories and tin foil hats are definitely going down right now. Its not that the Cardinals won that game, it is that was the game that the NFL setup for the Cowboys to start their push for the playoffs. The game was announced by Sam Casan, Troy Aikman, and Daryl Johnston for Pete's Sake. The entire pre-game was a Cowboys build up.

During the game, the Cardinals sacked, forced a fumble, and recovered the ball THREE TIMES. THREE DAMN TIMES. Everyone was called back, including one the Cardinals recovered in the endzone. Two, count them two tuck rules, and a "his hand was going forward" when Romo's hand wasn't even up near his ear to throw the ball. Add in a pooch kick that the Cardinals clearly recovered, that was, yeah you guessed it, OVER TURNED.

That game should have been a complete blowout for the Cardinals, they should have been the Cowboys by at least 4 scores, but the refs did their job and greased those Cowboy wheels just enough to get the game into over time. Where the Cardinals did their thing, blocked the punt, won the game, and just to make sure we Cardinals fans KNEW it wasn't supposed to happen, you can hear Troy Aikman mumble, "disappointing" into the microphone as the Cardinals celebrated in the end zone. It was a great game with a great finish but the Fox broadcast team was too busy mourning to sound excited. Don't worry, the fans at UoP did enough cheering to embrace the moment.

From that day on, this organization has been looked at a different way, but the whole league. From that day forward the Cardinals started to be an actual, respected, and worth the price of admission football organization. All 5 players were present for that moment, and that moment doesn't happen without them.

So, yeah, those 5 players are EXTREMELY important to the Arizona Cardinals. Every single one had a huge part in turning this organization around, they were the first to blaze the trail, so yeah, they deserve it, 100%.

There is always something to say for the ones who did it first, the ones that had to make the trail themselves. Yeah, there may be another player down the road as good as Dockett that doesn't go in the Ring of Honor, well, there is a reason. It is because Dockett was one of the players that blazed the trail that made the Cardinals the ARIZONA Cardinals.

100% deserving.

 

[TruColor]

I still want Jim Hart in there...

 

[CFLredzoned]

There was talk about this on Arizona Sports Radio today.

I liked the argument someone made that the player needs to be 'franchise changing'. That's a really high standard to use. Warner fits that. And Wilson. And Fitz. But I think that's it if you use that standard. I think that would rule out Dockett and even Campbell. Great Pro Bowl players. But Ring of Honor is even higher than that. It's close to Hall of Fame level. Then I thought, wait a second, isn't Roger Wehrli in the Ring of Honor? I don't remember him being life altering. Then I looked it up and oh...

Charles W. Bidwill - Owner - 1933-1947 - Hall of Fame 1967
Ernie Nevers - Fullback - 1929-1931 - Hall of Fame 1963
Jimmy Conzelman - Coach - 1946-1948 - Hall of Fame 1964
John "Paddy" Driscoll - Quarterback - 1920-1925 - Hall of Fame 1965
Charley Trippi - Running Back - 1947-1955 - Hall of Fame 1965
Ollie Matson - Running Back - 1952, 1954-58 - Hall of Fame 1972
Dick "Night Train" Lane - Cornerback - 1954-1959 - Hall of Fame 1974
Marshall Goldberg - Running Back - 1939-1948 -
Dan Dierdorf - Tackle - 1971-1983 - Hall of Fame 1996
Pat Tillman - Safety - 1998-2001 -
Larry Wilson - Safety - 1960-1972 - Hall of Fame 1978
Roger Wehrli - Cornerback - 1969-1982 - Hall of Fame 2007
Aeneas Williams - Cornerback - 1991-2000 - Hall of Fame 2014
Kurt Warner - Quarterback - 2005-2009 -
Adrian Wilson - Safety - 2001-2012 -

http://www.azcardinals.com/history/ring-of-honor.html

So Wehrli was in the Hall of Fame, not to mention just about everybody on the list! Except for Tillman and the new guys and Marshall Goldberg, whoever that is. Looking at that list, it almost seems like Hall of Fame was their criteria all along.

 

[sundevil04]

That must have changed with AW, as much as I like him as a player, he has no chance of HOF

 

[dreamcastrocks]

That must have changed with AW, as much as I like him as a player, he has no chance of HOF

I beg to differ. I think he can make it after multiple passes.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

My thinking is the ring is for elite players and none of those guys are/were elite. An argument can be made for DD. If Dansby and Boldin had played their entire career with Arizona, or at least a bigger %, they'd be locks.

I think Jim Hart, Jackie Smith, and Ottis Anderson should all be in there and maybe Terry Metcalf.

 

[NJCardFan]

During the game, the Cardinals sacked, forced a fumble, and recovered the ball THREE TIMES. THREE DAMN TIMES. Everyone was called back, including one the Cardinals recovered in the endzone. Two, count them two tuck rules, and a "his hand was going forward" when Romo's hand wasn't even up near his ear to throw the ball. Add in a pooch kick that the Cardinals clearly recovered, that was, yeah you guessed it, OVER TURNED.

The Tuck Rule in the endzone was the worst(and IIRC Dockett was the one with the sack). Here's the play as I remember it:

Cowboys around the 5 yard line. Romo goes back to pass, we blitz, Dockett(?) goes in for the kill, Romo brings his hand down and turns his back to the sack, gets stripped, we recover for an apparent TD. Romo immediately gets up claiming tuck rule. Dallas challenges and officials confer and agree it's an incomplete pass. Here's the problem. Giving Romo the benefit of the doubt that his arm was in the motion of coming down pulling the ball back in(tucking), the issue I have is that when this happened, he was facing the back of the endzone when the ball came out so if anything it would be a backward pass which we recovered. Should have been a TD regardless but it was a typical Cowboy call. The real worst part of it was that a few plays later Dallas scores on a long TD pass.

 

[BigRedRage]

I only voted for DD. Boldin is one of my all time favorites but he left too soon to be in the ring. LArry Centers was what, 3 years of high production? not enough IMO. If he had a more competant team, ownership and etc he may have been much bigger. I loved him as a kid but he doesnt hold the same weight as a guy like dockett to me. Dansby, no chance IMO.

 

[Shane]

I only voted for DD. Boldin is one of my all time favorites but he left too soon to be in the ring. LArry Centers was what, 3 years of high production? not enough IMO. If he had a more competant team, ownership and etc he may have been much bigger. I loved him as a kid but he doesnt hold the same weight as a guy like dockett to me. Dansby, no chance IMO.

Boldin played here 7 years... Thats a long damn time bro. Long enough to hold basically every Cardinal receiving record had there not been a guy named Larry playing here.

 

[BigRedRage]

Boudin played here 7 years... Thats a long damn time bro. Long enough to hold basically every Cardinal receiving record had there not been a guy named Larry playing here.

True, i didnt realize it was that long. feels like 4.

He is still one of my all time favorite players either way.

 

[CardLogic]

That must have changed with AW, as much as I like him as a player, he has no chance of HOF

Adrian Wilson is one of only six players to have ever accumulated 25 sacks and 25 interceptions. That alone gets him in the HOF.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

I liked the argument someone made that the player needs to be 'franchise changing'. That's a really high standard to use. Warner fits that. And Wilson. And Fitz. But I think that's it if you use that standard. I think that would rule out Dockett and even Campbell. Great Pro Bowl players. But Ring of Honor is even higher than that. It's close to Hall of Fame level. Then I thought, wait a second, isn't Roger Wehrli in the Ring of Honor? I don't remember him being life altering. Then I looked it up and oh...

Charles W. Bidwill - Owner - 1933-1947 - Hall of Fame 1967
Ernie Nevers - Fullback - 1929-1931 - Hall of Fame 1963
Jimmy Conzelman - Coach - 1946-1948 - Hall of Fame 1964
John "Paddy" Driscoll - Quarterback - 1920-1925 - Hall of Fame 1965
Charley Trippi - Running Back - 1947-1955 - Hall of Fame 1965
Ollie Matson - Running Back - 1952, 1954-58 - Hall of Fame 1972
Dick "Night Train" Lane - Cornerback - 1954-1959 - Hall of Fame 1974
Marshall Goldberg - Running Back - 1939-1948 -
Dan Dierdorf - Tackle - 1971-1983 - Hall of Fame 1996
Pat Tillman - Safety - 1998-2001 -
Larry Wilson - Safety - 1960-1972 - Hall of Fame 1978
Roger Wehrli - Cornerback - 1969-1982 - Hall of Fame 2007
Aeneas Williams - Cornerback - 1991-2000 - Hall of Fame 2014
Kurt Warner - Quarterback - 2005-2009 -
Adrian Wilson - Safety - 2001-2012 -

http://www.azcardinals.com/history/ring-of-honor.html

So Wehrli was in the Hall of Fame, not to mention just about everybody on the list! Except for Tillman and the new guys and Marshall Goldberg, whoever that is. Looking at that list, it almost seems like Hall of Fame was their criteria all along.

While I understand the Anquan Boldin angst, I cannot think of another player that had more to do with changing this franchise than Anquan Boldin. His self-given nickname was stupid, "Q", his given nickname "The Big Bang" always fit him perfect, because it indeed, all started with him.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Adrian Wilson is one of only six players to have ever accumulated 25 sacks and 25 interceptions. That alone gets him in the HOF.

I don't know.

It think Adrian Wilson could make the "The Drew Bledsoe Room for the Very Good" but I do not know if he is H.O.F. material. Then again, the standard has dropped the last few years if you ask me. Andre Reed, Harry Carson, and Jerome Bettis have no business being in the HOF if you ask me.

 

[Reign Blood]

Larry Centers.

 

[Buckybird]

IMO DD doesn't deserve to be in the Cards ROH.

Is he the difference maker or as good a player as the the recent elections or upcoming guy like Fitz? I don't think so. IMO he's not even a dominant as Eric Swann was, whom IMO is the best Cards interior Dlineman in franchise history. Good player, but not great or dominate was was 9-0 was.

 

[Hollywood]

Dansby wasn't here long enough.

Doc would be in but I think he was a little bit to nutty to get in. He doesn't exactly fit with the Cardinals mantra of "Do it with class"

Q wasn't here long enough either

Larry is the only one on the list that I think would have a chance.



Has anyone mentioned Michael Bidwill yet? I know he is the owner but clearly he deserves to be in.

 

[Shane]

Dansby wasn't here long enough.

Doc would be in but I think he was a little bit to nutty to get in. He doesn't exactly fit with the Cardinals mantra of "Do it with class"

Q wasn't here long enough either

Larry is the only one on the list that I think would have a chance.



Has anyone mentioned Michael Bidwill yet? I know he is the owner but clearly he deserves to be in.

Not really the sure Boldin being here long enough holds any weight he was here 7 years and was dominant.. He also would be the Cards leading WR in history if not for a stud named Larry!

He set many many NFL records while here. Multiple probowler.. etc... etc.. 5 out of 7 years over 1000 yards and two seasons over 100 catches etc...

Then you add into that the fact there are many players in the ring of honor that played here MUCH shorter and it really doesn't hold any water...

Ernie Nevers Fullback 1929-1931 Hall of Fame 1963
Jimmy Conzelman Coach 1946-1948 Hall of Fame 1964
John "Paddy" Driscoll Quarterback 1920-1925 Hall of Fame 1965
Ollie Matson Running Back 1952, 1954-58 Hall of Fame 1972
Dick "Night Train" Lane Cornerback 1954-1959 Hall of Fame 1974
Pat Tillman Safety 1998-2001
Kurt Warner Quarterback 2005-2009

 

[Hollywood]

Not really the sure Boldin being here long enough holds any weight he was here 7 years and was dominant.. He also would be the Cards leading WR in history if not for a stud named Larry!

He set many many NFL records while here. Multiple probowler.. etc... etc.. 5 out of 7 years over 1000 yards and two seasons over 100 catches etc...

Then you add into that the fact there are many players in the ring of honor that played here MUCH shorter and it really doesn't hold any water...

Ernie Nevers Fullback 1929-1931 Hall of Fame 1963
Jimmy Conzelman Coach 1946-1948 Hall of Fame 1964
John "Paddy" Driscoll Quarterback 1920-1925 Hall of Fame 1965
Ollie Matson Running Back 1952, 1954-58 Hall of Fame 1972
Dick "Night Train" Lane Cornerback 1954-1959 Hall of Fame 1974
Pat Tillman Safety 1998-2001
Kurt Warner Quarterback 2005-2009

Fair enough...and dont get me wrong. I love Q. I heard someone on the radio describe him as the offensive version of Doc. I think that is a perfect description. But the way he left probably keeps him out.

This was sent from my cell pjone so please excise any typeos or other errors.

 

[NJCardFan]

I don't know.

It think Adrian Wilson could make the "The Drew Bledsoe Room for the Very Good" but I do not know if he is H.O.F. material. Then again, the standard has dropped the last few years if you ask me. Andre Reed, Harry Carson, and Jerome Bettis have no business being in the HOF if you ask me.

Some might say the same for Aeneas Williams.

 

[Shane]

Some might say the same for Aeneas Williams.

Your crazy... Greatest true CB of his era... Yes even better then Deion. Dude was nails and a true lockdown CB..

 

[sundevil04]

Adrian Wilson is one of only six players to have ever accumulated 25 sacks and 25 interceptions. That alone gets him in the HOF.

So in your eyes William Thomas is HOF worthy?